I don't think their were high expectations that year at all. We lost by far our best player from the year before. Almost everyone thought Woody and Gesell sucked. Clemmons was only an average player. Uthoff was nowhere near the player as a junior that he was as a senior. And Jok pretty much had done nothing up to that point. I don't think you're remembering that one right at all. White single handedly won us the last 6 games of the year. If he doesn't do what he did, we might not have made the tourney that year. Losing him was a huge blow that most fans thought we couldn't overcome. Losing an exhibition game to start that year sure didn't place high expectations on that team either.
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I don't think their were high expectations that year at all. We lost by far our best player from the year before. Almost everyone thought Woody and Gesell sucked. Clemmons was only an average player. Uthoff was nowhere near the player as a junior that he was as a senior. And Jok pretty much had done nothing up to that point. I don't think you're remembering that one right at all. White single handedly won us the last 6 games of the year. If he doesn't do what he did, we might not have made the tourney that year. Losing him was a huge blow that most fans thought we couldn't overcome. Losing an exhibition game to start that year sure didn't place high expectations on that team either.
Do you really think Cook, Moss, and Dailey were reasons we didn't get burned last year?
Adam
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Played organized basketball for 14 years. Played against a handful of D1 athletes. Even though I never was a D1 athlete I never encountered someone that I wasn't able to guard. I never played against Usain Bolt, but I doubt it would have made a bit of difference. When I get in front of you your speed can't go anywhere. Quick burst is way more dangerous in basketball.
If speed is the "pillar" as you claim then why aren't sprinters flooding the game? I can tell you why. It's because speed is not quicks. Please quit mischaracterizing it.
I see posts that say "he gets shut down buy guys who aren't D1 players" or "he gets out muscled by guys who aren't D1 players". Its like people think that if you aren't a D1 player you aren't capable of playing good defense or being really strong. Sorry for the side tirade.
hawkdrummer1
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We got burned plenty. Cook was our most athletic player, Moss was up and down but he had tools. Daily...well, Dolph was right offensively but he wasn't that bad on D. We're going to be slower next year overall, so I doubt it's going to get better. We're loaded with tall skinny guys who aren't very quick. We could really use a couple of JUCO athletes, even for spot duty, defensive pressure, driving the tempo when starters rest, etc.
John Wooden valued quickness above almost any other physical trait. There's a reason.
HawkGold
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Adam...seriously. you might have some traction if Fran taught D fundamentals which would lesson the gap. Then there is trying to score
Speed quick what ever. Anyway the lack both. Krin, JBo and Luka are about the 3 slowest and lacking quicnkess are about the top...or bottom depending on hiw else you want to game this at their position. Joe struggled against top quick and speed. Conner the same. Pat...maybe his has somthing but not top. He lacks fundamenats which will effectively penalize him on quick speed.
HawkGold
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Adam...seriously. you might have some traction if Fran taught D fundamentals which would lesson the gap. Then there is trying to score
Speed quick what ever. Anyway the lack both. Krin, JBo and Luka are about the 3 slowest and lacking quicnkess are about the top...or bottom depending on hiw else you want to game this at their position. Joe struggled against top quick and speed. Conner the same. Pat...maybe his has somthing but not top. He lacks fundamenats which will effectively penalize him on quick speed.
Baer is probably one of the slower players on the team and he looks by far the quickest because his brain is always one step ahead of the play. Moss and Cook are certainly two of the quicker players. But when their brain is always one step behind the play, does their quickness even show? I sure didn't see many examples of either of them looking quick on defense.
Adam
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I promise you that anyone of the guys that you mentioned could slap a KFC drumstick out of your mouth before you could bite down.
Having the ability to do something unfortunately is not the same as actually doing it. There are maybe dozens of things to mentality process at any given moment in basketball. The players who look like naturals are the one's who process it fast and have the ability to do it.
Look we know that Iowa lacks a super star. We don't have any natural stars. TC was the closest, but never put it together. JW is now the next hope. He has time to improve so hope can still flourish. At this moment we know that we lack a star, but that does not mean that Iowa can't compete with a roster of solid guys. The talent is not so lacking that NCAA tournament is beyond hope. The crew certainly has its work cut out for it though.
There is an old saying in basketball. If 5 guys can learn to think as 1. They can not be beat.
If Iowa can gel and play at a level where everyone is on the same page they have enough talent to contend for the B1G. If I were predicting though I would say 6th or 7th place finish NCAA bubble with 65% odds of getting a bid. That feels safe. That would be my gut floor for this team. I do think they have top 3 (B1G) upside though. If things really took off and came together kind of upside.
JG10Hawk
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Moss was most definitely a spot up shooter. He had the occasional finish in transition but he wasn't much of a creator inside the 3pt line. Despite taking the 3rd most 2PA, he was 2nd worst on the team in 2P% to only Jordan and his FTR was awful only attempting 67 FTs all season. He shot less FTs per possession than everyone except Dailey.
In other words, as good of a 3pt shooter as Isaiah was, he wasn't very efficient in the other shooting efficiency metrics. Those stats were kind of surprising to me when I looked them up because I remember Isaiah being a good FT shooter. He just didn't get to the line very often which indicates he probably settled for missed mid range jumpers more than he should have.
That type of production "should" be easier to replace than Cook's and Baer's. Time will tell if the newcomers will be able to.
All of that said, I'm not trying to bash him at all. I just thought I'd look into what the numbers say. Isaiah was a good teammate and his experience will be missed. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he finds a place that allows him to enjoy his final year of eligibility
In other words, as good of a 3pt shooter as Isaiah was, he wasn't very efficient in the other shooting efficiency metrics. Those stats were kind of surprising to me when I looked them up because I remember Isaiah being a good FT shooter. He just didn't get to the line very often which indicates he probably settled for missed mid range jumpers more than he should have.
That type of production "should" be easier to replace than Cook's and Baer's. Time will tell if the newcomers will be able to.
All of that said, I'm not trying to bash him at all. I just thought I'd look into what the numbers say. Isaiah was a good teammate and his experience will be missed. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he finds a place that allows him to enjoy his final year of eligibility
HawkGold
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Had your hopium levels checked lately.
Adam
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Sure my participation in these boards keeps those levels well below my physicians recommendation.
Good grief starting 150 lb PF. I already miss Moss.
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?? That's who I get my hopium from!
If JBo plays exclusively at SG, and JW developed a little more, Garza, Pemsl and Kreiner will take care of the middle.With any other help, we will be outscoring our opponents, just like last year. Offense should be alright.
No surprize, "D" will again be the $100 question.
The league loses ALOT of talent this year. I look for a 4-6 finish and an NCAA birth.
JG10Hawk
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The post should be good with the players you mentioned plus Nunge. The question basically becomes who can step up and fill Baer's and Moss' minutes on the wing?
My guess is Pat will take on Baer's minutes at the 3 and spot time at the 4(starter or off the bench doesn't matter). Connor will likely get about the same minutes, so split Moss' minutes with Joe T and CJ. Jordan can switch between the 1 and 2 while Joe W can switch between the 3 and 2 depending on who else is in the game at the time.
NikeHawk21
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Small forward. Nunge will start at the 4. Wieskamp will start at SG if that happens.
If Joe T starts then Bohannon would slide to the 2. Let’s hope he’s good enough to start
Adam
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Right now I'm guessing Conner, Jbo, JW, Nunge and Garza as the starting 5. In that position order.
