Love for weed has no negative consequences?

[tm3308]

Nope OP, the love of weed didn't cost DJK a fortune. His talent cost him a fortune. As someone has already posted: Randy Moss attitudes are overlooked in the NFL if the talent is there.

I wish guys would stop trying to stir the pot so to speak.

I understand the quick trigger to get rid of DJK after the pot smoking charge - this is something I think should be debated (corrected) at the U of I.

The culture -fans, administration- at the U of I is highly ideological. It's of a conservative nature. Prohibitions are placed on athletes at the U of I like at Notre Dame and Stanford (and Utah?).

I know Fran hadn't realized this when he recruited Hubbard for BBall.

The talent is there with DJK, too. The world of wide receiver talent is not divided into Randy Moss-level talent and guys that aren't good enough to make it. If that were the case, then Moss wouldn't have ever been anything special. A guy like Austin Collie, or Brandon Stokley, wouldn't probably get drafted if they had the baggage that DJK has. But they've both been just fine in the NFL. DJK has NFL-caliber talent, just like those guys do.

The guys like Randy Moss, who teams are willing to set aside their concerns for, are Hall of Fame-caliber talents.

 

[thejumper5]

The talent is there with DJK, too. The world of wide receiver talent is not divided into Randy Moss-level talent and guys that aren't good enough to make it. If that were the case, then Moss wouldn't have ever been anything special. A guy like Austin Collie, or Brandon Stokley, wouldn't probably get drafted if they had the baggage that DJK has. But they've both been just fine in the NFL. DJK has NFL-caliber talent, just like those guys do.

The guys like Randy Moss, who teams are willing to set aside their concerns for, are Hall of Fame-caliber talents.

But even Randy Moss had teams that weren't willing to take him because of his baggage. Moss had #1 pick talent in most years (probably not in 1998, Peyton went #1 that year), but fell to #21 and was the second WR taken after Kevin Dyson because of the baggage he had from his time in high school and college. As an NFL athlete, if you have drug and legal issues, it will almost always cost you; its just a matter of how much.

 

[olddude]

But even Randy Moss had teams that weren't willing to take him because of his baggage. Moss had #1 pick talent in most years (probably not in 1998, Peyton went #1 that year), but fell to #21 and was the second WR taken after Kevin Dyson because of the baggage he had from his time in high school and college. As an NFL athlete, if you have drug and legal issues, it will almost always cost you; its just a matter of how much.

Ok, then how much does it cost you? I mean from the stand point of the goverment, if I was them I would help the situation by.
#1 admitting it does have medical use.
#2 Tell the public that since it has medical use the FDA is testing it
#3 Also at the same time, because it does have medical use it is rescheduled.
#4 Since it has not been "properly studied" it is still illegal (but it does have medical use) I mean they are not doctors or scientist.
#5 Lower penalties to do with it.
#6 Mandate how much (with all fees and all together) a state may ticket someone with smaller amounts.
#7 Since many people are in prison for small amounts, they get to release them a little early (saving how many million??).

Or is that to hard??

If I was a lawyer, doctor, scientist or what ever I would fight for that, I mean isnt that your goal?

 

[okeefe4prez]

#7 Since many people are in prison for small amounts

Where, Dubai? I would be shocked if someone was in prison in the US solely on the basis of a dime.

 

[coonhawk]

I don't get what yall are talking about. I don't think weed is what any one should be worried about concerning DJK. He admitted to regular coke slash pill usage to the cops.

 

[dmShortSaledude]

Only an idiot would say that it has no consequences. Even 8 dollar an hour toilet cleaning jobs have drug tests.

DJK passed his drug test. And as a result got a job. I believe you are referring to Christian Ballard...Who will be a multi-millionaire... And if I had to bet DJK will be as well. Although they will have to work a little extra harder to earn it. Lesson learned.

 

[uofihawkInation]

If weed were the only reason DJK isn't in the NFL, Christian Ballard wouldn't be there either. Failing a drug test that you know you have to take vs. just getting caught.

 

[NewMexHawk]

The swimmer (can't remember his name) who won all the gold medals in the last Olympics smokes weed. Not only did he win the most Olympic gold medals in one Olympics but is about to win the most gold medals of any athlete in Olympic history.

Guess he isn't doing to badly smoking weed and his endorsements have/will make him a very rich man. Not bad for a toker. AND does America care if he smokes weed? No...

 

[racerhawk]

The swimmer (can't remember his name) who won all the gold medals in the last Olympics smokes weed. Not only did he win the most Olympic gold medals in one Olympics but is about to win the most gold medals of any athlete in Olympic history.

Guess he isn't doing to badly smoking weed and his endorsements have/will make him a very rich man. Not bad for a toker. AND does America care if he smokes weed? No...

I doubt that Michael Phelps is a daily pot smoker. He probably had it a certain number of times at parties. That guy wouldn't want to sacrifice his massive aerobic engine.

He wasn't in training at the time, and he toked up. Daily smoking would absolutely harm his athletic performance. In football, in might not be as critical, as a high aerobic capacity is much less important.

 

[olddude]

Where, Dubai? I would be shocked if someone was in prison in the US solely on the basis of a dime.

Here is an interesting site. State By State Laws - NORML
What I am saying is compare Iowa to even MN. There is no set rules and I think it's time for the Feds to step in and "regulate" better. Also I find it just plain retarded that if a person with cancer lives in a state where they can get a scrip for pot, drives thru a state (like Iowa) they could go to jail for 6 months for any amount. That has many effects. The Feds need to acknowledge it is time for something to change and be proactive about it. They know it has medical use, heck they were ordered by a judge to reschedule it, they just refuse to (can we hold them in contempt??). You being a lawyer know what all this means and how long it will take to battle it out in court. So we spend millions of tax dollars to do nothing more than keep doctors and scientist hands tied, futher hindering the science and medical fields.
In the end if you think all of this does not affect what happened to DJK, I think you need to think about it harder.

 

[PCBHAWK]

I'm moving to Maine

 

[PCBHAWK]

Where, Dubai? I would be shocked if someone was in prison in the US solely on the basis of a dime.

A dime? You are a hippie !!

If you have 20 grams in Florida you are going to be charged with felony. In Maine you can grow 25 plants (about 12lbs) in your backyard. If caught, you would get a citation, like a traffic ticket.

Weed should be legal to grow and use on your property. Give out tickets if it leaves your property or you are driving under the influence.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Wide receivers with DJK's talent are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Marginal players don't get the benefit of the doubt....unless Fran is recruiting them.

 

[CraigTNelson]

Wide receivers with DJK's talent are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Marginal players don't get the benefit of the doubt....unless Fran is recruiting them.

Yep

 

[olddude]

Yep

Since you guys think the "crime equals the punishment" I assume that you have no problems with people in office or in the police force, get 10 times the max penalty for drug or drunk driving charges then right? They make the laws and enforce them so they should know them better and be held to a way higher standard right? (I know a judge the still sits at the bench and he had an OWI.)
Smoking a little weed should not cost anyone their job or opportunity. I am not saying allow it at break time or anything, I am saying, what a man does in his own house on his own time is his business. I am saying the laws are outdated and simply do not reflect what the people want and the laws simply do not work. DJK is just one example of that. There is a doctor and lawyer (husband and wife) in CA that cant practice anymore because they smoke. Just plain stupid if you ask me.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Since you guys think the "crime equals the punishment" I assume that you have no problems with people in office or in the police force, get 10 times the max penalty for drug or drunk driving charges then right? They make the laws and enforce them so they should know them better and be held to a way higher standard right? (I know a judge the still sits at the bench and he had an OWI.)
Smoking a little weed should not cost anyone their job or opportunity. I am not saying allow it at break time or anything, I am saying, what a man does in his own house on his own time is his business. I am saying the laws are outdated and simply do not reflect what the people want and the laws simply do not work. DJK is just one example of that. There is a doctor and lawyer (husband and wife) in CA that cant practice anymore because they smoke. Just plain stupid if you ask me.

What are you talking about? If you have two equal candidates for a job and one of them was recently arrested in a pretty newsworthy manner, which one are you going to hire?

It's a no brainer, DJK was a marginal NFL player to begin with and having major character concerns aren't going to help him get a job in the league. That's how the world works, now go smoke some weed and calm down.

 

[HawkAttack]

If weed were the only reason DJK isn't in the NFL, Christian Ballard wouldn't be there either. Failing a drug test that you know you have to take vs. just getting caught.

This.

DJK hasn't signed yet because he has marginal NFL talent and KF did not give the glowing recommendation that the other Iowa players almost always get.

Marginal NFL talent + words of caution from his highly respected college coach = tough to find a roster spot in the NFL

I hope DJK works his butt off and keeps his nose clean because I always enjoy watching former Hawks in the NFL, but he has an uphill battle right now. I think his relatively poor performance during his private workouts indicated to the NFL scouts present that he probably didn't workout very hard between his suspension and his 'Pro Day' which is not going to look very good to NFL teams needing help at WR.

Just my $.02

 

[olddude]

What are you talking about? If you have two equal candidates for a job and one of them was recently arrested in a pretty newsworthy manner, which one are you going to hire?

It's a no brainer, DJK was a marginal NFL player to begin with and having major character concerns aren't going to help him get a job in the league. That's how the world works, now go smoke some weed and calm down.

I understand that, but if it applies to hiring, shouldnt it apply to when you are at a position as well? Shouldnt some positions be held to a higher standard? Some college kid smoking pot is hardly a tragedy. Not nearly as wrong as oh I dont know a cop and his woman getting high and calling 911. Thats my point, if DJK is suspect, to losing that much as a college football player, shouldnt adults who are well educated and are in a more authoritative position stand to lose more?? Or even just as much?
If you are saying he would have not gotten a better offer, no matter what, thats one thing. I think what you are saying is he wasnt going first round anyway AND the charges against him did not help. I am saying if it did indeed "cost" him than shouldnt "other people" be held even more accountable due to their positions, when and if they get arrested or charged for drugs/ drunk driving?

 

[olddude]

This.

DJK hasn't signed yet because he has marginal NFL talent and KF did not give the glowing recommendation that the other Iowa players almost always get.

Marginal NFL talent + words of caution from his highly respected college coach = tough to find a roster spot in the NFL

I hope DJK works his butt off and keeps his nose clean because I always enjoy watching former Hawks in the NFL, but he has an uphill battle right now. I think his relatively poor performance during his private workouts indicated to the NFL scouts present that he probably didn't workout very hard between his suspension and his 'Pro Day' which is not going to look very good to NFL teams needing help at WR.

Just my $.02

This is how I feel about the whole DJK thing as well. If he was better, he would get picked up, point blank. This whole smoking pot cost him is dumb. If it did, thats just wrong and I tried pointing that out.

 

[tm3308]

This is how I feel about the whole DJK thing as well. If he was better, he would get picked up, point blank. This whole smoking pot cost him is dumb. If it did, thats just wrong and I tried pointing that out.

The way I look at it, the pot cost him. His talent level is hardly elite, but neither is the talent level of plenty of receivers who have had respectable careers in the league. He can't control his talent. What he could control were the choices he made. He chose to get involved in drugs. If he hadn't done that, he gets drafted and probably has a solid career as a slot receiver.

If you're going to say his talent cost him, then you have to believe that he was never getting drafted anyway, even without the baggage. That simply isn't the case.