Name the things Kirk learned from Hayden Fry?

[docholihawk]

One area Hayden Fry excelled in was his coaching staff. A good coach, or manager of a business really is one who develops his assistants to go on to better things for their lives. Hayden Fry's coaching tree stands up with anyone who has coached college football. KF believes in consistency and continuity on his coaching staff. I still am not impressed with Phil Parker as a DC going back to when he filled in for Norm Parker when he was out one year. Kirk doesn't want to rock the boat, he is loyal though.

 

[alexzelada]

I don't think it was close, and the box score will back that up. ISU picked up a lot of yards late when it was a 20 point lead and they had to totally abandon the run game that Iowa had shut down anyway. ISU never had the ball past midfield when it was a one possession game, and never held the lead.

If you'd actually read and comprehended my post, I did mention that it was a "close" game, even if it only looks that way from the final scoreline. The fact of the matter is that Iowa dominated this game on both sides of the ball from about the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter to the 7 minute mark of the 4th.

The constant knock on Ferentz (at least lately) has been that his team can't win close games. In regards to ISU, it's been that he doesn't beat them enough, and that his record in Ames has been abysmal. Tonight, Kirk's team won a close game in Ames.

I'm glad Iowa won but ISU was one possession away from winning. This is what Kirk has done to the fan-base. He has convinced the rainman subset of fans that 27-21 is a blowout. BTW, since 2008 Kirk has lost 14 games by 3 points or less (more than other coach) but today's game corrects all that in your addled mind.

Here's a very simple question for you. For the remainder of Kirk's time at Iowa do you think we will ever again have a final score in the CyHawk series that was typical under Hayden Fry?

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I'm glad Iowa won but ISU was one possession away from winning. This is what Kirk has done to the fan-base. He has convinced the rainman subset of fans that 27-21 is a blowout. BTW, since 2008 Kirk has lost 14 games by 3 points or less (more than other coach) but today's game corrects all that in your addled mind.

Here's a very simple question for you. For the remainder of Kirk's time at Iowa do you think we will ever again have a final score in the CyHawk series that was typical under Hayden Fry?

I don't think it was a blowout by any stretch of the imagination; there are clearly things Iowa needs to work on. They've been lucky the last two weeks that the opponent has not been very good, and I also think that Iowa's biggest enemy to this point in the season has been themselves. Tonight's result doesn't erase Iowa's history of failing to close out games in recent years, but instead of focusing on and ******** about the margin of victory (Iowa did win), I'll focus on Iowa winning a close game in a place where they've had trouble closing out games in the past. I know it's hard for some to understand, but I think some positives may be gained from winning a close game on the road. Call me crazy.

As for your question, yes. Iowa beat them by 32 and 28 in 2009 and 2010, so it's not far fetched to think another Iowa blowout is in the offing sometime between now and when Kirk leaves.

 

[alexzelada]

I don't think it was a blowout by any stretch of the imagination; there are clearly things Iowa needs to work on. They've been lucky the last two weeks that the opponent has not been very good, and I also think that Iowa's biggest enemy to this point in the season has been themselves. Tonight's result doesn't erase Iowa's history of failing to close out games in recent years, but instead of focusing on and ******** about the margin of victory (Iowa did win), I'll focus on Iowa winning a close game in a place where they've had trouble closing out games in the past. I know it's hard for some to understand, but I think some positives may be gained from winning a close game on the road. Call me crazy.

As for your question, yes. Iowa beat them by 32 and 28 in 2009 and 2010, so it's not far fetched to think another Iowa blowout is in the offing sometime between now and when Kirk leaves.

I'm glad to see you changed your tune and agree with me that we sneaked out a close win. I'm guessing the other replies had something to do with your change of heart. And yes in the past we have destroyed Iowa State. But we also had assistant coach of the year Norm Parker and KOK. I think our OC and DC have taken a step backward. We have played three cream puffs and scored a maximum of 28 points. Not a 28 point margin of victory, but 28 points total.

If you've appointed yourself the board sunshine pumper you're gonna be real busy. 2-1 is better than 1-2 but look who we have played compared to Northwestern. They are 3-0 with dominating victories. Some of us expect more for 4 million dollars than squeaking by the sisters of the poor.

 

[Sooby]

Different mindset between QB mentality and OL mentality.

Fans adored and loved Hayden.
Fans have that disconnect for Kirk, and Kirk views it as a paycheck.
Hopefully, Barta won't offer him another extension for Kirk upping his record to 3-5 at Ames.

If a Hayden-coached Iowa team was up 27-7 with 7 minutes to play, game over.
Like a previous poster said, worse case scenario, the final score is 27-14.

Greg Davis must have been watching this board, because his game plan, was what most of us universally have been asking for.

 

[blubberhawk]

Not sure on the bigger hill...the cupboard was absolutely bare in '98-'99 that was coming off some awful years. I agree that Hayden won bigger and better against lesser comoetition, but I also think the bottom teams in the B1G were worse than in more recent times and the nonBCS schools have closed the talent gap in recent times.

Again, overall KF doesn't match Hayden(Hawkeye Legend). And there is plenty of good reason to have angst and concern the last couple of years. I simply don't feel the gap us so much to state they can't be spoken of in tandem.

Really disappointed with the Ferentz seasons of late but he does have better bowl wins than Fry did, more top ten rankings, etc. Fry beat the crap out of crappy teams.

 

[blubberhawk]

Hayden
Iowa: 143–89–6 98–61–5
Total: 232–178–10

Kirk
Iowa: 102–75 59–52

Big 10 was actually the Big 2 for most of Fry's years at Iowa. Northwestern was horrible. Wisconsin was bad for a good share of the years. No Penn State. No Nebraska.
The league, throughout most of Ferentz' tenure has been more balanced with more good teams. (not great teams, but good)

Fry has a better overall record. Ferentz has more top tens (4 times in the top 8) to Fry's 1. Ferentz has better bowl wins.
Why do we need to argue? Ferentz needs to make changes to stay competitive. I hope he does. If not, I hope they get rid of him.
Total: 114–96



Kirk will have to average 8 wins over the next 5 years including now to get to where hayden was. Kirk also has the advantage of playing one more game per season. Also, Kirk had an already established program. Hayden built the modern Hawkeye program including the emblem. Kirk is 7 games over .500 in league play. Hayden 37 games over. Is there still a debate here?

 

[alexzelada]

Really disappointed with the Ferentz seasons of late but he does have better bowl wins than Fry did, more top ten rankings, etc. Fry beat the crap out of crappy teams.

Fry also had us ranked number 1. I think we all hope when Kirk retired he leaves the program better than he found it like Hayden.

 

[IAHAWK1982]

We sat in the Other Place with a 1,000 hawkeye fans aghast of our almost momentous collapse the last 7 min. Like CMU, like Minnesota, like Ohio State, like Wisconsin....how can we believe the coaching staff knows what the hell they are doing when they have Hamilton trying to field an onside kick. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!

Probably because he has better hands than most of the receivers and if you notice he did field it the second time.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I'm glad to see you changed your tune and agree with me that we sneaked out a close win. I'm guessing the other replies had something to do with your change of heart. And yes in the past we have destroyed Iowa State. But we also had assistant coach of the year Norm Parker and KOK. I think our OC and DC have taken a step backward. We have played three cream puffs and scored a maximum of 28 points. Not a 28 point margin of victory, but 28 points total.

If you've appointed yourself the board sunshine pumper you're gonna be real busy. 2-1 is better than 1-2 but look who we have played compared to Northwestern. They are 3-0 with dominating victories. Some of us expect more for 4 million dollars than squeaking by the sisters of the poor.

You know what, you're right. I should just **** and moan and cry about everything, and not focus on anything positive at all. That's much easier.

 

[alexzelada]

You know what, you're right. I should just **** and moan and cry about everything, and not focus on anything positive at all. That's much easier.

You mad bro? You obviously don't know my posting history.

What do you think it says about you that you demand people only post what you want to hear?

 

[ShadasRevenge]

You mad bro? You obviously don't know my posting history.

What do you think it says about you that you demand people only post what you want to hear?

You can post whatever you want, we're all free to disagree with each other here. I choose/try not to complain. Many others don't. To each their own.

 

[OLWPAORWWM]

That's fair. Just a question cuz you seem reasonable and agreeable. Would Kirk have sought an interview to be the head coach at Iowa if they had 17 consecutive non-winning seasons in 1999 and were known as a coaching graveyard?

You're wondering if the Cleveland Browns offensive line coach would consider a Big 10 head coaching position in any scenario?

I really think people forget how TERRIBLE Hayden's teams were at the end. I will never forget sitting in the Metrodome watching Hayden lose to Minnesota by SIX FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS in his final game. Oh yeah, he also lost at home to Iowa State and lost at Indiana on his way to a 3-8 season.

 

[alexzelada]

You can post whatever you want, we're all free to disagree with each other here. I choose/try not to complain. Many others don't. To each their own.

Actually this thread is a luvfest toward Iowa's greatest football coach ever. And you're complaining about it.

 

[alexzelada]

You're wondering if the Cleveland Browns offensive line coach would consider a Big 10 head coaching position in any scenario?

I really think people forget how TERRIBLE Hayden's teams were at the end. I will never forget sitting in the Metrodome watching Hayden lose to Minnesota by SIX FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS in his final game. Oh yeah, he also lost at home to Iowa State and lost at Indiana on his way to a 3-8 season.

He had cancer. How well do you coach when you have cancer? And Kirk has had multiple years that were worse than 1998.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

Actually this thread is a luvfest toward Iowa's greatest football coach ever. And you're complaining about it.

LOLZ. This thread stopped being about Hayden before the end of the first page.

 

[OLWPAORWWM]

He had cancer. How well do you coach when you have cancer? And Kirk has had multiple years that were worse than 1998.

Multiple years worse than 1998? You mean one year worse than 1998, which was 1999, when he was cleaning up the disaster that Hayden left behind?

 

[woodyk1]

You're wondering if the Cleveland Browns offensive line coach would consider a Big 10 head coaching position in any scenario?

I really think people forget how TERRIBLE Hayden's teams were at the end. I will never forget sitting in the Metrodome watching Hayden lose to Minnesota by SIX FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS in his final game. Oh yeah, he also lost at home to Iowa State and lost at Indiana on his way to a 3-8 season.

I was there as well. That was depressing. Even worse, we had come on a bus trip and it's harder to leave early when it's a bus trip. That team was bad and wanted the season to end, you could see it.

 

[doclee]

If Hayden Fry had been subjected to the scrutiny that KF has suffered (along with nearly every other head college football coach in the country), he would have bailed out of coaching long before his record became as impressive as it did. And just to be clear, I have more respect for HF than for about any coach in college football...his courage, his absolute ability to be color blind, in a day when that was a serious risk, places him above about anyone I can think of who is currently in the business. I would like to think there was a way to compare the success of HF and KF...but they existed in totally different worlds. We are likely doing them both a disservice in our futile attempts to compare them. And, given the history of some of the posters on this board, many are only interested in finding yet another route toward their foregone conclusion that KF has ruined the Hawk Football program for the foreseeable future. BTW: Good luck with that endeavor.

 

[alexzelada]

LOLZ. This thread stopped being about Hayden before the end of the first page.

I think we've all figured out that according to you the only good things that can be said about Iowa are the things involving Kirk's name. LOL indeed.