MSU problems might be just starting

The difference between MSU & Baylor is Nassar. Baylor (to my knowledge) doesn’t have 20 years worth of sexual assault cover ups. Baylor didn’t have someone linked to the Olympic Gymnastic Team who assaulted 150ish women. Nassar is bringing down MSU. Without Nassar, MSU isn’t it trouble.

To be clear, Baylor is disgusting as well and should be in much more trouble than it is.
 

I know is Barstool Sports, but supposedly Barstool MSU has legit sources...

Wow. I have read material related to MSU and their dirt for weeks now. I never thought the stain would touch Izzo. If these coaches step down voluntarily it will in my mind confirm their involvement. If this happens then MSU's entire athletic department should face sanctions. I wonder if this doesn't throw MSU into the dark ages for a decade.
 
The difference between MSU & Baylor is Nassar. Baylor (to my knowledge) doesn’t have 20 years worth of sexual assault cover ups. Baylor didn’t have someone linked to the Olympic Gymnastic Team who assaulted 150ish women. Nassar is bringing down MSU. Without Nassar, MSU isn’t it trouble.

To be clear, Baylor is disgusting as well and should be in much more trouble than it is.
Exactly. Briles and Baylor are worse than the things we are hearing about MSU football and basketball. (They are still messed up too) but there is a much bigger spotlight on MSU now because of Nasser and the overall environment we are in today.
 
And now.... the NCAA -


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I read the entire article. I am just stunned. I guess the question I would ask would be in the future, why wouldn't the Universities create a complete educational program about sexual violence of any kind and require completion by all incoming frosh? I like the idea of pro-active, not re-active, because it helps eliminate excuses.

In the event of a report to the U. by a student claiming s/he was sexually assaulted, or physically assaulted (battery), the U. should report it to the local police department for investigation and then completely stay out of the way until charges are filed. U.'s are educational facilities, not law enforcement experts. If a U. police force is entirely independent of the administration, I suppose they could perform the enforcement piece. But, they would certainly be under a lot of scrutiny for potentially protecting their own employer.

God. This stuff is enough to make anyone sick. It makes we wonder how much sexual assault takes place in the U. as a whole, aside from the involvement of student athletes. I am sure there is much data available; I just have not researched it. I do know that as a public school administrator, I have talked to parents about their concerns for their kids' (especially females) safety on U. campuses.

I certainly hope that after a full investigation that MSU will face full accountability and sufficient penalty for their mistreatment of the students involved.
 
Just so we are clear, you are arguing that Baylor got as much national coverage as #metoo and Nasser?
Whose alt are you again?
That was never said. Stop making shit up. Go back to what you quoted and what I quoted you on and critically think about what I was saying.
 
Wow. I have read material related to MSU and their dirt for weeks now. I never thought the stain would touch Izzo. If these coaches step down voluntarily it will in my mind confirm their involvement. If this happens then MSU's entire athletic department should face sanctions. I wonder if this doesn't throw MSU into the dark ages for a decade.

That part at this point is false news.
 
I read the entire article. I am just stunned. I guess the question I would ask would be in the future, why wouldn't the Universities create a complete educational program about sexual violence of any kind and require completion by all incoming frosh? I like the idea of pro-active, not re-active, because it helps eliminate excuses.

In the event of a report to the U. by a student claiming s/he was sexually assaulted, or physically assaulted (battery), the U. should report it to the local police department for investigation and then completely stay out of the way until charges are filed. U.'s are educational facilities, not law enforcement experts. If a U. police force is entirely independent of the administration, I suppose they could perform the enforcement piece. But, they would certainly be under a lot of scrutiny for potentially protecting their own employer.

God. This stuff is enough to make anyone sick. It makes we wonder how much sexual assault takes place in the U. as a whole, aside from the involvement of student athletes. I am sure there is much data available; I just have not researched it. I do know that as a public school administrator, I have talked to parents about their concerns for their kids' (especially females) safety on U. campuses.

I certainly hope that after a full investigation that MSU will face full accountability and sufficient penalty for their mistreatment of the students involved.
Never thought that folks would have to pay others to educate what should be common sense to their kids... But that's where we have evolved to as a society. It's so crazy. What's worse is I don't think it'd matter. Not one bit. Most folks know not to cheat, steal, assault, etc etc etc yet do it all anyway. I wish it would be as simple as just teaching youngsters but if you give them the freedom to run around on their own at college unsupervised this crap will still happen... It's just individual selfishness/narcissism. Only us as individuals can change those things about ourselves...
 
That part at this point is false news.

News is not all black and white. Not everything is fact or fiction. In this case a publication felt that they had a reliable source that this could or would happen. Of course the parties involved are going to deny. Either way I never said that it was fact. I merely said "if". If is a real possibility considering the situation even without this latest report.
 
I think the whole landscape has changed. MSU is in deep trouble...I see more heads rolling in the MSU athletic department, including the sanctimonious D'antonio, who is the biggest hypocrite/scumbag of them all. There is a pattern of sexual abuse with his players during his entire tenure at MSU and he has been instrumental in the cover up. The Big Ten should boot MSU out of the league, but of course they won't do it.
If Penn State didn’t get the boot, MSU won’t.
 
I didn't think so either for the same reasons but the more I thought about it this encompasses the entire AD department not just football or one sport. This is literally top to bottom systemic suppression. The more the onion gets unwound here I don't see how the idea of some sort of death penalty can be ignored.

Good points. In addition, I don't see a Michigan State bouncing back as fast as Penn St.
 
I think the whole landscape has changed. MSU is in deep trouble...I see more heads rolling in the MSU athletic department, including the sanctimonious D'antonio, who is the biggest hypocrite/scumbag of them all. There is a pattern of sexual abuse with his players during his entire tenure at MSU and he has been instrumental in the cover up. The Big Ten should boot MSU out of the league, but of course they won't do it.

I agree with Chosen that if what OTL says is correct that 16 MSU football players committed sexual abuse, assault and violence in 11 years under Dantonio then he is gone. My gawd that is one a year at least and if they tried to hide the allegations and sweep stuff under the rug with payoffs and NDAs then fire them.

I dont think MSU needs to get kicked out of the league, they should be denied postseason for 2 years by the league, no titles, and a reduction in schollies or if not by the ncaa but F the ncaa. The Prez is out, the AD is out, if the coaches with the problems are out and then those penalties are enough and I dont see messing up the other teams players who were not involved with this.
 
News is not all black and white. Not everything is fact or fiction. In this case a publication felt that they had a reliable source that this could or would happen. Of course the parties involved are going to deny. Either way I never said that it was fact. I merely said "if". If is a real possibility considering the situation even without this latest report.

That's reasonable.
 
This could be a death penalty situation for the basketball and football teams. If something like this isn’t worthy of that, then what is? It’s surely a million times worse than what SMU did back in the day.

If that would happen, the two sports that make probably 99% of the revenue for the athletic department are toast, and the entire athletics program is toast. And then how does MSU justify staying in the B1G?
 
Wow, just watched the ESPN special on this. It looks bad, bad, bad, for msu. Football and bb players accused of gang rapes and coaches sweeping it under the rug.

I thought pedo state should've gotten the hammer. They didn't. We all know the list of schools cheating with under the table money, fake classes, strippers for recruits, and on and on. The NCAA has shown no ability to do ANYTHING to discipline these programs. Makes me wanna puke.
 

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