Kirk Ferentz vs Hayden Fry

[hawkeyebob62]

No, but in furthering the discussion, it is an interesting analogy (looking at it). Commins did some impressive stuff, but in the end couldn't beat the "equal" teams. Also, a good chunk of HF's early teams including the Rose Bowl were recruited by Commins. KF after being here quite a long time has put together back to back seasons himself that were much different that KF if you gave KF the OOC schedule.

The guy probably deserved more time, sort of like Rhodes in some ways. In the end, I was very thankful for HF though.

It's easy to bash Commins without looking at the schedule and results carefully. He had some big wins and terrible losses. He did not have a cupcake schedule at all. The guy was incredibly enthusiastic and pro Iowa for sure.

So as to keep things from being twisted. I am not saying KF is as bad as BC. Nor am I saying HF shouldn't have been hired. I am saying in the analysis, there are some comparisons if the OOC schedules are compared. Fry with a lesser OOC schedule his first year easily would have been bowl eligible in today's world. Commins would have had a couple of bowl games.

WhoTF is "Commins"?!

 

[HawkGold]

Clueless. Commings was a good guy, but he wasn't close to getting it done. The 5-6 record in 1977 wasn't really 5-6, it was 4-7, but UCLA later forfeited for using an ineligible player. He wasn't given enough time? He was 17-38, which was really 16-39, with a 2-9 record in 1978.

<<Fry lost to AZ 5-3 in 1980 his 2nd rebuild year>>

I know, I was at the game. So? What does it have to do with this discussion?

Oh, I get it...<Put KF into Commins OOC and what would his record be?>>

How would "Commins" have fared in any of the bowl games KF has been in? Oh, wait, he never came close to even MAKING a damn bowl game.

Dude, the trolling is bordering on absurd...

But...if you ARE going to go "absurd", at least spell Commings correctly. And if you ARE going to copy/paste from Wiki, read the whole damn article. Read some actual books. There's been plenty written on the subject of Bob Commings.

<<Fry was a master marketer. He got people to believe. Therein lies the biggest diff between HF and KF. Marketing>>

Really? So we've done this whole damn thread just to have some troll reduce it to "marketing". Good Lord.

I was at that game too. Trolling...no.

HF was a terrific marketer. KF is not as likeable. Both were run oriented but fee remember. Both were obsessive about turn overs. HF on 3rd went to shovel passes and draws. Both loved throws to TEs. We remember them differently due to marketing.

 

[HawkGold]

WhoTF is "Commins"?!

U are turning into another poster.

 

[peerok]

In Haydens 20 years, Iowa played 46 Power 5 opponents in the non-conf schedule.
KF has payed 31 Power % opponents in 19 years.

Hayden had a tougher schedule.

I agree Hayden had a tougher non conference schedule than KF, but you'll never convince me the big ten was better during most of the Fry era. The big ten got a whole lot better in the mid nineties near the end of the Fry era when Penn St joined the league and Wisconsin and Northwestern turned their programs around. However during Fry's best years(81-91), the big ten was overrated. During that time big ten teams went 3-8 in the Rose Bowl despite often being favored to win.