SteveGarvey1
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I guess we could talk about J. Bohannon's fake assists or something.
KF Responds to Ed Cunningham Comments
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I guess we could talk about J. Bohannon's fake assists or something.
I have eyes and common sense... What if CJ was injured/hurt pretty bad. Say his hammy or groin was significantly torn worse because he was trying to play on it? Everyones pain tolerance is different and he obviously has a really high threshold of it. He didn't go under any examination on the bench in the 3rd q when it started to look really bad/obvious. Even IF the quacks that are paid by the schools/athletic departments I believe (correct me if I'm wrong about that) 'cleared' him that doesn't mean the coach has to keep trotting him out there. Since when did leaving an obviously hurt player out there in a game that's out of reach be it early 4th or even middle of it help the program? Isn't he about the program over individuals? The whole thing doesn't pass the smell test regardless of the kid/his parents blessing. We've had years and years of that already
HomerChampless
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Look. Compare CJ's attitude in the tape of the Stanford loss in the Rose Bowl to the Florida loss in the Outback Bowl. In the Stanford loss, even though CJ's groin was injured, he still fought on to score points and did so even though there was no way for Iowa to win the game. I'll point out, again, the play where CJ angrily fired the ball into the Rose Bowl turf after an Iowa offensive line infraction that stalled an Iowa drive.
In the Outback Bowl against Florida, maybe CJ was just shell- shocked after 2+ years of hits at Iowa? I don't know. I know CJ wasn't nearly as injured as he'd been the previous season. As some poster pointed out, CJ bounced back enough to play in the Senior Bowl with good results and no indication of an injury.
In the Outback Bowl, first I saw an uncharacteristic amount of interceptions in the game - three. When I saw the replays of those interceptions, I saw the uncharacteristically small windows CJ was attempting to throw into,
Why would CJ uncharacteristically throw into small windows three times? To impress pro scouts? Maybe the first one but not the second or third. Because the Iowa staff told him to do so? Not in your life. More likely because CJ thought this was the only way to beat Florida.
CJ didn't tell me he was rattled, He showed me he was rattled. At least, this was play way out of his normal. At least, this abnomal play was allowed by the Iowa staff.
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HomerChampless
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At some point in the fourth quarter of the Outback Bowl, the Iowa staff shut down the passing game. They let CJ hand the ball off. They could've as easily let Stanley hand the ball off.
Joshbrown
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The fact that you don't understand how game reps help a QB might disqualify you from this conversation.
InGoodCo
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Stanley got in if I re-call and did just that. Look, when I watched the game, I personally thought "CJ needs to sit" at the time I was watching it. 1. he looked hurt 2. he was ineffective 3. it was going to an L either way. But this whole discussion on whether KF was wrong to keep playing him? Ed Cunningham's correlation between CTE and CJB's bowl game against FL? Nah, he was good. He wasn't hurt. He's fine now. His draft status was raised whether it was due to that game or not, either way he went in the 3rd when he wasn't expected to. He received no serious future injury. Stanley get's little to no benefit going into that kind of situation and it's a giant non topic that I am actually happy KF commented on publicly. You can ridicule his play calling, conservatism, how he dishes out playing time, what the team eats for breakfast...but if you question his integrity with not a shred of truth, I am glad he speaks out.
InGoodCo
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No it doesn't. Getting your freshman QB meaningless reps in a game that was over against a D that had 7 guys go in that seasons NFL draft has many outcomes. Most of them being bad ones.
InGoodCo
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What if Stanley goes in and plays the 2nd half? Can we agree, at least at that point last season, that CJB was likely the better QB? What does turning the ball over (like CJ did)- throwing some picks (like CJ did) and possibly getting roughed up (like CJ did) do for a young QB going into next season? It can hurt his growth. It can hurt his progress. It can hurt your future WR recruiting. Would the over all outlook on this season be different? Would Stanley have the same confidence he seemingly played with on Saturday? There's just a lot that goes into developing a young QB. I understand that, so I am not sure how knowing that disqualifies me from anything.
He was still injured actually. He only partially competed that week. I don't think he played much if at all in that game and they said at the time it was due to tweaking the injury he already had. It wasn't till the combine that he was doing better and even there he didn't do the 40 or any of the agility drills. He just threw I think
deanvogs
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James Daniels knocked on KF door on Friday and said he wanted to play vs Wyoming. James wasn't cleared to play by the medical staff, so James sat vs Wyoming.
What is KF supposed to do, overrule the opinions of the medical staff? He isn't a doctor, he isn't a trainer, he doesn't make those decisions. He is told if a player can play or if he can't play. Some of you idiots sound like pathetic Clown fans trying to call KF Bud Kilmer.
What is KF supposed to do, overrule the opinions of the medical staff? He isn't a doctor, he isn't a trainer, he doesn't make those decisions. He is told if a player can play or if he can't play. Some of you idiots sound like pathetic Clown fans trying to call KF Bud Kilmer.
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Stanley just had a 3 turnover game right out of the gate.. Granted it was in a victory instead of a loss but to me it's all apart of it and evaluating them. If the kid is emotionally too fragile to have a bad game early on then I'd rather find that out right away rather than later. Cause if that's what they are then I doubt there's much a coach can do to change that personality trait. By that point your either emotionally strong enough to take a bad game or your not. Handling these Qbs with kids gloves is just a millennial way of doing things. These coaches have pressure to win and win a lot and they don't have time to hold these QBs hands. They have to turn them loose and see what they are made of. If they don't have it then next man in.
Joshbrown
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This looks like a product of servile logic.
InGoodCo
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Couldn't disagree more in most regards. Imagine how far Stanley has come in the last 9 months since that game? And he went out and had 3 TO's against Wyoming. Now you're telling me it would have done him good to go in against FL in a game we were down 3 scores in and were getting throttled by a D that eventually had 7 guys drafted to the NFL. There's nothing "handling with kid gloves" about trying to put your QB in the best position to succeed. There's nothing millennial about not having the franchise and future of your program go out and get his dick drug in the dirt in a meaningless game that had 0 chance of him having an ounce of success. You let those guys get their confidence up and show what they're made of against Wyoming.
InGoodCo
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theboat
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I think most people forget that it was a close game going into the 4th quarter. It got out of hand quickly in the 4th, but it's not like Ferentz had all day to make the decision. I would say he left him out maybe a series or two too long, but if he would have put Stanley in the game at halftime or midway through the 3rd in a 10-3 game, the pitchforks would have been out.
InGoodCo
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Wow, a rational thought - which is seemingly impossible for a KF hater. It was 10-3 until :48 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, Iowa has come back from further. I agree - CJ got left in a series or 2 too long. I disagree that Stanley would have some sort of big lift or experience getting those couple of series.
How do we know how far he's came since he didn't play any meaningful reps last yr.. There's nothing to compare it to. Well he did a couple against NDSU I guess but sure wouldn't have been the same as at the end of the year against FL would have. And being too chicken to put your 2nd string QB in the game when you've burned his RS in a game where the starter is not only playing poorly but hurt to the extent he shouldn't even be out there is exactly by my definition handling him with kids gloves. If that's how your going to handle him then why yank the RS?
InGoodCo
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I got no argument with that. I wish he had RS and Weigers was back up last season. But, IMO it's not about being chicken - it's about being smart. If you have a better option then putting a young QB into a disaster, go with that instead. That seems like coaching 101. If you have issues with Ferentz not RS Stanley, I can agree. Him not playing him in the FL game, made sense to me.
theboat
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And god forbid Ferentz letting CJ try to go back out there and not end his Iowa career on an INT. I just looked at the play by play, and I would have pulled him after the 3rd pick, he ran 3 plays after that. Cunningham is bitching about 3 plays, a handoff and 2 incompletions.
InGoodCo
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Who would you feel better about Iowa somehow making a miraculous come back with CJ or a Freshman? I just had no issues with how he handled it. If they wanna say he should have pulled him 1 or 2 series earlier? Ok. I guess I can't be that nit picky. IMO, you don't throw your freshman QB out to wolves against a D like FL unless you have absolutely NO other choice.
