I disagree - historically ISU doesn't make a bowl if they lose to Iowa. I think it's happened once. IMO that's why ISU stands to gain by not playing Iowa, because essentially every bottom feeder in the Big 12 that has ever risen from the bottom has played as many cupcakes as possible to get as many wins as possible. (KSU, KU under Mangino, BU).
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I disagree - historically ISU doesn't make a bowl if they lose to Iowa. I think it's happened once. IMO that's why ISU stands to gain by not playing Iowa, because essentially every bottom feeder in the Big 12 that has ever risen from the bottom has played as many cupcakes as possible to get as many wins as possible. (KSU, KU under Mangino, BU).
hawkdrummer1
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Do your homework. Iowa had wanted to name it "Kinnick Stadium" for years. Kinnick's Father asked them not to... as he didn't want Nile's death to seem more important than any other young man who was lost in service. Years later, after Gus Schrader renewed the idea... Nile Sr finally agreed as he felt enough time had passed and he gave the University his blessing. They then made the name change in 1972.
I'd suggest that's pretty meaningful.
It may appear that way but the shoulder stripe style at the time was just a Nike standard. Ol' Miss has the same style. The colors were the Nike standard. ISU doesn't really get a whole lot of custom Nike stuff, they have to take what they get generally as they were moving away from the McDonald's colors.
Naming a stadium after a former player or coach isn't exactly the most original thing for either school to do.
ArvadaHawk
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I don't think they have to worry about the rocks in their hand being too bid. Now, too small? that's a completely different story.
I like how Williams says there are only 12 games so Iowa should be able to get up for each one. But ISU can't even come close to replicating how much they get up for Iowa in their other 11 games.
I personally think it's pretty dumb to play a team as bad as ISU every year. But I think it's incredibly dumb to play a team who's as bad as ISU that happens to play like Alabama the one week they play you.
MelroseHawkins
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Are you freaking kidding, really!? I disagree. Iowa State regularly doesn't have enough wins to qualify for a bowl game or a high-profile bowl (1-1 and after), so, it's not the Iowa game by itself that kills them. You can't say IA State would have been 5-7 instead of 4-8 if they just wouldn't have lost to Iowa. Nobody cares and still sides on the side of irrelevancy. They are just a crappy team in general. The Iowa games doesn't really have an effect on them or getting turned down by the Foster Farms bowl on Dec. 28th.
I guess if you are just trying to rack up shitty wins in general than you win the argument.
If Iowa has an outstanding year such as in 2002 or 2015, than an Iowa State non-conference loss can have an impact on their high profile bowl or if they would get into the playoffs or not. If they would have taken a loss in 2015, they wouldn't have even been in the discussion to be in the playoffs. Hell, they were on the fringes of a discussion anyway when beating Iowa State that year as the Iowa St game didn't help Iowa's SOS. The game doesn't do anything for Iowa's SOS or RPI or whatever they measure in football. So, just playing IA state most years (typically in the past) can hinder Iowa, win or lose. There is nothing to gain for Iowa unless Iowa State ends up having a solid year which I would say is 7+ wins.
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If they ever do get to 7 wins, they would almost certainly need an Iowa win to do it. We need to play a team that can get 7 or 8 wins and plays us like a 7 or 8 win team would. Instead we play a 3 or 4 win team that plays us like an 8 or 9 win team would.
SteveGarvey1
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The point is, Iowa made a splash after naming the stadium after their Heisman Trophy winner, then ISU apparently tried to make a splash shortly after it.
But, hey, it's OK. When my big brother did something noteworthy I'd try and get attention and do something noteworthy too. It happens.
trj
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He is actually right about that. You play one FCS squad and 2 bottom feeders at home. I am amazed that they are still doing the home and home with MAC schools. A week after the Iowa game they have to play at Akron. Eff that, buy that game out and have Louisana -monroe come to town do some cheesy promo(which ISU is good at) and get 45,000 in the stands.
To whom is this so apparent? Iowa State's previous stadium was named after a prominent figure in the program history and when they built a new one, they used the name of another prominent figure.
It seems like you guys are just desperate to make it about you.
Thank you for proving my point.
judzeehawk
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BryceC would you explain how you get a bird as a mascot from a cyclone?
MelroseHawkins
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He's right about what? I think we are talking about two separate things. He's talking about playing as many shitty teams as State can to qualify for a bowl game (6 wins). I'm talking about playing quality caliber teams to be beneficial as far as SOS at the end of the season.
I don't think we are on the same page.
judzeehawk
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Clowns don't care about bowl games. They just play the game to beat the Hawks. They don't want no stinken bowl game.
The argument made above is that ISU did it to copy Iowa, which ignores that ISU's facilities have been named after members of the program since the 30's. My point was that claiming ISU did it to copy Iowa is quite a stretch, at the very best. It's "much more likely" that neither program gives a damn what the other one names their stadium.
That's simply untrue. James Edwards, a newspaper reporter in the 1830's proposed 'Hawk Eyes" as a nickname for Iowans after the Black Hawk War in 1832. The university simply borrowed (some certain people might call this 'copied'?) the nickname from the state of Iowa. The term had nothing at all to do with Herky or birds as a mascot in general. That association came much later, after the creation of Herky.
Again, the claim above was simply that ISU 'copied' it's uniform from another program, ignoring the blatant hypocrisy that there is absolutely nothing at all original about Iowa's uniforms, save the logo.
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The cardinal was chosen because depicting a tornado as a mascot was conceptually somewhere between difficult and impossible, and Iowa State's school colors naturally lent themselves to the cardinal.
I might also mention:
Weather patterns as mascots are difficult.
trj
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I am okay with the schedule just because KF teams don't usually hit their stride until October. This Iowa team needs this type of schedule. The KF era is coming to an end soon so that might change with Brian or whoever ends up being the next HC......until then, I do not need to see 7 or 8 win teams in the non-conference.
This is totally true. I think the directional Michigan schools are usually better and tougher competition than ISU.
AdamHawk
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Did the word 'hawk' mean something different in the 1830's than it does now? I wasn't around then but I thought it has been the name of a bird since forever.
