HawkGold
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I imagine she did. Didn't she have some serious injury out of this.
I do wonder about his background (crime area/gangs). You mess with someone with PTSD and you could get a rather strong response.
Not A Good Look for Bob Stoops, OU
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I imagine she did. Didn't she have some serious injury out of this.
I do wonder about his background (crime area/gangs). You mess with someone with PTSD and you could get a rather strong response.
MelroseHawkins
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C'mon lady, if you're goung to mouth off and/or push people, you better get a better chin!
Learn the game.
Learn the game.
blubberhawk
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No..You grab her and kiss her! Just like in the movies. And pretty soon she is squirming and making all kinds of funny noises. How many times did you see a woman slap Clint Eastwood or John Wayne and in the next moment, they are lip locked?
blubberhawk
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This kid was big and strong. He is very lucky he did not kill her. Really surprised at your mild reaction, Grandpa.
GrandpaHawk
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I said in my first post that I don't condone this,yes he should of walked away after she pushed and hit him.Dont think we have to crucify the kid for something that happened 2yrs ago,first offense,payed his dues thru the courts regardless if you agree with it.Dont have a problem giving him a second chance as long as he's learned from it.
proudhawkfan21
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Now picture ANYONE doing this to YOUR daughter or wife. Same thoughts?
blubberhawk
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Do not think he should be crucified. Jail would be more appropriate. Anyone who unloads on a woman like he did should have been locked up.
GrandpaHawk
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This has already been asked and answered.
Bordone
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This thread is a fine example of people confusing morality and legality, something that is going on on both sides of the aisle in this country. Imagine the world we'd live in if people spent as much time trying to live up to their own moral code as they do trying to impose their own morality on other people.
There was an article that came out today that said both sides used hate speech which escalated this incident. But from a legal standpoint I don't think this matters, I also believe that he was charged with assault not because he used force but because he used excessive force as she initiated unwanted physical contact, this wasn't a domestic violence issue and from a legal standpoint gender SHOULD NOT matter.
these are two immature people being immature both end up paying for it. If he wasn't a football player this video would be on world star not in the media. And it is super amusing to listen to people on a message board that from my observation generally swing to the right who like to comment that the "sjw's" and "pc police" are getting out of hand telling people how to act, are completely OK doing it themselves.
My parents taught me that physical violence against anyone was abhorrent but it wasn't gender specific. I also don't really understand the comments about it not being ok to hit a woman with a closed fist to the face(so rib shots are ok?, maybe just a slap across the mouth when they get out of line?). It's also good to know some people like to impose family into arguments(why would someones opinion about violence against a woman change based on their relation to them unless they were some sort of sociopath).
We are all human beings, none of us are perfect, what good does vilifying some kid on a message board for 2 minutes of stupidity that happened two years ago do?
There was an article that came out today that said both sides used hate speech which escalated this incident. But from a legal standpoint I don't think this matters, I also believe that he was charged with assault not because he used force but because he used excessive force as she initiated unwanted physical contact, this wasn't a domestic violence issue and from a legal standpoint gender SHOULD NOT matter.
these are two immature people being immature both end up paying for it. If he wasn't a football player this video would be on world star not in the media. And it is super amusing to listen to people on a message board that from my observation generally swing to the right who like to comment that the "sjw's" and "pc police" are getting out of hand telling people how to act, are completely OK doing it themselves.
My parents taught me that physical violence against anyone was abhorrent but it wasn't gender specific. I also don't really understand the comments about it not being ok to hit a woman with a closed fist to the face(so rib shots are ok?, maybe just a slap across the mouth when they get out of line?). It's also good to know some people like to impose family into arguments(why would someones opinion about violence against a woman change based on their relation to them unless they were some sort of sociopath).
We are all human beings, none of us are perfect, what good does vilifying some kid on a message board for 2 minutes of stupidity that happened two years ago do?
HawkeyeWalker
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another hot button issue tackled on HN. Interesting to see the different viewpoints.
A few thoughts:
1) don't care how long ago this was, once the proof was there he should have been kicked off the team, he can then take steps to transfer to another school or maybe even rejoin the team after treatment and/or punishment, but he shouldnt have the privilege of being a scholarship athlete after this came to light(whenever that was)
2) While she wasn't smart in slapping him, the "she started it" defense really doesn't fly. He may have immediately regretted his reaction, doesn't matter, he should be charged with assault, or more if she happens to hit her head wrong on the table, etc.... Doesn't really matter what words were said prior to her slapping him, the fact this was his response....c'mon.
I had my moments of "shaky moral compass" in college, and Lord knows I am glad camera phones didn't exist....but illegal is illegal, assault is assualt, and when you do the crime (and it's on video), you should be punished, and then, maybe, given an opportunity to redeem yourself.
Regardless, if Stoops, or any administration knew about this and basically did nothing....they should be held accountable. And yes, i'd feel the same if it were Iowa.
My immediate reaction to the video....if that's my daughter (1: i'd tell here she's an idiot for pushing/slapping anyone without thinking they could retaliate, don't be an idiot) (2: while I would like to take physical retribution on the coward punk who punched my daughter, not sure I could, but I would definitely want him punished, severely). No scholly, no football, criminal and civil charges....you can have your 2nd chance after a year or two, but sorry about dem pro prospects though....bruh.
A few thoughts:
1) don't care how long ago this was, once the proof was there he should have been kicked off the team, he can then take steps to transfer to another school or maybe even rejoin the team after treatment and/or punishment, but he shouldnt have the privilege of being a scholarship athlete after this came to light(whenever that was)
2) While she wasn't smart in slapping him, the "she started it" defense really doesn't fly. He may have immediately regretted his reaction, doesn't matter, he should be charged with assault, or more if she happens to hit her head wrong on the table, etc.... Doesn't really matter what words were said prior to her slapping him, the fact this was his response....c'mon.
I had my moments of "shaky moral compass" in college, and Lord knows I am glad camera phones didn't exist....but illegal is illegal, assault is assualt, and when you do the crime (and it's on video), you should be punished, and then, maybe, given an opportunity to redeem yourself.
Regardless, if Stoops, or any administration knew about this and basically did nothing....they should be held accountable. And yes, i'd feel the same if it were Iowa.
My immediate reaction to the video....if that's my daughter (1: i'd tell here she's an idiot for pushing/slapping anyone without thinking they could retaliate, don't be an idiot) (2: while I would like to take physical retribution on the coward punk who punched my daughter, not sure I could, but I would definitely want him punished, severely). No scholly, no football, criminal and civil charges....you can have your 2nd chance after a year or two, but sorry about dem pro prospects though....bruh.
HawkGold
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[QUOTE="...if that's my daughter (1: i'd tell here she's an idiot for pushing/slapping anyone without thinking they could retaliate, don't be an idiot) [/QUOTE]
The guy was for sure wrong. One thing not discussed and what my reaction would be to one of my daughters...
"What the hell were you thinking being in that situation dressed like that! What did you expect to gain" would be a fair question.
Doesn't make what he did right, but a dad also needs to step up.
The guy was for sure wrong. One thing not discussed and what my reaction would be to one of my daughters...
"What the hell were you thinking being in that situation dressed like that! What did you expect to gain" would be a fair question.
Doesn't make what he did right, but a dad also needs to step up.
hawkeyebob62
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Hold on, there, sport.
I neither CONDONE the action nor the idea it "might" have been hushed up.
What I CONDEMN is the idea of level of "punishment" when most of us have too few facts. We simply don't know enough, although we seem to get a little more info with each passing day. Until then, I can't advocate the idea some spouted that he should have been gone from the team. In retrospect, maybe, but as I originally said, to dismiss him and then "walk it back" isn't always possible.
hawkeyebob62
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The guy was for sure wrong. One thing not discussed and what my reaction would be to one of my daughters...
"What the hell were you thinking being in that situation dressed like that! What did you expect to gain" would be a fair question.
Doesn't make what he did right, but a dad also needs to step up.[/QUOTE]
Or, as Chris Rock once said..."If your daughter's workin' the pole...ya fucked up"
DP5555
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Hmm I'm sorry but I can't understand how a couple of you have the "Let's not crucify a kid for something he did two years ago" approach. Really? Take a look at this link:
https://www.google.com/search?q=man...2.69i57j0l5.5108j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
That's a google search for "man dies from punch to face". It happens. It happens all the time. The very first link on that page is an incident that happened in Des Moines recently. In other words, this ONE mistake that this kid made two years ago could have killed this girl. He's damn lucky he didn't. If that happens then does that change how you feel about it? Of course it does. He broke 5 bones in her damn face. If you are capable of doing something like that to a girl, whether she was acting like an idiot or not, you don't deserve to be playing on a D1 football team. You revoked that right as far as I'm concerned. But no he'll probably go on to make millions and he won't learn his lesson from all of this because that's typically how things like this work out.
Or... we could take a look at a guy like Aaron Hernandez. When he was at Florida he was involved in a fight at a restaurant that resulted in... nothing! The police recommended a felony battery charge, but magically the case was not pursued. Imagine that. Hmmm we all know how that one turned out. But no let's keep giving kids like this multiple chances because it was two years ago and he just made a mistake.
https://www.google.com/search?q=man...2.69i57j0l5.5108j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
That's a google search for "man dies from punch to face". It happens. It happens all the time. The very first link on that page is an incident that happened in Des Moines recently. In other words, this ONE mistake that this kid made two years ago could have killed this girl. He's damn lucky he didn't. If that happens then does that change how you feel about it? Of course it does. He broke 5 bones in her damn face. If you are capable of doing something like that to a girl, whether she was acting like an idiot or not, you don't deserve to be playing on a D1 football team. You revoked that right as far as I'm concerned. But no he'll probably go on to make millions and he won't learn his lesson from all of this because that's typically how things like this work out.
Or... we could take a look at a guy like Aaron Hernandez. When he was at Florida he was involved in a fight at a restaurant that resulted in... nothing! The police recommended a felony battery charge, but magically the case was not pursued. Imagine that. Hmmm we all know how that one turned out. But no let's keep giving kids like this multiple chances because it was two years ago and he just made a mistake.
hawkeyebob62
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One key element in your post: two years ago.
You can't kick him off now. Supposedly, he HAS cleaned up his act, but as I said earlier, MANDATORY counseling for quite a while. Otherwise, it WILL escalate if he faces no consequences.
DP5555
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I realize that. The mistake was made two years ago. He should have been dropped instantly. The fact he wasn't is disturbing. Not surprising, but disturbing.
When stuff like this comes out it is a very good reminder Iowa has a coach who doesn't go along with crap like this. This guy would have never seen the light of day again at Iowa had he been a player here. And I don't want a coach that allows stuff like this just to win.
Bordone
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Not sure why you quoted my wall of text as it was not directed towards you nor is it saying anywhere that I feel he should of been disciplined further. I was only trying to point out that the video shows nothing to me to merit any more action other than what's already happened. From a legal standpoint his punishment fit the crime. I think a suspension and community service is fine and I don't think he needs to be kicked off the team nor do I think the ad or coaches should be punished.
If the idiot that shoved and slapped him was a drunk black male the morality police wouldn't be all up in a lather about this. And if he wasn't a college football player no one on this forum would of even seen the video. This wasn't about a premeditated act is was about two young people who in a split second lacked the self control the situation called for and paid the price for it. (both of them)
IowaHOCKS23
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Um, I'll say I really hate the "boohoo I'm black and police hate me" card but... a black man calling police because a woman hit him probably won't end well. I say never hit a woman but if she strikes at you first, she's no longer granted that status. Instead, she becomes a danger to you and sex becomes irrelevant.
