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PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 10 schols/year
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DexterMorgan
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
I definitely don't think that.
But I think the penalties are severe and minimize the harm to any other big ten university.
I definitely don't think that.
But I think the penalties are severe and minimize the harm to any other big ten university.
ColoradoHAWKEYE
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
Just released...includes forfiture of bowl revenue share and probation
hawkeyewx
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
Regarding the post-season ban... is it really that big of a deal to recruits if they know they won't be able to play in the Insight Bowl or the Texas Bowl? It's also unlikely Penn St was going to be in the Big Ten championship game in the next few years anyway.
Regarding the post-season ban... is it really that big of a deal to recruits if they know they won't be able to play in the Insight Bowl or the Texas Bowl? It's also unlikely Penn St was going to be in the Big Ten championship game in the next few years anyway.
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DexterMorgan
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
It would be to me.
It would be to me.
whammer33024
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
while "unlikely" as you say, still possible. now there's absolutely no chance. would you want to go somewhere taht you literally have no chance of playing in any sort of post season game?
while "unlikely" as you say, still possible. now there's absolutely no chance. would you want to go somewhere taht you literally have no chance of playing in any sort of post season game?
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Justin VanLaere
Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
Here's the full report from the NCAA:
Penn State conclusions - NCAA.com
Here's the full report from the NCAA:
Penn State conclusions - NCAA.com
atxhawk
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Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
SMU is private school of 7000 undergrads and 12000 total students, so it's a little bit smaller than UNI. PSU has far more resources and will be able to comeback far quicker than SMU was.
There is no reason Iowa can't get any of the recruits/current players that PSU has. We definitely have needs that can be filled by players looking to play right away. Curious if any of their RB will tempt AIRBHG and join us, because we all know we could use help there. The DL could also use some immediate help since the experience and depth is weak at that spot.
As for the punishment, I'm surprised the NCAA stepped in so quickly and with the terms they set. I'm more surprised that Penn State says they will accept the terms of their sanctions and abide by them. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their minds though and decide to appeal since it doesn't look like the NCAA has full authority to impose and enforce their punishment. The comments from the ex-chair of infractions are quite interesting about these sanctions and the NCAA's power.
SMU is private school of 7000 undergrads and 12000 total students, so it's a little bit smaller than UNI. PSU has far more resources and will be able to comeback far quicker than SMU was.
There is no reason Iowa can't get any of the recruits/current players that PSU has. We definitely have needs that can be filled by players looking to play right away. Curious if any of their RB will tempt AIRBHG and join us, because we all know we could use help there. The DL could also use some immediate help since the experience and depth is weak at that spot.
As for the punishment, I'm surprised the NCAA stepped in so quickly and with the terms they set. I'm more surprised that Penn State says they will accept the terms of their sanctions and abide by them. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their minds though and decide to appeal since it doesn't look like the NCAA has full authority to impose and enforce their punishment. The comments from the ex-chair of infractions are quite interesting about these sanctions and the NCAA's power.
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Justin VanLaere
Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
The NCAA explains why it took action. I don't think anyone can argue with this.
"The NCAA concludes that this evidence presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency. The sexual abuse of children on a university campus by a former university official - and even the active concealment of that abuse - while despicable, ordinarily would not be actionable by the NCAA. Yet, in this instance, it was the fear of or deference to the omnipotent football program that enabled a sexual predator to attract and abuse his victims. Indeed, the reverence for Penn State football permeated every level of the University community. That imbalance of power and its result are antithetical to the model of intercollegiate athletics embedded in higher education. Indeed, the culture exhibited at Penn State is an extraordinary affront to the values all members of the Association have pledged to
uphold and calls for extraordinary action."
The NCAA explains why it took action. I don't think anyone can argue with this.
"The NCAA concludes that this evidence presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency. The sexual abuse of children on a university campus by a former university official - and even the active concealment of that abuse - while despicable, ordinarily would not be actionable by the NCAA. Yet, in this instance, it was the fear of or deference to the omnipotent football program that enabled a sexual predator to attract and abuse his victims. Indeed, the reverence for Penn State football permeated every level of the University community. That imbalance of power and its result are antithetical to the model of intercollegiate athletics embedded in higher education. Indeed, the culture exhibited at Penn State is an extraordinary affront to the values all members of the Association have pledged to
uphold and calls for extraordinary action."
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Justin VanLaere
Punitive Component
• $60 million fine. The NCAA imposes a $60 million fine, equivalent to the
approximate average of one year's gross revenue from the Penn State football
program, to be paid over a five-year period beginning in 2012 into an endowment
for programs preventing child sexual abuse andlor assisting the victims of child
sexual abuse. The minimum annual payment will be $ 1 2 million until the $60
million is paid. The proceeds of this fine may not be used to fund programs at the
University. No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in
order to fund this fine.
• Four-year postseason ban. The NCAA imposes a four-year ban on participation
in postseason play in the SpOlt of football, beginning with the 2012-2013
academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2015-2016 academic year.
Therefore, the University's football team shall end its 2012 season and each
season through 2015 with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in-season
contest and shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason competition,
including a conference championship, any bowl game, or any post-season playoff
competition.
• Four-year reduction of grants-in-aid. For a period of four years commencing
with the 2013-2014 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2016-
2017 academic year, the NCAA imposes a limit of 15 initial grants-in-aid (from a
maximum of twenty-five allowed) and for a period of four years commencing
with the 2014-2015 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2017-
2018 academic year a limit of 65 total grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 85
allowed) for football during each of those specified years. In the event the
number of total grants-in-aid drops below 65, the University may award grants-inaid
to non-scholarship student-athletes who have been members of the football
program as allowed under Bylaw 15.5.6.3.6.
• Five years of probation. The NCAA imposes this period of probation, which
will include the appointment of an on-campus, independent Integrity Monitor and
periodic reporting as detailed in the COlTective Component of this Consent
Decree. Failure to comply with the Consent Decree during this probationary
period may result in additional, more severe sanctions.
• Vacation of wins since 1998. The NCAA vacates all wins of the Penn State
football team from 1998 to 2011. The career record of Coach "Joe" Paterno will
reflect the vacated records.
• Waiver of transfer rules and grant-in-aid retention. Any entering or returning
football student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and will be
eligible to immediately compete at the transfer institution, provided he is
otherwise eligible. Any football student-athlete who wants to remain at the
University may retain his athletic grant-in-aid, as long as he meets and maintains
applicable academic requirements, regardless of whether he competes on the
football team.
• Individual penalties to be determined. The NCAA reserves the right to initiate
a formal investigatory and disciplinary process and impose sanctions on
individuals after the conclusion of any criminal proceedings related to any
individual involved.
• $60 million fine. The NCAA imposes a $60 million fine, equivalent to the
approximate average of one year's gross revenue from the Penn State football
program, to be paid over a five-year period beginning in 2012 into an endowment
for programs preventing child sexual abuse andlor assisting the victims of child
sexual abuse. The minimum annual payment will be $ 1 2 million until the $60
million is paid. The proceeds of this fine may not be used to fund programs at the
University. No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in
order to fund this fine.
• Four-year postseason ban. The NCAA imposes a four-year ban on participation
in postseason play in the SpOlt of football, beginning with the 2012-2013
academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2015-2016 academic year.
Therefore, the University's football team shall end its 2012 season and each
season through 2015 with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in-season
contest and shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason competition,
including a conference championship, any bowl game, or any post-season playoff
competition.
• Four-year reduction of grants-in-aid. For a period of four years commencing
with the 2013-2014 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2016-
2017 academic year, the NCAA imposes a limit of 15 initial grants-in-aid (from a
maximum of twenty-five allowed) and for a period of four years commencing
with the 2014-2015 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2017-
2018 academic year a limit of 65 total grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 85
allowed) for football during each of those specified years. In the event the
number of total grants-in-aid drops below 65, the University may award grants-inaid
to non-scholarship student-athletes who have been members of the football
program as allowed under Bylaw 15.5.6.3.6.
• Five years of probation. The NCAA imposes this period of probation, which
will include the appointment of an on-campus, independent Integrity Monitor and
periodic reporting as detailed in the COlTective Component of this Consent
Decree. Failure to comply with the Consent Decree during this probationary
period may result in additional, more severe sanctions.
• Vacation of wins since 1998. The NCAA vacates all wins of the Penn State
football team from 1998 to 2011. The career record of Coach "Joe" Paterno will
reflect the vacated records.
• Waiver of transfer rules and grant-in-aid retention. Any entering or returning
football student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and will be
eligible to immediately compete at the transfer institution, provided he is
otherwise eligible. Any football student-athlete who wants to remain at the
University may retain his athletic grant-in-aid, as long as he meets and maintains
applicable academic requirements, regardless of whether he competes on the
football team.
• Individual penalties to be determined. The NCAA reserves the right to initiate
a formal investigatory and disciplinary process and impose sanctions on
individuals after the conclusion of any criminal proceedings related to any
individual involved.
Re: PSU Penalty :: $60 million :: 5 year bowl ban :: 20 schols/year
However, I was very pleased that the Big 10 designated PSU's $13 million share of bowl revenue for endowment to agencies and organizations active in child protective services and sexual abuse recovery.
People may disagree with the severity of the conference sanctions, but at least they got the focus right.
However, I was very pleased that the Big 10 designated PSU's $13 million share of bowl revenue for endowment to agencies and organizations active in child protective services and sexual abuse recovery.
People may disagree with the severity of the conference sanctions, but at least they got the focus right.
clicheusername3
Banned
"No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in
order to fund this fine."
It's sad they had to include this line because you just know what these scoundrels at PSU would have done if this wasn't clarified.
order to fund this fine."
It's sad they had to include this line because you just know what these scoundrels at PSU would have done if this wasn't clarified.
hawkeyewx
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How is it you know that's what they would have done? And considering the people currently running Penn St had nothing to do with the child abuse scandal, why are they scoundrels?
clicheusername3
Banned
I'm just reading not in-between the lines as apparently I'm not the only one that thinks this way. The wording wouldn't be present if it didn't need to be there.
There are still a lot of powerful people that most likely knew about this scandal on an ongoing basis that still can pull a lot of strings in Happy Valley. I don't think its unfair to think that any level of depravity is possible at PSU.
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Justin VanLaere
Penn State is limited to 65 total schollies. Even when the punishment is over, they won't get able to get back to 85 right away. They can only take 25 per year regardless (once their punishment is over). This scholarship situation will affect them for at least 5 years, maybe 6.
Completely unfair actually.
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Justin VanLaere
I think the ruling was fair.
Players aren't punished (they can leave freely).
If you took a coaching job at Penn State in the midst of all these allegations and didn't have an escape clause in your contract, it's your own damn fault.
Penn State Football is crippled enough to make a statement.
Players aren't punished (they can leave freely).
If you took a coaching job at Penn State in the midst of all these allegations and didn't have an escape clause in your contract, it's your own damn fault.
Penn State Football is crippled enough to make a statement.
clicheusername3
Banned
Go on......