Have you heard Deace and Millers latest podcast on it? That Walton guy was so well thought of by the Izzos that he lived with him in his basement for awhile. Deace pretty much said how can you be that close to a guy and not know why he decided to move on? They'd been together years and years by that point between playing for him and then coaching yet Tom couldn't come up with anything better then he didn't remember.... Izzos benefit of the doubt is gone. So is Dantonios. As far as I'm concerned if that board has any balls at all they'd fire both of them and then resign themselves... They need top to bottom cleaning period.
MSU problems might be just starting
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The corruption runs deep.
He said one of the prosecutors that did not charge eventually took a job as a Title IX officer at MSU.
The other prosecutor was caught in a prostitution ring.
These prosecutors did not bring charges against MSU athletes.
Title IX offices are responsible to the Feds but have offices on campuses and are paid by the universities.
Yeah, no flaws there with the federal statute. Did they not ever read, “you cannot serve two masters” ?
He said one of the prosecutors that did not charge eventually took a job as a Title IX officer at MSU.
The other prosecutor was caught in a prostitution ring.
These prosecutors did not bring charges against MSU athletes.
Title IX offices are responsible to the Feds but have offices on campuses and are paid by the universities.
Yeah, no flaws there with the federal statute. Did they not ever read, “you cannot serve two masters” ?
Denverhawk1
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard anything on this lately? Seems like the story just dropped off the face of the earth.
Nope Dantonio denied everything and Izzo is no commenting... The board is sitting on their hands. . Unless there's more of an investigation from outsiders this is what it is I'm afraid. You would have thought their might be more of a push from both the locals and national media for questions to be answered but evidently football and basketball are too big to fail. Sure we'll throw the whole gymnastics program under the bus and rightfully so. But their cash cows they are clearly way less gun shy
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SmokeTownHawk
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I thought the Michigan AG was conducting an investigation separate from MSU. There's got to be way more to this than what's come out so far. In this age of information and social media for a story like this to be hushed up is amazing and angering at the same time.
HawkeyeDenis
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This may have been said but I'll put my view anyway. What is the value of having incoming freshmen go through harassment training if the upper management is going to cover up the crime?.
The Penn State is a textbook case on how upper management should not react to a sex crime.. Everyone of those administrators should have gone to jail.
Information spreads around the globe in seconds and yet these administrators think they can cover up a sex crime. Dirty little secrets travel faster than the truth.
The Penn State is a textbook case on how upper management should not react to a sex crime.. Everyone of those administrators should have gone to jail.
Information spreads around the globe in seconds and yet these administrators think they can cover up a sex crime. Dirty little secrets travel faster than the truth.
No doubt about it. Yet they got away with it for this long. Arrogance is a funny thing. The one thing I thought that might happen but it hasn't is the locals in East Lansing sitting on their hands not demanding more from Izzo. I wouldn't think his sitting on his hands no commenting would fly this long. But there doesn't seem to be much pushback unto him yet. The fact he's pretty much lawyered up is just chicken shit.
SpiderRico
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When a coach says, "I'll comment when the time seems right"....it's just code for, "I need time to lawyer up and figure out what to say so I don't get my ass canned...."
NCHawker
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MSU Basketball may get blown up, along with dozens of other basketball programs from the FBI probe. As for football - they seemed to have more perpetrators in their ranks... and maybe dantonio will be out after the end of the next recruiting cycle.
While I'd like to see rival's programs go down in flames, I'd rather see Iowa ascend on their own above them
While I'd like to see rival's programs go down in flames, I'd rather see Iowa ascend on their own above them
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Yes, and when the state AG is investigating it would be dumb not to get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut.
Oh for sure from where each of them sit. But from where the board and new president and new AD sit they could preemptively clean house if they'd be so inclined. It's what I would do knowing what little bit I do. They've started the cleaning house project at the top now finish it. There's no way Izzo and Dantonios hands are or could be clean. At the very least they knew about stuff and didn't push for it to get reported. At worst they actively helped keep it quiet too. Does it really matter as far as keeping their jobs safe goes? Not to me either way they don't deserve to be in those positions of power and influence. So them talking or not is of no consequence if I'm a decision maker there now. Clean house so you can start the moving on process
Denverhawk1
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Didn’t Dantonio just get another year?
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If you and I were the decision makers now we would have lawyers telling us that if certain people are fired there are going to “yuuuuge” lawsuits — especially if no criminal wrongdoing is found. As the new AD or prez you’re not going to want that at the top of your resume. Ask Barta.
Just like kicking players off the team when no criminal charges were filed would have brought civil lawsuits.
What the Michigan AG is going to investigate is if anyone — coaches, administrators, cops, prosecutors, whoever — put their thumb on the scale of justice against the alleged victims.
Obviously there was a breakdown of investigating allegations and justice at MSU. Who the alleged perpetrators, alleged victims, and alleged coverup agents are is not entirely known at the moment.
there is a process to follow so that victim can get a measure of justice belatedly and so that “innocent” people aren’t damaged. Bypassing the process and throwing everybody out may do that.
I’m not defending MSU. The process that protects individual rights is necessary to protect everyone’s rights too. The Michigan AG will find out who distorted that process — and then run for governor.
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MoseSchrute
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This isn't about that. This is about scumbags getting served some proper justice.
Coaches are let go all the time for no reason. 9-4 wasn't good enough for the Frank Soliches/Bo Pelinis of the world. So firing coaches for smoke without proving exactly where the fire is should be plenty good enough. They can say they contributed to the terrible reputation they now have regardless of the amount of blame. I'm surprised the student body isn't protesting games/demanding it.
The coaches aren't going to admit to anything. Regardless of what's dug up. What's already been out there should be enough. In regards to both Walton and the other two former players Izzos got 2 major questions to answer what did he know and when. It's not all that difficult. If he refuses to answer or if the answer is prior to this becoming public at all then he's gone. No if and or butts.
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Coaches can be let go for “wrong” reasons but they’re never let go for ‘no reason.’ But I get what you’re saying. And Nebraska is paying to let those coaches go for no reason. Still.
Imagine if you fire Dantonio and Izzo and after you fire them, the Mich AG says no criminal wrongdoing on either part. You’re going to pay them their contract and you’re going to pay a bigger civil lawsuit for defemation and loss of future income.
If you wait until after Mich AG determines wrongdoing, whether it’s criminal or scuzziness by omission, you’ll be able to fire with cause.
If they are criminally negligent they will have to answer a subpoena or sit quiet in a courtroom or if scuzzy omission then the court of public opinion can run its course.
The student body isn’t protesting because there are basically two minorities as the alleged perpetrators and victims in this so they don’t know who to back.
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I’m not arguing against you. Just along with you.
We’re both going the same direction with this. You’re saying they should punch the gas pedal and I’m thinking out loud why they should tap the brakes.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Dantonio should go and will be gone just because of the consistent scuzziness of the program (much more so if he thumbed the scale). I haven’t seen enough about Izzo other than making a couple of stupid statements. IMO.
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HawkGold
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Was Bruce Weber let go for no reason? Interesting question. Sort of like Davis. Downhill since.
