Pat Ingram commits to Iowa

[BuiltLikeWilt]

Also had offer from Tenn.

 

[Wassabbe]

Perhaps you could teach Fran a thing or two about recruiting, especially in the area of analyzing one's potential. We could use your savvy.....

Wow you are an idiot of the highest form. First you throw Aaron White in as an example when he hasn't played a game and than you completely miss my point.

I think the kid has good potential and I'm sure Fran feels the same way otherwise he wouldn't have offered him. My point is that other schools are getting their guys that Fran would love but just can't get right now. It is what it is.

 

[Wassabbe]

Also had offer from Tenn.

No he didn't

 

[jacknicholson]

Wow you are an idiot of the highest form. First you throw Aaron White in as an example when he hasn't played a game and than you completely miss my point.

I think the kid has good potential and I'm sure Fran feels the same way otherwise he wouldn't have offered him. My point is that other schools are getting their guys that Fran would love but just can't get right now. It is what it is.

Now you are starting to sound like a spoiled little child. Keep it up, you are starting to entertain me.....

 

[MSGT1]

how else are u to judge his talent then? your own expert analysis of a 2 minute highlight tape?

you can look at the #'s instead. which are an unranked recruit, who isnt even the best player on his team, who averaged 10 ppg last year. that's just about as impressive as the offers list.

The not being the best player on his team and the 10 ppg can be explained by saying his teammates last year included a 4* PG and a 5* PG, add in two dominant big men and you'll understand why there was a lack of shots to be had. Basabe had a simlar situation in HS. Sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story.

 

[Benddontbreak]

there's a fine line between "we think this kid has potential" and settling because you cant do any better.

In case you haven't noticed, our coaching staff isn't afraid of recruiting guys with raw athleticism (Basabe, Cartwright, Ingram, Gesell, even Washpun) and focus on their player development, since they're good developmental coaches. (Unlike the ISU staff) Did you see Ingram THROWING down alley oops in that aau video? Can't teach s*** like that.

I HIGHLY doubt that Fran is "settling" at this point in the recruiting process, especially since he's about to reel in two 4*s in this class alone.

Shouldn't expect you to know anything about Ingram but just a little FYI his team won the 4A state title in Indiana last year as well. His high school team is loaded. Just remember, he's another piece to Fran's puzzle.

 

[burky247]

Everyone these days is a 3 star prospect it seems. I wouldn't use that as a factor

What are you talking about? There are tons of 2 star and unranked players in the database.
Probably won't make ya happy, but we've offered and are recruiting some of them.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

The not being the best player on his team and the 10 ppg can be explained by saying his teammates last year included a 4* PG and a 5* PG, add in two dominant big men and you'll understand why there was a lack of shots to be had. Basabe had a simlar situation in HS. Sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story.

Dead on!!! This wins the debate.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

Yes. Well as serious as one is when talking recruiting on a message board.
On ball defender in this case means the primary ball-handler.......mostly a PG. His size is the issue with guarding the 2 or sometimes the 3 if a team is playing 3 guard 'types'. Yes, I have seen him play. Or, I should say I was watching a game he played in while sitting with someone who was there evaluating as part of his profession. Perhaps even a second time but I'm not sure. He's raw, very, very raw in my opinion. By the time he has a couple years in the program he will be a contributor. You don't have to like anything I write, just giving my opinion.
I think that after the July evaluation period that the offer list really does say something about what level the kid should play at.

Thanks for the breakdown then. I for one think he's a nice piece to the puzzle. An athletic player in the backcourt, something Fran needs and something Iowa hasn't had in awhile.

 

[jacknicholson]

We should be thankful for the fact that Fran can see the hidden potential in recruits that have escaped the attention of other schools. It was not the easiest task to recruit anyone after three years of Lick and the mess he left behind. Fran is doing a remarkable job so far starting his second year. The players he has brought to the team are those he knows can play his uptempo style of game with relentless defense. He is filling the roster with the players he wants. I trust his judgement completely. His first two recruits have worked very well. If one knows what to look for, the ability and potential talent are apparent. Aaron White, for a three star recruit, has proven himself, in high school, being the leading scorer in a victory over the number one team in Ohio, rated in USA Today's top 25, and being the MVP in the Ohio/Kentucky all star game. Those who saw him in the PTL this summer praised him and he did make the winning shot in the title game. He mentioned that the experience he received playing in the PTL gave him even more confidence to play for the Hawks. He has very nice, deceptively quick moves around the basket. He is going to be a very good player for the Hawks. There are a few teams that will regret not recruiting him. I am pleased to have him on the team, same as Pat Ingram, who will add even more quickness and athleticism to the team. Of course this is only my opinion. We shall see. So far Fran is doing very well recruiting for this year and the next, and just think, he isn't finished yet.

 

[vigorousKnit]

In case you haven't noticed, our coaching staff isn't afraid of recruiting guys with raw athleticism (Basabe, Cartwright, Ingram, Gesell, even Washpun) and focus on their player development, since they're good developmental coaches. (Unlike the ISU staff) Did you see Ingram THROWING down alley oops in that aau video? Can't teach s*** like that.

I HIGHLY doubt that Fran is "settling" at this point in the recruiting process, especially since he's about to reel in two 4*s in this class alone.

Shouldn't expect you to know anything about Ingram but just a little FYI his team won the 4A state title in Indiana last year as well. His high school team is loaded. Just remember, he's another piece to Fran's puzzle.

so you list 3 players who haven't played a second of D1 ball yet as examples as to how fran and his coaching staff are great at player development? interesting

and how can u say that ISU's coaches cant develop talent? because they have brought in transfers? if that's your rationale then you're an idiot. lets look at some numbers here:

Diante Garrett's best year under McD - ppg 9.8 reb 3.3 asst 5
DG under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 17.3 reb 3.1 asst 6.1

Scott Christopherson's best year under McD - ppg 7.9 reb 2 asst 1.2
SC under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 13.7 reb 3.1 asst 2.5

Jaime Vanderbeken's best year under McD - ppg 5.5 reb 3 asst .6
JVB under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 11.1 reb 5.5 asst 1.1

yea, this ISU staff sure sucks at player development... I think you need to get your facts straight before you open your mouth


btw, john lickliter also won a 4A state title. so take that for what it's worth


and good luck with those 4 stars you're so convinced Iowa is landing. I mean coming off a 20 loss season and a program surrounded with apathy. who wouldn't want to play there?

 

[jacknicholson]

Thanks for the info on the clowns......

 

[originalityhawk]

and good luck with those 4 stars you're so convinced Iowa is landing. I mean coming off a 20 loss season and a program surrounded with apathy. who wouldn't want to play there?

******.

 

[Tmoney12]

So we shouldn't base Frans recruiting on the only two players he brought in last year... makes sense.

 

[hawkIhoops]

It's pointless to debate Cyclown fans. They are like Liberals-- always right, while you are always wrong. ISU has the best stadiums, coaches, fans, popcorn and on and on and on. Nevermind that for Iowa football last year was seen as a disappointment, yet we won a bowl game beating a big 12 team that Clown fans said would destroy us. As far as hoops, both teams sucked and finished at the bottom of their respective conferences. Without Christopherson playing the game of his life we beat them handily without Payne and with an injured Gatens (or did he miss that game?).

 

[jacknicholson]

It's pointless to debate Cyclown fans. They are like Liberals-- always right, while you are always wrong. ISU has the best stadiums, coaches, fans, popcorn and on and on and on. Nevermind that for Iowa football last year was seen as a disappointment, yet we won a bowl game beating a big 12 team that Clown fans said would destroy us. As far as hoops, both teams sucked and finished at the bottom of their respective conferences. Without Christopherson playing the game of his life we beat them handily without Payne and with an injured Gatens (or did he miss that game?).

Somewhat irritating little pests, HawkIhoops, and not really worthy of a reply. You are correct.....

 

[tm3308]

It's pointless to debate Cyclown fans. They are like Liberals-- always right, while you are always wrong. ISU has the best stadiums, coaches, fans, popcorn and on and on and on. Nevermind that for Iowa football last year was seen as a disappointment, yet we won a bowl game beating a big 12 team that Clown fans said would destroy us. As far as hoops, both teams sucked and finished at the bottom of their respective conferences. Without Christopherson playing the game of his life we beat them handily without Payne and with an injured Gatens (or did he miss that game?).

I don't disagree with the general gist of your post, but let's leave the politics out of it. It's not like conservatives are any less 'convinced' of themselves than liberals (FTR, I'm a moderate). Your opinion is influenced by which end of the spectrum that you call home.

 

[burky247]

What's funny is I heard the same thing when Meyer committed earlier in the year. He didn't have enough offers and he would never make it in the Big Ten. Now those same people are changing their tune because it turns out the kid can play ball.

 

[Benddontbreak]

so you list 3 players who haven't played a second of D1 ball yet as examples as to how fran and his coaching staff are great at player development? interesting

and how can u say that ISU's coaches cant develop talent? because they have brought in transfers? if that's your rationale then you're an idiot. lets look at some numbers here:

Diante Garrett's best year under McD - ppg 9.8 reb 3.3 asst 5
DG under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 17.3 reb 3.1 asst 6.1

Scott Christopherson's best year under McD - ppg 7.9 reb 2 asst 1.2
SC under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 13.7 reb 3.1 asst 2.5

Jaime Vanderbeken's best year under McD - ppg 5.5 reb 3 asst .6
JVB under 1 year with current coaching staff - ppg 11.1 reb 5.5 asst 1.1

yea, this ISU staff sure sucks at player development... I think you need to get your facts straight before you open your mouth


btw, john lickliter also won a 4A state title. so take that for what it's worth


and good luck with those 4 stars you're so convinced Iowa is landing. I mean coming off a 20 loss season and a program surrounded with apathy. who wouldn't want to play there?

I was trying to provide insight into the the type of players that Fran recruits, since your obviously pretty removed from the situation. I never brought up those guys' college production, but if I did, I'd inform you that one was invited to olympic tryouts while the other led the league in assists. Neither of them highly recruited. Other examples of Fran's ability to develop players - Brommer going from tripping over his own feet to becoming an offensive threat, Cole's jumper, Marble's midrange & ability to finish, the list goes on.

Those stats mean jack s*** man, no offense. You lost your top 3 scorers from the previous year including a 1st rounder, what do you expect to happen to returning players' ppg?

Freddie sure doesn't seem to have a lot of confidence in his player development if he's taking high risks on players pre-developed by other coaches.

Comparing Lil Lick with Pat Ingram? Wow....

Mike Gesell, whom your boards were drooling over signed with us. Also you heard of Adam Woodbury? He's pretty good too.... Aaaaaaand apparently were the team to beat for his services.

 

[jacknicholson]

What's funny is I heard the same thing when Meyer committed earlier in the year. He didn't have enough offers and he would never make it in the Big Ten. Now those same people are changing their tune because it turns out the kid can play ball.

Exactly, Burky, Fran has a very nice talent that few have, in the long run, it should help with recruiting when supposedly mediocre players excel under Fran's guidance, something missing during the Alford and Lickliter years. Fran does have experience with taming savage beasts after all....