Kirk Ferentz vs Hayden Fry

Iowa: 60-36 regular season (.625) / 61-42 overall (.592) / (1) season > 9 wins / 1-5 in bowl games.

NwU: 57-39 regular season (.594) / 59-42 overall (.584) / (3) seasons > 9 wins / 2-3 in bowl games.

The stronger program is a debate. That Iowa and NwU are nearly exact peers is indisputable. If that's not disturbing enough, NwU is the clear winner when you factor in the intangibles, like, academics, resources and facilities, fan support, and generally doing more with less.

I dispute the resources, facilities, and fan support part. jNW is better in most areas of academics most would say, I cant say because I have never measured it, but it is what I think is correct. I think you mean athletic resources and facilities and in that case Iowa brings in more money and has better facilities. Fan support you have to be kidding as there are usually only about 30K jNW fans at their home games and I have heard they do not travel well to bowl games. Tell me what I am wrong about here.
 
KF's bare cup board.

A Kampen
J Baker
Matt Bowen
K Hill
L Bets
K. Kasper
E Steinbeck
L Woods
Others?

12-21 Career coach before Iowa?

Please be more direct as I dont know what you mean in your post. I am not following and would like to know your meaning. Is it that KF has produced a lot of good players who no one else would take in P5?
 
Fry - 'Scratch where it itches.'
KF - Execution.

Fry schemes according to the circumstances of a game.
KF schemes regardless of the circumstances of the game.

This describes 2 men
One is rational and lives in the real world
One has an irrational stubbornness born out of inflexibility
 
The cupboards wasnt exactly bare when KF came.
You are correct there were some good players. I just feel HF stayed a hair to long and KF is well beyond that. After 19yrs he still veiws the program as developmental. To me that will never equal consistent 9 or more wins per season and he is ok with giving us average product. These last few years he should be maintaining not keep developing. The frickin wheel is as round as it will ever get how many people are out trying to make it rounder? I think at this point his worst records should be 8-4 on down years!
 
I'll go with Hayden as being the better coach and program director all day long.

I grew up with the Hawks in the 60s and 70s. There wasn't a bigger doormat in the country than Iowa.

The program was dead. A laughing stock. We got scheduled for a lot of homecomings.

Hayden not only changed all that on the field, he laid the foundation for KF off the field...in terms of big time donor support, renovations, recruiting, University attitude towards the program, brand marketing, etc.

I'm in no way demeaning what KF has done. For the most part, he's kept us competitive and relevant.

Hayden got us there.
 
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Also important to remember in HF's earlier days, there wasn't the proliferation of minor bowls as there are today. Not even close.

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Iowa.htm

Iowa didn't schedule a Drake or NIU until 1985. Before that, every years' schedules were loaded. There weren't many nonconf patsies until the mid 90s IMO.

Post season-->If you look at some of the earlier bowl games Iowa went to, it took eight wins to get there. A far cry from today. Those bowl slots were earned, not given.
 
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I'll go with Hayden as being the better coach and program director all day long.

I grew up with the Hawks in the 60s and 70s. There wasn't a bigger doormat in the country than Iowa.

The program was dead. A laughing stock. We got scheduled for a lot of homecomings.

Hayden not only changed all that on the field, he laid the foundation for KF off the field...in terms of big time donor support, renovations, recruiting, University attitude towards the program, brand marketing, etc.

I'm in no way demeaning what KF has done. He's kept up competitive and relevant. Hayden got us there.


Yep exactly and the fact is KF has maintained it.. So now I guess people feel Iowa’s next hire takes us to a completely other level and I’m very skeptical that happens. I will be happy if it does but not getting my hopes up..
 
Yep exactly and the fact is KF has maintained it.. So now I guess people feel Iowa’s next hire takes us to a completely other level and I’m very skeptical that happens. I will be happy if it does but not getting my hopes up..
I'm sure we'll be late to the Jim Leonhard show and settle for Ferentz part two.
 
And if Hayden Fry would not have hung on like he did we wouldn’t have been late to the game for Stoops :cool:..
Lol we missed out on Stoops because Bowlsby told him Iowa had to interview Ferentz before Stoops could accept the job, so Stoops said "fine, I'll take the Oklahoma job."
It had absolutely nothing to do with Hayden Fry coaching too long.
 
Lol we missed out on Stoops because Bowlsby told him Iowa had to interview Ferentz before Stoops could accept the job, so Stoops said "fine, I'll take the Oklahoma job."
It had absolutely nothing to do with Hayden Fry coaching too long.

I understand the Stoops/Bowlsby scenario when Fry retired but had he retired sooner which many where ready prior to 99 my guess is Stoops walks into Iowa with no worries from any other program. Stoops wanted the Iowa gig badly but refused to play the game with BB due to his offer and interview with OU. so yes It had everything to do with Timing and how long Fry coached...
 
I understand the Stoops/Bowlsby scenario when Fry retired but had he retired sooner which many where ready prior to 99 my guess is Stoops walks into Iowa with no worries from any other program. Stoops wanted the Iowa gig badly but refused to play the game with BB due to his offer and interview with OU. so yes It had everything to do with Timing and how long Fry coached...
Nice job doubling down on that idiocy. o_O
 
I understand the Stoops/Bowlsby scenario when Fry retired but had he retired sooner which many where ready prior to 99 my guess is Stoops walks into Iowa with no worries from any other program. Stoops wanted the Iowa gig badly but refused to play the game with BB due to his offer and interview with OU. so yes It had everything to do with Timing and how long Fry coached...

You are incorrect.
 
The cupboards wasnt exactly bare when KF came.

Yes, H Fry was ill and out of energy. There were players there in 1998 but iifc Devries got injured early and he was the beast on the LOS. Little pash rush after that. I cant remember but was colin cole a Fry recruit?
 
Yes, H Fry was ill and out of energy. There were players there in 1998 but iifc Devries got injured early and he was the beast on the LOS. Little pash rush after that. I cant remember but was colin cole a Fry recruit?

Cole came in 1999 unless he red shirted which I don't think he did. Would make him a KF recruit.
 
good post.

Fry was about establishing the run and developing the passing game from that. throwing to the TE was a staple. the 'wide open offense' thing is curious, at best. he was never a BYU, a Houston, etc. you can find him saying such on youtube clips - being run first to open up the passing game. just like the current staff.
Disagree with that. Fry famously "scratched where it itches", meaning he passed when he had to and ran depending on the defense. Kirk almost never makes that adjustment.
 
I dispute the resources, facilities, and fan support part. jNW is better in most areas of academics most would say, I cant say because I have never measured it, but it is what I think is correct. I think you mean athletic resources and facilities and in that case Iowa brings in more money and has better facilities. Fan support you have to be kidding as there are usually only about 30K jNW fans at their home games and I have heard they do not travel well to bowl games. Tell me what I am wrong about here.

I meant that, when you factor in how much more Iowa has in terms of resources, facilities and fan support and the higher academic standards that NwU has to overcome, the "better program" starts to tip in NwU's favor because they are doing almost exactly as well as Iowa over the last 8 years.
 

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