Michigan loss is ALL on Lickliter!!!

With 13 seconds to go, you have at least put token D on Michigan. Force them to take time to get the ball up the court. I realize Lickliter's approach is to defend only 2/3rds of the court, but you have to at least make them work to get it up... especially when you are up 3 points. You know that a 2 pt bucket can't tie and a three can't win. So bail out on the press. Even if it's broken, you aren't going to lose the game in that possession. It shortens the game and the UM possession. Then at that point, you have to see the clock. If it gets to 8 secs or less, usually you give the foul at that point.

I can see it both ways though. UM is just an awful 3 pt shooting team - but they made some crazy shots last night. Watching the game, I thought Iowa should have fouled. Looking back, I am ok they didn't. Why not chance it with Sims taking a fade away three pointers to tie? That's not an awful result. He just happened to make it.

It's easier to say - for sure foul when the clock is under 5. It's harder to say for sure when it's over 10.
 
storminspank said:
Why not chance it with Sims taking a fade away three pointers to tie? That's not an awful result. He just happened to make it.
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That is the shot we wanted Michigan to take. Sims is a bad 3pt shooter. He was just hot last night. And he wasn't wide open by any stretch. Sometimes the hot player gets the rolls.

So sayeth the gods of basketball.
 
I think Lick went with Wink over Brommer because other than Sims, UM went pretty small. Lick thought he could put Fuller on Sims and be ok. Wink ended up on Sims after a switch and obviously Wink has no chance in this situation. I thought Wink did the right thing in trying to foul and it looked like he committed the foul at about the free throw line but SOMEHOW Sims got the NBA continuation call from Hightower. I still can't believe they counted that basket and yet Fuller can't get a call at the end of the game. The reffing in this game was awful.
 
HawkeyeRyno said:
Sorry, you guys are right. Lick did a phenomenal job of coaching down the stretch to set his team up for victory.
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HawkeyeRyno ... It's no use in stating your case ... The Lick lovers will jump all over you no matter your two cents ... And I happen to agree ... We should have fouled and not let them shoot the 3 ... But, just keep that to yourself ... The Lick lovers are the dominate posters in the basketball forum because the other fans just tuned out ...
 
grandmahawk said:
Interesting Lick quote to shed some light on the foul / no foul question:

(from Morehouse's article)

“Knowing what I know now, should’ve fouled him,â€￾ Lickliter said. “ … I just know what didn’t work.â€￾

GALLERY: Iowa men scrap, but fall to Michigan in OT|GazetteOnline.com
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Thanks for posting grandmahawk! Most of you hammered me for thinking this, and here Lick is stating he should've fouled.

I understand there were 18 seconds left, MU isn't a great three point shooting team and Harris isn't a great 3 ball shooter but the point I was making was we were up three and they have the last shot. So you know a two isn't going to win it, so why not put some pressure on the ball and make them work for it and then before they shoot the three - which they had hit ALL night - force them to the FT line instead of letting them have plenty of time to give there best player an open look?? Don't understand why I was hammered on this thought by so many. Lick regrets not doing that now. That's my problem, you have to ***** the situation at hand rather than look back on what you SHOULD HAVE done.
 
HawkeyeRyno said:
No not dumb! Thanks though Mrs. Lickliter. You foul BEFORE they get the shot off!! Not immediately when they throw the ball in! Make them shoot FTs instead of hitting a game changing three when the opposing team has TWO freaking stars and another three-ball machine! If not that then at least get some pressure on the ball to slow them down!

That call with Matt looked set-up to me. There were guys setting screens for him. Maybe he was told to drive it to the whole in hopes of a foul? I don't know but should have never come down to that anyway!
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Calm down. ANY one would have taken Sims on a fade away three with a hand in his face. You don't stop the clock for free points when you're up by three. That game happens one out of a hundred times.


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Obviously Lick is going to say that he would have fouled him. What's he suppose to say...."Umm no, I actually am happy the way the game turned out. I wouldn't change a thing."

Give me a break.
 
HawkeyeRyno said:
You are right, Alford failed in these situations many times. Perhaps this is why I was so furious at Lickliter. If this was Alford again, most of us would be hammering Alford and be in agreement but I blame Lick (have cooled down) and all of you are hammering me! What's the difference when Alford did this?
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So basically the moral of the story is you posted when you were ******. Nice job.

Basketball is still basketball...you can talk about strategy all you want but the fact remains the shot was HIGHLY contested which is all you want out of your defense. The kid just happened to hit a phenomenal shot. But of course all you are focusing on is the end result and totally discounted how well we played and a superb effort by Fuller.

But hey its a message board...lets make sure every loss has the appropriate amount of blame assigned.
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HawkeyeRyno said:
Thanks for posting grandmahawk! Most of you hammered me for thinking this, and here Lick is stating he should've fouled.

I understand there were 18 seconds left, MU isn't a great three point shooting team and Harris isn't a great 3 ball shooter but the point I was making was we were up three and they have the last shot. So you know a two isn't going to win it, so why not put some pressure on the ball and make them work for it and then before they shoot the three - which they had hit ALL night - force them to the FT line instead of letting them have plenty of time to give there best player an open look?? Don't understand why I was hammered on this thought by so many. Lick regrets not doing that now. That's my problem, you have to ***** the situation at hand rather than look back on what you SHOULD HAVE done.
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Yeah he's saying knowing what I know now I'd change it. Well duh. The kid made the shot. That's why he said that.
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jparmley3 said:
Who are you referring too with that statement?

Perhaps it should have been worded "lack of talent". No offense.

When you lose, at home, to a mediocre ball club, when you have them on the ropes.....

When will enough be enough? Each game gets more painful.

And, yes, AZMess, I watched.

Some of it.

After all, American Idol was on and its Hollywood Week Part 2!
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If all you can focus on is just the L and not the fact that this is a totally different team than it was Dec. 1st then I feel sorry for you. And I was actually AT the game.
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Hey TMurph it's called strategy dipstick...you hear the announcers talk about it you'd hope a coach of 20+ years would know it. HOW AWFUL TO HAVE FAITH IN YOUR TEAM.... Shut the you know what up. Someone bust this gimp back to a freshman.
 
grandmahawk said:
Interesting Lick quote to shed some light on the foul / no foul question:

(from Morehouse's article)

“Knowing what I know now, should’ve fouled him,â€￾ Lickliter said. “ … I just know what didn’t work.â€￾

GALLERY: Iowa men scrap, but fall to Michigan in OT|GazetteOnline.com
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Good post Tweats...even Lickliter knows it. I think I even read his assistant's lips before coming out the the TO to say foul em.
 
HawkeyeRyno said:
Thanks for posting grandmahawk! Most of you hammered me for thinking this, and here Lick is stating he should've fouled.

I understand there were 18 seconds left, MU isn't a great three point shooting team and Harris isn't a great 3 ball shooter but the point I was making was we were up three and they have the last shot. So you know a two isn't going to win it, so why not put some pressure on the ball and make them work for it and then before they shoot the three - which they had hit ALL night - force them to the FT line instead of letting them have plenty of time to give there best player an open look?? Don't understand why I was hammered on this thought by so many. Lick regrets not doing that now. That's my problem, you have to ***** the situation at hand rather than look back on what you SHOULD HAVE done.
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Plus Sims only hit about 50% of his free throws on the night.
 
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