Love for weed has no negative consequences?

olddude said:
Short version, YES. All meds have side affects. A lady here in Iowa has beaten cancer 3 times with nothing more than pot. Science is now showing it kills cancer cells and I know for a FACT it is less harmful when dealing with nerve damage than taking scrip pain killers. You can use a vaporizer and get rid of the "smoking" aspect of it.
Legalize it or for meds only is a different convo.
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Or eat it, or take it in a pill, or liquid form.
 
MJ may not have serious medical/psychiatric sequalae in most people. However, some people are vulnerable, and MJ definitely causes problems for them (people with mood disorders, psychotic disorders, etc). I see this every day.

Having said that, I don't think it makes so much sense to have a "war on marijuana" because it doesn't work, and clogs up our justice system with MJ smokers.

I think that people need to be educated on it. Some people think it's harmless (they're wrong). Others think it's terribly harmful (also probably wrong, but depends upon the individual).

Education about the Mary Jane should be done by people who actually know what they're talking about, not someone who says "I smoke it and don't have problems...same with my friends."

I think we should legalize it and then use a bit of that money to educate people.

DJK did lose himself some money in the draft.
 
racerhawk said:
MJ may not have serious medical/psychiatric sequalae in most people. However, some people are vulnerable, and MJ definitely causes problems for them (people with mood disorders, psychotic disorders, etc). I see this every day.

Having said that, I don't think it makes so much sense to have a "war on marijuana" because it doesn't work, and clogs up our justice system with MJ smokers.

I think that people need to be educated on it. Some people think it's harmless (they're wrong). Others think it's terribly harmful (also probably wrong, but depends upon the individual).

Education about the Mary Jane should be done by people who actually know what they're talking about, not someone who says "I smoke it and don't have problems...same with my friends."

I think we should legalize it and then use a bit of that money to educate people.

DJK did lose himself some money in the draft.
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Once again, No one said that quote in the OP, it was made up.
 
olddude said:
Short version, YES. All meds have side affects. A lady here in Iowa has beaten cancer 3 times with nothing more than pot. Science is now showing it kills cancer cells and I know for a FACT it is less harmful when dealing with nerve damage than taking scrip pain killers. You can use a vaporizer and get rid of the "smoking" aspect of it.
Legalize it or for meds only is a different convo.
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It can certainly be helpful for certain conditions, as you noted above. It improves appetite and controls pain in cancer patients.

However, it isn't "healthy" to smoke anything.

THC also comes in a pill form, which is interesting.
 
DexterMorgan said:
Once again, No one said that quote in the OP, it was made up.
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I didn't say that someone said it in the OP. I'm suggesting that many people DO say that. Relax.

Edit: I should say that I hear that quote nearly every day by psychiatric patients. I didn't intend to attribute it to you in any way...
 
CAARHawk said:
People are overrating DJK. He did break the Iowa record, but that record is not that remarkable compared to other schools. He didn't run all that well in his pro tryouts. He quit on a lot of plays that ended up being INTs. And the kickoff return against OSU was NOT Hester, Jackson, or Cribs worthy.

He was a productive college player with decent size and speed.

But his cone, 20 yd, and 60 yd shuttles were well below the normal standards of drafted players. This makes him a borderline prospect.

Now, borderline prospects get drafted out of Iowa. But those guys get the benefit of KF. DJK definitely didn't get that. It might have been the thing that could have put him over the top to get drafted, but it wasn't the only reason he didn't get drafted.
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Of course his return against OSU was not Hester or Jackson worthy. But the NFL takes a toll on guys and Hester is way slower today than he was a few years ago and Jackson has suffered some injuries and ain't getting younger. DJK ain't a game breaker by any stretch of the imagination at the NFL level, but maybe playing for money and the arrest will build up his maturity level and work ethic and if that happens, I see no reason he couldn't have a fine career as a slot receiver in 4 wide sets and a backup kick returner when Jackson misses his 4 or 5 games a year due to injury or resting before the playoffs. The pros put way too much emphasis on measurables and what guys do out of pads on a few days during scouting - remember Bob Sanders sliding because he was "too short?" We've all seen that DJK has decent football speed and is pretty decent at finding space. If he improves his run blocking (which is already fairly solid) and ditches the sort of Randy Mossian attitude of giving up on plays, he can easily hang in the League long enough to stack that pension barring injury, which given the hardships he has dealt with his family situation would make him a phenomenal Iowa football success story. Maybe even getting cut from a team would be a helluva wake up call for the guy to mature further and a year in arena ball playing WR/DB would improve his route running and give him a skillset that would make him a valuable special teams player.

There's definitely a spot for a guy like him in the League no matter what the stopwatch says.
 
whammer33024 said:
"I know many daily marijuana users that have never spent time in jail."

that is the original quote dexter used in a different thread. just getting the facts straight
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What is this original thread? I don't recall any conversation I have had that was marijuana related, and I am pretty upset that the OP went after me for no reason.
 
racerhawk said:
It can certainly be helpful for certain conditions, as you noted above. It improves appetite and controls pain in cancer patients.

However, it isn't "healthy" to smoke anything.

THC also comes in a pill form, which is interesting.
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Yes, but the problem is, it is not only the thc that makes it work. I agree smoking is not good for you, but the pill form is a fail. Biggest problem you have is the goverment wants thier money.
They have been trying to isolate why it works for awhile now, but mother nature does not want to give up all her secrets. Even if they did figure it out, why should you have to buy their version and get it approved thru prescrip plan (raising ins. even more) when like people have said, you could grow the HERB and mix it with some food or tea or whatever? If anyone cares to, I suggest you start with looking up the definition of pot, then herb (pot is listed as a herb). That right there should make you question why it is illegal. Then research the cancer killing abilities of it and while your there research where those labs get their pot from and what they have to say about it, is the goverment helping or hindering the science process of it all. Look up how many people od on it and so on and so on.
I have not dove into the "mental" aspect of it, but I think that is the modern day version of refer madness. I know one kid (20 something) that is whacked, but if he is high he is fine. I knew a few like that growing up as well. So while I cant say for sure as I have not done enough research on that side of it, the whole mental aspect of it I feel is blown out of proportion.
Only reason I know so much about it, is because I researched it to become more educated on it and help lawyers fight the goverment. Because believe it or not, your goverment does not always tell you the truth, I know surprise, right.
 
MultipleDundieAwardWinner said:
What is this original thread? I don't recall any conversation I have had that was marijuana related, and I am pretty upset that the OP went after me for no reason.
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It was the thread that sparked into the racist conversation after someone said that Hampton was going to end up in jail because he was an African american that smokes weed.

I'm obviously paraphrasing here.

Think it was titled. Wegher, Robinson, Hampton or something like that.
 
olddude said:
Yes, but the problem is, it is not only the thc that makes it work. I agree smoking is not good for you, but the pill form is a fail. Biggest problem you have is the goverment wants thier money.
They have been trying to isolate why it works for awhile now, but mother nature does not want to give up all her secrets. Even if they did figure it out, why should you have to buy their version and get it approved thru prescrip plan (raising ins. even more) when like people have said, you could grow the HERB and mix it with some food or tea or whatever? If anyone cares to, I suggest you start with looking up the definition of pot, then herb (pot is listed as a herb). That right there should make you question why it is illegal. Then research the cancer killing abilities of it and while your there research where those labs get their pot from and what they have to say about it, is the goverment helping or hindering the science process of it all. Look up how many people od on it and so on and so on.
I have not dove into the "mental" aspect of it, but I think that is the modern day version of refer madness. I know one kid (20 something) that is whacked, but if he is high he is fine. I knew a few like that growing up as well. So while I cant say for sure as I have not done enough research on that side of it, the whole mental aspect of it I feel is blown out of proportion.
Only reason I know so much about it, is because I researched it to become more educated on it and help lawyers fight the goverment. Because believe it or not, your goverment does not always tell you the truth, I know surprise, right.
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Saw some HBO special years ago about the positive effects marijuana can have in certain people. There was this lady in her late 20s or early 30s. Had a stuttering problem so bad she couldn't put 3 words together. Smoked some reefer and could talk just fine.
 
DexterMorgan said:
Saw some HBO special years ago about the positive effects marijuana can have in certain people. There was this lady in her late 20s or early 30s. Had a stuttering problem so bad she couldn't put 3 words together. Smoked some reefer and could talk just fine.
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Ms patients also. In situations like that or with nerve damage it has to do with the receptors in the brain. They get over loaded with bad or just plain to much info and the mind can not process it all correctly. Now I am no brain expert but that is the laymans way of it, (the way I understand it).
I knew a kid whose eyes shuttered from side to side really fast, since he was born. Smoked and it all but stopped, as soon as it wore off it would start again. I also know an older guy whose whole family has died of cancer (at young ages), he has been smoking for 30 plus years and is as healthy as anybody. Just saying it deserves some attention.
 
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DexterMorgan said:
It was the thread that sparked into the racist conversation after someone said that Hampton was going to end up in jail because he was an African american that smokes weed.

I'm obviously paraphrasing here.

Think it was titled. Wegher, Robinson, Hampton or something like that.
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I didn't even look at that thread, saying nothing of posting in it. Alex Zelada, you're pathetic.
 
olddude said:
Yes, but the problem is, it is not only the thc that makes it work. I agree smoking is not good for you, but the pill form is a fail. Biggest problem you have is the goverment wants thier money.
They have been trying to isolate why it works for awhile now, but mother nature does not want to give up all her secrets. Even if they did figure it out, why should you have to buy their version and get it approved thru prescrip plan (raising ins. even more) when like people have said, you could grow the HERB and mix it with some food or tea or whatever? If anyone cares to, I suggest you start with looking up the definition of pot, then herb (pot is listed as a herb). That right there should make you question why it is illegal. Then research the cancer killing abilities of it and while your there research where those labs get their pot from and what they have to say about it, is the goverment helping or hindering the science process of it all. Look up how many people od on it and so on and so on.
I have not dove into the "mental" aspect of it, but I think that is the modern day version of refer madness. I know one kid (20 something) that is whacked, but if he is high he is fine. I knew a few like that growing up as well. So while I cant say for sure as I have not done enough research on that side of it, the whole mental aspect of it I feel is blown out of proportion.
Only reason I know so much about it, is because I researched it to become more educated on it and help lawyers fight the goverment. Because believe it or not, your goverment does not always tell you the truth, I know surprise, right.
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Thanks for the interesting post.

With regard to mental illness and marijuana, it is definitely not something that is blown out of proportion. Perhaps the media and lay people blow it out of proportion, but not mental health professionals. Certain mood disorders and psychotic disorders are not helped at all by chronic MJ consumption.

I manage a psychiatric unit, and have seen thousands and thousands of psych patients over the years. I've read a fair amount of literature on the topic, and work daily with addictionologists and psychiatrists.

I think that there are certainly beneficial aspects of MJ, but psychiatric patients need to be very careful with MJ because it can exacerbate their psychiatric symptoms. I see it every day. Unfortuantely, there is a culture out there that sees MJ as completely harmless, which it is not.

Having said that, alcohol and prescription pain medications pose a much bigger problem (just to put it into context). Thanks for the post.
 
racerhawk said:
Thanks for the interesting post.

With regard to mental illness and marijuana, it is definitely not something that is blown out of proportion. Perhaps the media and lay people blow it out of proportion, but not mental health professionals. Certain mood disorders and psychotic disorders are not helped at all by chronic MJ consumption.

I manage a psychiatric unit, and have seen thousands and thousands of psych patients over the years. I've read a fair amount of literature on the topic, and work daily with addictionologists and psychiatrists.

I think that there are certainly beneficial aspects of MJ, but psychiatric patients need to be very careful with MJ because it can exacerbate their psychiatric symptoms. I see it every day. Unfortuantely, there is a culture out there that sees MJ as completely harmless, which it is not.

Having said that, alcohol and prescription pain medications pose a much bigger problem (just to put it into context). Thanks for the post.
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Than you know more about that side of it than I do. I could see where it could be very bad for some. I do not subscribe to the notion it is without faults. We are on the same page here, it does help some and it doesnt others. Heck the sun gives us vitamins, but that does not mean you should be in it 15 hrs a day everyday either. People like to over indulge.
What I think I know about the mental side of it is, it seems like the high potency modern day hydro with added chemicals (pot farming) seems to have a worse affect on the people you are refering to. Just the same as the pill being a fail, once you change the makeup of it, it does not work the same. I have a extremly low tolerance to added chemicals as do my brothers, my body tells me right away if to much "grow" chemicals have been added to plants. Thats why I have a big garden, I just dont trust what other people are putting in my food. Max yield, max profit just does not = good food, so why would another plant like pot be any different?
If you have ever had a steak where the cow was never injected with anything, not even antibiotics, you know exactly what I am saying.
 
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olddude said:
Than you know more about that side of it than I do. I could see where it could be very bad for some. I do not subscribe to the notion it is without faults. We are on the same page here, it does help some and it doesnt others. Heck the sun gives us vitamins, but that does not mean you should be in it 15 hrs a day everyday either. People like to over indulge.
What I think I know about the mental side of it is, it seems like the high potency modern day hydro with added chemicals (pot farming) seems to have a worse affect on the people you are refering to. Just the same as the pill being a fail, once you change the makeup of it, it does not work the same. I have a extremly low tolerance to added chemicals as do my brothers, my body tells me right away if to much "grow" chemicals have been added to plants. Thats why I have a big garden, I just dont trust what other people are putting in my food. Max yield, max profit just does not = good food, so why would another plant like pot be any different?
If you have ever had a steak where the cow was never injected with anything, not even antibiotics, you know exactly what I am saying.
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Good points. when I grew up, my parents had a big garden. I don't have one now, but am considering starting one.

Do you have really big, leafy green herbs in your garden? :)
 
racerhawk said:
Good points. when I grew up, my parents had a big garden. I don't have one now, but am considering starting one.

Do you have really big, leafy green herbs in your garden? :)
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No, I do not. I wish I could. Moving to CO next year. :)
But I eat corn, tomatoes, peppers all year around out of the garden, I also eat potatoes, carrots, ect for as long as they will keep. I end up buying taters and such for about 3-4 months out of the year.
I was raised that way as well and I have often wondered if that is'nt why people in my family have adverse reactions to food with alot of chemicals in it. Meds seem to affect people in my family harshly as well. Almost any med I have taken has had such bad side affects and very strong side affects as well. Some context on this is, I bet I have only taken asprin 4 times in my life for a headache. It is an interesting thing to me, but that is because it affects me so. And no I was not rasied by hippies, we were just broke and my mom liked to garden. They were/are very much anti drug, anti chemical. Heck my mom could get lite off one or two beers thru out her whole life. She didnt drink caffeine or alcohol for the last 10-15 years of her life and died before she was 70 (63). The only thing she had problems with and I do as well is putting down the cancer sticks. Never had anyone in the family get cancer but ALOT of them are on oxygen at a young age.
 
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