AnyoneButYou
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I thought getting a transfer was "not doing it right"? Boy, times have changed when you can't get a D1 recruit.
Lachance to Vanderbilt....
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MeatMan
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Yes, IMO that is the mark of a good recruiter. Finding good players.
MeatMan
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man, that was a good thread!
Cartwright was a juco transfer, Hubbard was a juco transfer, Uthoff is a D-1 transfer, are you saying this is something new?
sportstalent
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Okay so people are ticked off that Fran has offered kids early that have blown up in rankings and gotten big time offers.
Saw Trey Burke once and said he was the best guard he had seen in awhile.
Offered Tyus Jones first.
Continues to offer kids early that end up being special.
Maybe he is setting his own recruiting bar too high and should stay away from younger players...
What is wrong with this picture here folks?
It isn't Fran or the staff...it is still the perception of Iowa that is haunting Iowa...the last decade still isn't that far behind.
Saw Trey Burke once and said he was the best guard he had seen in awhile.
Offered Tyus Jones first.
Continues to offer kids early that end up being special.
Maybe he is setting his own recruiting bar too high and should stay away from younger players...
What is wrong with this picture here folks?
It isn't Fran or the staff...it is still the perception of Iowa that is haunting Iowa...the last decade still isn't that far behind.
Reading this post makes me think Fran might be one of the best recruiters around. The dude can sniff out talent.
MeatMan
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good perspective.
sportstalent
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You hit the nail on the head and I would have posted more guys like Eric Katenda, whom he offered first and became at Top 100 player, but went to Notre Dame (No career due to an eye injury).
The guy knows talent and exactly what he is looking for, it isn't his fault that not everything has went his way, it happens.
At Iowa the facts are, one good class then a guessing game for a couple years. If Iowa can have a Top 30 class every three years they will be in the NCAA tournament a whole bunch with Fran as coach. Not only can he spot talent, he can coach, the results are speaking for themselves. Iowa has just not put itself in a position to make the NCAA tournament yet, losing some key games like at Nebraska last year and not quite getting over the hump beating some better teams in conference like the year before. Take last year's non-con record and the prior year conference wins and record, they are a tournament team.
It is going to happen, just a matter of time.
I love where the program is at right now and am ready to see it go to new heights, hopefully, this season.
There are a ton of other kids that I can list that Fran offered early, Prince Ibeh is another C at Texas, blew up his junior year in AAU and ended up a Top 80 prospect, Iowa was the first major school to offer.
I am done, the soapbox has been kicked, just sick of the worthless drivel about losing out of good prospects when Iowa has a roster filled with players that a lot of fans outside of Iowa had no clue who they were when they committed and is going to be one of the better teams in the Big Ten this season.
The fact is, who three years ago would have believed that Iowa would have a chance for a kid like Ulis and be honest?
Being able to locate fresh produce, doesn't make one a chef. Finding talent is great, but when you lose that talent to other school, it kind of creates a moot point.
So Fran is a great recruiter because Trey Burke was really good for Michigan?
MeatMan
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you're right, more like great talent scout. also, chill out a bit, we get what you think we just don't agree that it's as bleak as you do.
sportstalent
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Do you remember who Burke originally was going to play for?
Also, he was ranked below the Top 100.
The actual wording from Fran I believe was, he was the best player on the court everytime I watched him. I know he wanted Burke as soon as he opened his commitment back up, but he went to the school where he was very familiar with a guy on the staff.
If all you got out of it was Trey Burke then you missed the point entirely anyway...jump now please.
I looked it up, he committed to Penn State.
He was ranked 142nd, but I'm not sure why you are quizzing me on these things.
It doesn't matter why he went to Michigan, my point was that having a great eye for talent, is only part of the battle. I don't think anyone doubts Fran can identify talent.
I'm not sure where you want me to jump to?
My main point is this, Fran will probably need to find another assistant with mid-west connections, and the ability to actually land recruits, or he will suffer through more classes of watching guys you jumped on early, committing to other places.
Some people, like yourself, will sit back and use that as evidence of how awesome this staff is at recruiting. More power to you.
As to MeatMan, your point is well met, I've said me peace and I am done.
MeatMan
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this is one year that is down. he got a really good transfer last year and what looks like a good shooter in Jok. if next year he can't land any impact players, then we have a problem for sure. i'm not ready to go that far yet. and i think with an NCAA tourney birth he will get these type of players next year. i guess we'll have to see how it all plays out.
BrueCrew3
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You beat me to it.
This year and next, I expect Iowa to be in the Dance. That will help recruiting immensely. Yes .. it would have been great to get 1 or 2 top 100 players. But there are still diamonds in the rough that nobody has heard of that Fran will have a chance at.
Things will be fine. I'm looking forward to a good year this year, a good recruiting class next year, and then a continued upswing in Hawkeye basketball.
GO HAWKS!!!
Clayton Custer refutes that statement alone
1977Hawkeye
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I trust Fran and so far, he has given me no reason to doubt him, but I think the jury is still out on how far he can take our program. Can he get us to that "next level" (you can go ahead and smack me for using that term), or are we going to peak more or less where we are now?
Guess what I DON'T want to see happen is Fran sign a bunch of second or third rate recruits because he couldn't get the first set of guys he wants, just because the scholarships are there. I know Fran has stated that he "doesn't recruit projects" but we'll see if he sticks to his guns, or if the necessity of putting a team on the floor makes him change his tune.
I expect Iowa to make the NCAA Tournament this year, and I expect that to help in recruiting. But if/when that happens, I'd like to have plenty of scholarships available for better talent, rather than having already used them all on mid-major talent.
That said, I'm not real privy to Iowa's scholarship situation the next year or two, even if Fran signs a few players to the 2014 class. Maybe it's not a big concern? I'll let someone else answer that.. And I apologize in advance if that has already been discussed here. I didn't read all 6 pages of this thread.
Guess what I DON'T want to see happen is Fran sign a bunch of second or third rate recruits because he couldn't get the first set of guys he wants, just because the scholarships are there. I know Fran has stated that he "doesn't recruit projects" but we'll see if he sticks to his guns, or if the necessity of putting a team on the floor makes him change his tune.
I expect Iowa to make the NCAA Tournament this year, and I expect that to help in recruiting. But if/when that happens, I'd like to have plenty of scholarships available for better talent, rather than having already used them all on mid-major talent.
That said, I'm not real privy to Iowa's scholarship situation the next year or two, even if Fran signs a few players to the 2014 class. Maybe it's not a big concern? I'll let someone else answer that.. And I apologize in advance if that has already been discussed here. I didn't read all 6 pages of this thread.
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