Mike Woodson goes off bigtime on Fran in his post-game presser...cussing and everything

[NorthKCHawk]

 

[racerhawk]

Coach W is gonna be hearing from the Commissioner after that. I suspect he might have to write a check. Personally, I appreciate his candor. I get why he feels the way that he did. But, he was criticizing the refs openly in two different situations. No no.

Coach W had a point but lost a tad of credibility by going after the refs in a press conference.

In related news, Indiana men's basketball blew another big lead, and tends to underperform despite having talent. That's the bullshit

 

[racerhawk]

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Yes, Izzo does this all the time and is revered in the profession. Bo Ryan used to intimidate the refs for the entire game. Howard punches people. The Illinois coach is less than placid...

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It looked like to me that Perkins hurt his arm at the very end and said he couldn't go. I think Fran wanted him on the floor. Otherwise Perkins only came out for like a couple minutes. The first 10 or 11 minutes of the second half is the longest I can ever recall Fran going without making a substitution. Those guys were gassed. Not sure why you'd think Sandfort over Ulis was gutsy. Things were really rough with Ulis in the first half, and I think after his wild drive and shot to end the half, Fran had seen enough for him on the night.

I'd stick with the 5 who started the second half and just ride them moving forward - see if they can all play 35-40 minutes. Maybe Sandfort is only 30. And then just sprinkle in a little Ulis, Dix and Bowen.

Uhlis and Bowen actually had a good run in the first half and Fran acknowledged that in his post game. He subbed them in for a span in the 2nd half and they had a few TO's and sloppy play. They weren't in too long and he went back to Connor, Sandfort, and Perkins I think. It was only like 2 minutes and he put the starters back in.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It would be like Lute's last year when we had a solid starting five...and little bench.

You're correct about Perkins. It happened when he was on the floor trying to corral a loose ball.

I will double down on Sandfort being a gutsy move because of his struggles with confidence. But bodies are running thin. Peyton stepped up with decent defense and two huge free throws.

Ulis is becoming Brian Garner 2.0. No confidence in his shot and out of control going to the bucket. He has nice chemistry with Rebraca though, dropped a couple beautiful no look dimes in the first half

Anyone know if Josh O is out? He not only hasn't been playing, he was way down next to Patrick at the end of the bench. Couldn't get a decent look at whether he was even in uniform.

He and Patrick were out last night.

 

[1980HAWKFAN]

You are joking right? This took me 30 seconds....

Ya Izzo really looks like he's looking to fight. The ref is shaking in his boots. My take is Fran's meltdowns are getting old. Have your team ready to go so you don't have to look like an idiot.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

No argument from me regarding Izzo. Izzo has also fallen off as I think the style doesn't work in this climate. It's old school when young people generally were conditioned to positively respond to fear.

I've coached about every level thru hs. When I get emotional it generally was net negative than positive. I've mentioned this before but in a hs baseball game. I knew the rules. In a tight game for the conference championship I tied to score a runner from first. The player tripped on 3rd and tried to get up and score. I grabbed him and put him back on 3rd. Opponent coach had been all over the umps all game. He screamed at the umps not calling me out. I had been behaving myself thinking it would be to my advantage. Ump with the other coach by his side directly asked him if I was guilty. I didn't want to lie or plead guilty so I turned my back to hide my big smile. Ump said....Play Ball!.

We loaded the bases and got a triple and won.

Another situation in girl's bb I had a young really good point guard. She turned the ball over 3 times in a row and I yelled at her. Then she got worse. She wouldn't look at me. I finally got really loud and she faced me and was crying...make up all smeared. Sat her down and apologized. Went back in and played really well.

I don't remember much of the times I was an idiot and was successfull. I do remember those incidents very well. I was a good coach. I'd rather be known as a compassionate coach than an idiot coach win or lose.

The most successful teams are self motivated. Inalso woukdnt be surprised that PMs anxiety might be better managed with better model8ng by his coach. Parenting is tough so not going there.

Well, we definitely see Connor at times with some antics. It again happened last night, when he was down in the raucous at the other bench. He started to head down there jawing and coaches/teammates had to pull him back. The apple doesn't fall far.

He, in no way, should be getting involved or be saying anything.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Part of the problem with college basketball controlling the coaches is that they allow the lines to be blurred for most of the game. There's a rule that coaches are never supposed to set foot on the court while the game is in progress. But every head coach in every game is constantly stepping onto the court -- both when their team is at the other end of the court and when directly in front of them. Last night the refs had to constantly move around the Indiana head coach when he was stepping onto the court during the game. That's BS. If they kept coaches under control during the normal part of the game, it would make giving coach's technical fouls a lot more defined and less subjective.

Boy, I can't disagree. Why have rules or guidelines if they are not enforced?

 

[1980HAWKFAN]

Well, we definitely see Connor at times with some antics. It again happened last night, when he was down in the raucous at the other bench. He started to head down there jawing and coaches/teammates had to pull him back. The apple doesn't fall far.

He, in no way, should be getting involved or saying anything.

Where could he have possibly learned that was how we roll? Why do most of the Hawk fans think Izzo is a douche bag? I'd like to think your coach is better than that.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Well dont forget John Chaney( threatening to kill Calipari. or John Thompson (3 Tees In one Game lol) or Bob Knight ..........To be honest, last nights win was all about Fran making the right decisions from the Tee to the zone.
The players showed some fire, and I am not getting tired of Fran standing up for his players or to the Horsecrap B10 officiating. (I like class as in KF, but you can still show class with fire in your belly, and thats the debate on Fran ..IMO)The key in refereeing is calling the obvious to keep the flow of the game open, when that disappears you can lose control of the game in the closed environment and that happened somewhat last night ....Mike is likely pissed he couldn't figure out the zone or stop bricking free throws.

They also fronted Jackson-Davis and brought support from behind late in the game which was a great adjustment. That was a great call. If people are thinking Fran is just out there throwing tantrums and not coaching, they are not getting it.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

They also fronted Jackson-Davis and brought support from behind late in the game which was a great adjustment. That was a great call. If people are thinking Fran is just out there throwing tantrums and not coaching, they are not getting it.

Bingo.

Why we are not praising his job last night instead of focusing on a couple normal Frantrums is beyond me. If anything, I look forward to Fran on the sideline. He aint boring.

 

[Northside Hawk]

It's all an act. All of the good coaches (ever heard of a dude named Izzo) do it. It was a master class from Fran in how to manipulate the refs. Francon 1 Fran is a tool. It fired up the crowd and they were a big factor in that victory.

It's all part of the game at this level. So much of refereeing at this level is subjective. You gotta get the calls at home because you know you won't get them on the road.

Anyone knowmwhat the attendance was? Lots of empty seats behind Indiana's basket.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Well, we definitely see Connor at times with some antics. It again happened last night, when he was down in the raucous at the other bench. He started to head down there jawing and coaches/teammates had to pull him back. The apple doesn't fall far.

He, in no way, should be getting involved or be saying anything.

Can't remember if his drive to the bucket was before or after the incident.

If it was after, he's lucky he didn't get tea-kettled.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I was nervous when Sandfort went to the line late, even though he shoots like 86% FT, but he came through. I told a fan sitting next to me that if he makes these FT's, this may be the thing that gets him out of his slump going forward. Don't be surprised if he settles down now and is more consistent.

Good job Peyton!

Hats off to the kid. He took one fadeaway shot that I yelled at the tv over but besides that he was great pretty much. He certainly helped win that game and we'll need him to be going forward

 

[RyDogg]

Part of the problem with college basketball controlling the coaches is that they allow the lines to be blurred for most of the game. There's a rule that coaches are never supposed to set foot on the court while the game is in progress. But every head coach in every game is constantly stepping onto the court -- both when their team is at the other end of the court and when directly in front of them. Last night the refs had to constantly move around the Indiana head coach when he was stepping onto the court during the game. That's BS. If they kept coaches under control during the normal part of the game, it would make giving coach's technical fouls a lot more defined and less subjective.

I agree with this the most. Rules for coaches are really not enforced as far as the coaches box or getting on the court. Once the official interfered with Kris while having to avoid the entire Indiana bench standing up and giving no room to run the sideline off the court. Iowa and Indiana coaches were on the playing floor most of the game. Either have the rules and enforce them or dont bother with the rules

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Bingo.

Why we are not praising his job last night instead of focusing on a couple normal Frantrums is beyond me. If anything, I look forward to Fran on the sideline. He aint boring.

That was the 3rd best comeback in Iowa history for the program. They guy had to fight for his team and find a way to jump start them. It's not always pretty and I sometimes question his control, but it is what it is.

...........and as you point out, it ain't boring!

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Anyone knowmwhat the attendance was? Lots of empty seats behind Indiana's basket.

If I had to guess, I would think it was about 65-70% full. As a fan who went, selfishly I really like the amount of people as is easier to move around, plenty of different seats to squat in, etc..

But, I realize it's best when it is jammed full. We are still in break down here and it was an 8:00 game on a week night.

 

[BryceC]

Refs also have to show some discretion and realize the moment of the game. Fran had a legitimate beef that assistant coaches are not supposed to be woodshedding the refs. Refs interact with the head coach only. Fran wandering a few feet past the box to confront the situation was not the crime of the century. Emotions were high, no one did anything egregious, let the players decide the fate of the game on the court. I thought the refs did a good job there.

Fran crossed half court. I honestly can't think of a time I've seen that.

 

[Tippett]

I think he actually did get a T but they rescinded it, which is what pizzed Woodson off. It was a nutty game all around last night. Worth the $8 ticket price of admission though!!

He actually gave the T to the Indiana assistant after telling Fran you better back your ass up.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Fran crossed half court. I honestly can't think of a time I've seen that.

The legendary tirade in Madison in 2014. During a media timeout he got T'd twice, tossed, then went over to where the third official is stationed during a media timeout. In this case it was the opposite corner of the court.

If the court was a monopoly board and Iowa's bench was Mediterranean Avenue, he ended up over by Free Parking. He's lucky he didn't go directly to jail. Literally.

Had to be escorted off the court by cops in Cedar Falls in one of his early years, but don't know if he crossed half court during the tirade.