ArvadaHawk
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zero question about it.
Kirk Ferentz vs Hayden Fry
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zero question about it.
HawkPrdatr40
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HawkPrdatr40
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Than why didn’t Fry accomplish more and take Iowa to a higher level than?? because the reality and fact is that KF had seasons that have surpassed what Fry Accomplished..
ArvadaHawk
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This gets old about HF and leaving nothing. From the Chicago Tribune:
(Lightfoot was on the 02 team as a starter. Eric Steinbach 9 NFL seasons and a starter on 02. Oliver had 57 receptions at Iowa and was on the 01 team and had 18 receptions that year. Johnson played 22 games his fr and senior year 02.
Massaguoi was dismissed from the team. The cupboard was not bare.
Maybe Iowa hired an inexperienced head coach who was 12-21 at his former head coaching gig?
It was quite a year for high school football talent in the Chicago area.
Too bad not much of it plans to stick around.
UCLA came all the way to New Lenox for its quarterback of the future, Lincoln-Way's Cory Paus.
Michigan added Addison Trail's Dan Rumishek and Bolingbrook's Todd Howard to a recruiting class being acknowledged among the top three in the nation.
Penn State landed the No. 1 prospect in Illinois, Waubonsie Valley tight end R.J. Luke.
But Iowa came away with the biggest cache of all in All-Staters Siaka Massaquoi of Evanston and Eric Steinbach of Providence, second-team All-Staters Chris Oliver of Homewood-Flossmoor and Andy Lightfoot of Maine West plus special mention All-Stater D.J. Johnson of Naperville Central and late-blooming John Omotola of H-F.
Recruits will begin signing letters of intent to colleges Wednesday, the first day of the football signing period.
"We did better than we expected," said Iowa assistant coach and ex-Wheaton North and ex-Detroit Lion quarterback Chuck Long. "We knew Chicago would have an excellent recruiting class, and (coach) Hayden Fry made it a high priority."
Fry's down-home approach and the "Hayden hug" won over the Hawkeyes' prime objective, Massaquoi.
"I chose Iowa over Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame and Northwestern because, well, coach Fry was the only coach who hugged me," said Massaquoi, who rushed for 2,035 yards and 29 touchdowns last fall. "Everyone at Iowa took more of a personal approach. On my visit, the Iowa players were great. It wasn't like I was some little chump coming into their world.
"The coaching staff said to do what's best for me and didn't keep harping on Iowa. It's not how I played, but who I was that seemed to matter. That whole place, you go there and just start smiling. I didn't want to come home after my visit."
The 6-foot-7-inch, 275-pound Lightfoot said a conversation with Massaquoi at a leadership conference helped persuade him to commit to Iowa.
"You could just see it in his face how happy he was to be going to Iowa," Lightfoot said.
"The Iowa coaches told me I was the first part of their recruiting plan and after that, it just snowballed," Massaquoi said. "I'll try to hook up Iowa with all the good players."
Steinbach talked to other top recruits before making his oral commitment in early November.
"It seemed like everyone had Iowa in their top five choices," said the 6-7, 235-pound Steinbach, who led the state with 26 sacks and was also recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia Tech and Boston College. "I liked the way they didn't bug you and let you make the decision."
Steinbach's teammate, Providence All-State receiver David Popp, didn't receive a single Division I offer but may wind up as a walk-on at Iowa or Illinois, although Southern Illinois is showing some interest.
"Iowa owned the state of Illinois this year," said Chris Pool of the Great Lakes Recruiting Review in Joliet. "I thought this was a very good recruiting class, and Notre Dame didn't get anyone from Chicago. I guess the mystique just isn't there anymore.
"Ten years ago, if you had a chance to go to Notre Dame, there was no question. Now, I think Michigan has the edge."
While missing out on standouts such as Massaquoi, Steinbach and Luke, the Irish did recruit well nationally. The G & W Report out of Sanatoga, Pa., rates Notre Dame's incoming class third behind UCLA and Michigan. The Fighting Irish were also a finalist with Stanford for Sandburg's 6-5, 285-pound All-State tackle Jeff Roehl.
In Ron Turner's first full recruiting season, the Illinois coach is expected to sign Dunbar All-State running back Rausell Harvey, Schaumburg quarterback Kurt Kittner, Rich East QB Walter Young, running back Antoineo Harris of Bolingbrook and linemen Tony Pashos (6-7, 325) of Lockport, Dave Diehl (6-7, 285) of Brother Rice and Matt Carlton (6-6, 320) from the College of DuPage.
In all, Turner will hand out 23 scholarships in an effort to reverse last fall's 0-11 record.
"This is going to be a drastically different team, and we won't ever go 0-11 again," Turner said. "Our No. 1 concern was speed, and we'll sign four junior-college receivers, a juco cornerback and one other corner (Alonzo Wise of Rock Island). These aren't just guys who can fly--they're athletes who are playmakers.
"Our second biggest need was size and strength on both sides of the line, and we addressed that. In some ways, going 0-11 attracted top athletes who knew they'd become instant starters.
"Iowa got some top guys, but I feel good about our recruiting class. There are always players you'd like to get and don't (Massaquoi and Luke). But there's not much dropoff with the ones we got (Harris and Harvey), and tight end was a low priority."
There are indications Turner is so impressed with Kittner and Young that he might toss the incoming freshmen into the quarterback derby rather than redshirt them.
thank you, HG. the real reason ferentz won 4 games his first 2 seasons is that he started all of the young guys and was implementing his system. some the players hayden had didn't fit ferentz' system, some did.
Joshbrown
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KF was doing some OJT the first few years. And sadly he never did anything with what happened in 02-04. That's bad coaching. Those years got him a top 10 recruiting class in 05 and all he could do was finish ranked 3 times over the last 13 seasons. There is no spinning that story into greatness.
JHF made Iowa relevant
KF has made Iowa irrelevant
ArvadaHawk
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A higher level? he took them from 20 consecutive losing seasons to finishing in the top 20 8 out of 11 seasons. the Big 10 became UM, OSU and Iowa, then everyone else. Hayden Fry is the coach who ushered in the passing offense to the Big 10 and it pisses me off when everyone gives that credit to Joe Tiller (RIP). Hayden Fry revolutionized the Big 10 and "three yards and a cloud of dust."
And he did all of that while NOT making $4 mil per season. In fact, Hayden Fry CREATED Iowa's merchandising phenomenon and brought $millions TO Iowa's coffers. Hayden Fry had the Tiger Hawk created and marketed into one of the most recognizable colleges mascot symbols in the country, in his era.
I mean, really? Kirk Ferentz is an average coach. He gets out coached on game day, regularly and is the least innovative coach in the B1G. Hayden resurrected Iowa Hawkeye football from the ashes.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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You think NW has a stronger program than Iowa? You’re full of shit.With JHF
Iowa had a better program than Wisconsin, Northwestern, Mich State and Iowa State. Basically Iowa was considered among the top 3 programs with Hayden (and that was achieved after he inherited the worst program in the Big Ten)
With KF
Wisconsin has become a better program
MSU same
NW same
and if Iowa State hangs on to Campbell . . . could the unthinkable happen?!?!?!
Basically Iowa is middle of the pack in the west with Kirk
tksirius
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Hold on, let me find another mike drop gif.
ArvadaHawk
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LOL.
ArvadaHawk
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if they do, then they've surpassed kirk, not hayden.
Joshbrown
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First off thanx for admitting MSU/Wisky have jumped us with CaptainExcuses
They got a better coach than us. Fitz hates losing and Kirk hates it when his check doesn't clear.
You're a moron if ya can't see that beating Kirk only takes this . . .
Hayden had ties. Take this games out if you're figuring winning percentage.
ArvadaHawk
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And let me add a story from Chuck Long about Hayden Fry that points out the absolute difference between Hayden and kirk and how Hayden was a "go for it" coach; and we all know, kirk isn't a go for it coach.
I've seen on BTN the 1985 Hawkeyes as part of their Legends programming. In it, Chuck Long is interviewed and he recounts this story.
The setup is that Iowa lost at MSU the previous season when Chuck was stopped on 4th down at the goal line and Chuck insisted he had scored, but the refs said no.
The following '85 season, MSU has a less than touchdown lead and Iowa is at MSU's 5 yard line and time is running out. This is Iowa's last chance. Hayden calls a time out. Recall, the (great-minus the rose bowl) Ronnie Harmon was on this team. Chuck goes over to the side lines and Hayden says "Charlie, I want you to call a power handoff to Ronnie (I'm paraphrasing now). Now, I don't want you to hand it to him, I want you to bootleg to the right, but DON'T TELL ANYONE you're keeping it." Chuck says: "But coach, what if I don't score? We're out of time outs!" "Charlie, don't worry...You're GOING TO SCORE." Chuck bootlegged and scored. Raise your hand if this sounds like kirk in any way, shape or form? Hayden created Iowa football and I'll never believe otherwise.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Yes Wisconsin is overall a stronger program than Iowa. They have been for a while now, I absolutely believe we should be at the same level as Wisconsin and coaching changes should be made to rectify this. I also generally agree about MSU, though I don’t find this particularly appalling. That doesn’t change the fact the you made a terrifically stupid claim about Northwestern, or that you didn’t back it up in anyway. Not that I think you’re capable of it.First off thanx for admitting MSU/Wisky have jumped us with CaptainExcuses
They got a better coach than us. Fitz hates losing and Kirk hates it when his check doesn't clear.
You're a moron if ya can't see that beating Kirk only takes this . . .
HawkPrdatr40
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Yep Fry turned Iowa around and Kirk Ferentz has maintain it and levitated it at times to levels Fry didn’t but in the end KF has maintain it. Listen you go look at what Fry did the last 11 years at Iowa.. I love Fry and what he did at Iowa but let’s get real when you look at the hard numbers and accomplishments there is many similarities!!! To say there isn’t is just not being real and that’s a FACT.. I’m 48 so I’ve seen both
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Joshbrown
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Motigerhawk
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Hayden brought a winning culture to Iowa athletics. Hayden was the Peoples coach. The fans loved him and he played to them. He was a cult hero.
He made Iowa into a national brand.
He did things that 2 or 3 generation of fans hadnt seen. He won. And he did it with style.
FKF is bland and boring. He is steady with no emotion. He plays to the big money. And he has done some amazing things with fund raising.
I loved Fry. Still do. He brought my poor Hawks to a whole new world. He brought us the Tiger Hawk logo. Which is an iconic logo now.
I hate comparing them. They are 2 different men. I loved watching Fry's Hawks in the 80s. What a great product on the field. Those 8 yard outs all day.
I missed out on the 90s. Was in my 20s and the decade is a lost one in my life. If you know what I mean.
Watching these Ferentz teams have had their moments as well. And when everything clicks, they are a team that is pretty unstoppable. At least when they get out of their own way.
But the last decade, watching other teams evolve with the times, and we stick to the same damn novocaine offense has really worn me out.
Both have done great things at Iowa. And as many have said, the game passed Hayden by. Well, the game passed FKF by about 10 years ago. And we are stuck for another 8.
He made Iowa into a national brand.
He did things that 2 or 3 generation of fans hadnt seen. He won. And he did it with style.
FKF is bland and boring. He is steady with no emotion. He plays to the big money. And he has done some amazing things with fund raising.
I loved Fry. Still do. He brought my poor Hawks to a whole new world. He brought us the Tiger Hawk logo. Which is an iconic logo now.
I hate comparing them. They are 2 different men. I loved watching Fry's Hawks in the 80s. What a great product on the field. Those 8 yard outs all day.
I missed out on the 90s. Was in my 20s and the decade is a lost one in my life. If you know what I mean.
Watching these Ferentz teams have had their moments as well. And when everything clicks, they are a team that is pretty unstoppable. At least when they get out of their own way.
But the last decade, watching other teams evolve with the times, and we stick to the same damn novocaine offense has really worn me out.
Both have done great things at Iowa. And as many have said, the game passed Hayden by. Well, the game passed FKF by about 10 years ago. And we are stuck for another 8.
Joshbrown
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To be specific I was the one who mentioned Hayden stepped down when he was no longer advancing the program.
Kirk won't.
That's the difference. And it's obvious who comes off better in that scenario. Kirk is pulling a Joe Paterno when he should be emulating Fry.
hawkeyebob62
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Wow, TrollVille Festival...
Joshie digs it out of the ashes--yes, a 6+year old thread--and the rest of the D30 hop in, including Gold with an awesome retrieval of a Chicago Trib article from 1998. Back when they were still hand-cranking out that old firestarter.
Impressive guys. Very impressive.
Joshie digs it out of the ashes--yes, a 6+year old thread--and the rest of the D30 hop in, including Gold with an awesome retrieval of a Chicago Trib article from 1998. Back when they were still hand-cranking out that old firestarter.
Impressive guys. Very impressive.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Josh really is a troll that you can’t help but feed. A weekend of Iowa football wouldn’t be complete without it.
