Lets say it is Phil Parker who takes over. If he is worth his salt, he will want a shot at a head coaching position if he has success. My point is just because KF wants continuity does not mean he will be able to have it unless the new DC is unattractive for openings as they come available.
Norm Parker and the Future
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cibula11
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How do YOU know that Phil Parker wants to be a head coach. Some guys don't want head positions and are content in a supportive roll. You can't tell a guy that he has to pass up other opportunities to remain at Iowa, but at the same time, Kirk can make it clear on his intent.
HawkeyeShane
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Why does he have to want to be a head coach, to be "worth his salt"?
He doesn't have to want to be a Head Coach to be worth his salt. However, if he is worth his salt why wouldn't he want to be a HC?
More power to him if he is content being a DC for ferentz and living in IC. Great reasons! However, wouldn't the opportunity to create multi-generational wealth for your family, having your own program, setting higher goals for yourself also be good reasons to take a head coaching position if you were worth your salt?
More power to him if he is content being a DC for ferentz and living in IC. Great reasons! However, wouldn't the opportunity to create multi-generational wealth for your family, having your own program, setting higher goals for yourself also be good reasons to take a head coaching position if you were worth your salt?
SeattleHawkeye
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This is exactly what I thought, including making the assumption that LeVar Woods or Chigosi Ejiasi be on the staff as some sort of defensive coach. Woods has been coaching w/ Norm out (there are NCAA limitations re the # of coaches a team can have). The questions I have are what role Woods or Ejiasi would occupy, and how Darrell Wilson would react to not being the DC. Wilson's been a long-time assistant and it's been mentioned he wants the DC position, and hopefully he'd take Parker getting promoted well. I think the potential coaches have been ID'd (Ejiasi and Woods), it's just that the roles haven't been defined.
Also, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Norm comes back next year. I have about 35 more years of work before retirement, so I know little about it, but what would Norm do if he retires? He doesn't come across as the traveling type, so I genuinely wonder what he'd be doing if he wasn't coaching. Coaching is what he knows and loves, and I've heard many times being around the younger players and seeing them develop is something the coaches get just as much from as the players, and I think Norm will be involved as long as he wants.
tm3308
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This response doesn't clear anything up. He doesn't have to want to be a HC to be worth his salt, but then why wouldn't he want to be if he's worth his salt? That's the same message with the words jumbled around: you can't be a good DC without wanting to be a HC. Best go tell Norm he's not worth his salt then.
HawkeyeShane
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I'm just saying that being a head coach doesn't have to be someone's end game or driving force of their career if they're happy with what they're doing.
HawkeyeShane
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He's too smart to take that job!
I agree with you completely on this statement. But the fact that someone will be stepping out of whatever position they are currently in to take the job suggests they are wanting for something different. Maybe KF will get what he wants, which is for someone who wants to be in that role for a long time. I'm betting whoever takes that job will have aspirations to be a HC somewhere. We can agree to disagree.
hawkeyemark
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I think Phil Parker becomes the successor and maybe Wilson moves on at that point if he has bigger aspirations. Some posters have mentioned a ten year time frame. In ten or fifteen years Kirk may move on and Parker would have a shot at this head coaching job if he felt so inclined. I don't think Kirk will over-extend his stay here like Hayden did, especially if he would happen to win a national championship along the way in the next few seasons. I could even see Kirk spending a few seasons in the NFL once he reaches the point where he has accomplished everything he wants to. Kirk loves Iowa but I don't think he wants to follow the path of Joe Paterno and as much as I like him, I don't want that either.
If some of the posters are correct that KF wants a DC who intends to be around for a while, then Wilson will most definitely not be selected DC. If Phil wants to be DC and tells KF he is not going anywhere, then he will most definitely get it.
Lets hope Norm comes back and it is a non-issue.
Lets hope Norm comes back and it is a non-issue.
Thawki
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For ankle23.
Why is it a slap in the face to our current staff to suggest that a former head coach and great defensive mind might be a better option than those on the current staff. It is hardly dismissive of the current staff. In fact, I would submit there is only one person, Phil Parker, on the current staff deserving of a shot. And just because he is deserving of a shot doesn't make him the best choice.
By the way, McCarney was formerly on the staff, just not KF's staff and he is a former Iowa player. I am not saying he is the best choice either. I'm just pointing out a few things.
And nothing against Wilson, but why do people think he is such a great choice as a potential future defensive coordinator? Look, he may be doing a good job at Iowa and he might recruit well. But he was let go from his position at Wisconsin.
Look at most of these guys that are great in the coordinator role. How many have ever been let go from a job they held by the coach that hired them when said coach's job was not on the line and they needed a scapegoat? Alvarez didn't need to sacrifice anyone when he let Wilson go. But he WAS let go. That doesn't mean he can't come to Iowa and be a solid coach. But is he a solid to great defensive coordinator candidate? I am just saying he doesn't fit the profile in a few ways of guys that have been great ones.
Again, I have nothing against Wilson. I am just pointing out a few things. And he is the coach responsible for kickoff and punt coverages, if I am not mistaken. Those are our worst units right now.
Why is it a slap in the face to our current staff to suggest that a former head coach and great defensive mind might be a better option than those on the current staff. It is hardly dismissive of the current staff. In fact, I would submit there is only one person, Phil Parker, on the current staff deserving of a shot. And just because he is deserving of a shot doesn't make him the best choice.
By the way, McCarney was formerly on the staff, just not KF's staff and he is a former Iowa player. I am not saying he is the best choice either. I'm just pointing out a few things.
And nothing against Wilson, but why do people think he is such a great choice as a potential future defensive coordinator? Look, he may be doing a good job at Iowa and he might recruit well. But he was let go from his position at Wisconsin.
Look at most of these guys that are great in the coordinator role. How many have ever been let go from a job they held by the coach that hired them when said coach's job was not on the line and they needed a scapegoat? Alvarez didn't need to sacrifice anyone when he let Wilson go. But he WAS let go. That doesn't mean he can't come to Iowa and be a solid coach. But is he a solid to great defensive coordinator candidate? I am just saying he doesn't fit the profile in a few ways of guys that have been great ones.
Again, I have nothing against Wilson. I am just pointing out a few things. And he is the coach responsible for kickoff and punt coverages, if I am not mistaken. Those are our worst units right now.
this is false.
Re: For ankle23.
You can spin it anyway you want, Kirk is not going to go outside on this one. It should really not be a shock at all.
You can spin it anyway you want, Kirk is not going to go outside on this one. It should really not be a shock at all.
To some people this may be a shock, but for many people there are more important things in life than being filthy stinking rich and being the top dog. Of course, money and power have their appeal, which I am not immune to, but for all of that money and power head coaches have to put up with a lot of negative stuff.
Personally, I don't think I could put a price on my anonymity. We take for granted the simple pleasure of going out in public and not being recognized by anyone.
I could not stand having to deal with the media. I personally hate being in the spotlight.
Everything a HC does that we are able to be aware of is put under the microscope. 3.5 million dollars a year comes with as much scrutiny as it does buying power.
The salaries that assistants earn don't seem like much compared to head coaches, but if you compare them with the average Joe out there, they do quite well, especially at the BCS conference schools. $50-75-100K+ and you don't have to put up with the BS that the HC does? Sign me up! Doesn't the top assistant at Texas make close to $1 million? What do Norm an KOK make? Sounds like a good deal to me, and you can take your wife and kids out to dinner and not get hastled for autographs. Works for me!
I absolutely do not think less of any coach who is happy with being where he is at. If you are good at something and you enjoy it and it provides well for your family, why not stick with it??? Not everybody has to buy in to the rat race mentality that you always have to keep pushing and competing and climbing and building and clawing. If you've found the place that right for you, declare victory and enjoy it for as long as you can!
Personally, I don't think I could put a price on my anonymity. We take for granted the simple pleasure of going out in public and not being recognized by anyone.
I could not stand having to deal with the media. I personally hate being in the spotlight.
Everything a HC does that we are able to be aware of is put under the microscope. 3.5 million dollars a year comes with as much scrutiny as it does buying power.
The salaries that assistants earn don't seem like much compared to head coaches, but if you compare them with the average Joe out there, they do quite well, especially at the BCS conference schools. $50-75-100K+ and you don't have to put up with the BS that the HC does? Sign me up! Doesn't the top assistant at Texas make close to $1 million? What do Norm an KOK make? Sounds like a good deal to me, and you can take your wife and kids out to dinner and not get hastled for autographs. Works for me!
I absolutely do not think less of any coach who is happy with being where he is at. If you are good at something and you enjoy it and it provides well for your family, why not stick with it??? Not everybody has to buy in to the rat race mentality that you always have to keep pushing and competing and climbing and building and clawing. If you've found the place that right for you, declare victory and enjoy it for as long as you can!
I'll state it again. KF will not go outside the "family" when and if he replaces Norm. Loyalty, continuity, simplicity, conservatism. That's KF's philosophy in a nutshell.
If Norm retires, Parker, Wilson or Aiken could step in in a moment's notice and barely a ripple would be felt within the defense.
I honestly don't think KF considers McCarney part of the "family." Sure, he is a friend and colleage and a former Hawk, but DM never coached under KF. He only coached AGAINST KF. McCarney would want to bring too much of his own ideas and philosophies.
If Norm retires, Parker, Wilson or Aiken could step in in a moment's notice and barely a ripple would be felt within the defense.
I honestly don't think KF considers McCarney part of the "family." Sure, he is a friend and colleage and a former Hawk, but DM never coached under KF. He only coached AGAINST KF. McCarney would want to bring too much of his own ideas and philosophies.
thejumper5
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I highly doubt that: A)KF would seek either of these guys since they aren't currently at Iowa. B)Either one would take the job. However, a couple former Iowa players that I would love to see "come home" to be the DC at Iowa would be Bobby Diaco or Mark Stoops. If Iowa could convince a coach to leave Notre Dame or FSU for the same position at Iowa, it would look very impressive on the national stage. Plus, they are both quality coaches.
Thawki
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I didn't say he would or should go outside, iahawk20.
But that doesn't change the fact that we only have one guy on the staff right now that wouyld make a top flight defensive coordinator and it also doesn't change the fact that Ron Aiken would be a great choice that fulfills the requirements some of you believe are in place regarding a guy from the current regime that KF could show loyalty to.
And by the way, it is not a shock to me if he stays within the current coaching staff. I am just pointing out that there is only one real choice if that is the way he goes.
I do get a kick out of how everyone "knows" that KF won't go outside of the staff or his "tree" to get someone.
But that doesn't change the fact that we only have one guy on the staff right now that wouyld make a top flight defensive coordinator and it also doesn't change the fact that Ron Aiken would be a great choice that fulfills the requirements some of you believe are in place regarding a guy from the current regime that KF could show loyalty to.
And by the way, it is not a shock to me if he stays within the current coaching staff. I am just pointing out that there is only one real choice if that is the way he goes.
I do get a kick out of how everyone "knows" that KF won't go outside of the staff or his "tree" to get someone.
