KF Responds to Ed Cunningham Comments

[deanvogs]

This is crazy. CJ played a big chunk of 2015 severely limited with a hernia injury. If you don't think he should have played in the Florida game, then you should also say he shouldn't have played those games in 2015 injured as well. Heck his injury in the Florida game didn't even require surgery. His hernia injury required surgery after the season to correct.

 

[InGoodCo]

He absolutely would not have been ready. That's why he should have been playing.

Those snaps would have, in my opinion, been invaluable.

No way to throw Stanley out against FL in meaningful snaps unless there's no other option. You don't want to ruin him before he even starts. There is a reverse effect on young guys getting thrown into the fire, and in the case with FL - putting Tom Brady back there wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[deanvogs]

You're missing the point as so many before you have. When you've lost the game and your QB isn't 100% . . . you play for the future. What is the point watching a guy who is already hobbled just get beat up further in a lost cause? Answer, there is no constructive team-oriented reason.

What about rewarding a team captain who wants to play and is medically cleared to play. So just sit his ass because @Joshbrown says it's time to play for next year?

 

[InGoodCo]

You're missing the point as so many before you have. When you've lost the game and your QB isn't 100% . . . you play for the future. What is the point watching a guy who is already hobbled just get beat up further in a lost cause? Answer, there is no constructive team-oriented reason.

What's the point in putting your freshman QB in that situation? How does that HELP his future?

 

[HomerChampless]

Objection - conjecture. Do you really think it affected CJ mentally or are you just grasping at straws here?

Why was CJ throwing in such tight windows and as often as he did? Because Iowa's offense was throughly dominated. This indicates CJ was rattled by Florida's defense.

The game was only, if I remember correctly, 6-10. Then 6-17 after a pick 6. Then it was 6-23 after another turnover. Then came another interception of CJ's pass. Finally it was 6-30 after another pick 6 (I'm trying to remember all this best forgotten information).

Iowa's athleticism was no match for Florida's athleticism. I think an Iowa turnover automatically resulted in a Florida touchdown while Iowa's offense scrambled to no avail to catch up.

Tbe last few offensive plays for Iowa were running plays, if I'm not mistaken. If CJ hadn't given up, the Iowa offensive coaching staff had. If all Iowa was going to do on offense for the end of the game was hand the ball off, Stanley couldn't done that. No harm and some experience for Stanley.

 

[InGoodCo]

Why was CJ throwing in such tight windows and as often as he did? Because Iowa's offense was throughly dominated.

The game was only, if I remember correctly, 6-10. Then 6-17 after a pick 6. Then it was 6-23 after another turnover (Iowa's athleticism was no match for Florida's athleticism). Then came another interception of CJ's pass. Finally it was 6-30 after another pick 6 (I'm trying to remember all this best forgotten information).

Tbe last few offensive plays for Iowa were running plays, if I'm not mistaken. If CJ hadn't given up, the Iowa offensive coaching stafff had. If all Iowa was going to do on offense for the end of the game was hand the ball off, Stanley couldn't done that. No harm and some experience for Stanley.

But so could CJ - and he did.

 

[InGoodCo]

and I'm still waiting on the FOR SURE injury CJ sustained in this game

 

[Hawk5656]

I wish Kirk would have pulled CJ at the end of the game and gave Stanley some reps but this whole thing is being so blown out of proportion. Hopefully it's done being talked about soon.

 

[GesterHawk]

Why was CJ throwing in such tight windows and as often as he did? Because Iowa's offense was throughly dominated.

The game was only, if I remember correctly, 6-10. Then 6-17 after a pick 6. Then it was 6-23 after another turnover (Iowa's athleticism was no match for Florida's athleticism). Then came another interception of CJ's pass. Finally it was 6-30 after another pick 6 (I'm trying to remember all this best forgotten information).

Tbe last few offensive plays for Iowa were running plays, if I'm not mistaken. If CJ hadn't given up, the Iowa offensive coaching stafff had. If all Iowa was going to do on offense for the end of the game was hand the ball off, Stanley couldn't done that. No harm and some experience for Stanley.

And how does this defend your post that CJ's mentality was messed up?
If he is mentally eeak enough to crumble because of a bad day when the entire team was out gunned, if he packs it in after throwing a pick 6, if he doesn't give it everything when he is on the field, he has no business playing QB. Lucky for us and now for San Fran, he does none of that.

If anything, he elavated his mental game after being taken to the shed that game. That is what good atheletes/QBs do.

 

[InGoodCo]

Why was CJ throwing in such tight windows and as often as he did? Because Iowa's offense was throughly dominated. This indicates CJ was rattled by Florida's defense.

so, let's put in our freshman QB of the future against that and let's see how he makes it out? Nothing that could have happened in that situation has a good outcome for Stanley, Iowa or the coaches for 2017. That's not how you develop a young QB

 

[Joshbrown]

I just thought of something. Suppose CJB had gotten seriously hurt as a result of his limited mobility . . . do you think anyone in this thread would've expressed a different opinion regarding the wisdom of playing a hurt QB?

No, they wouldn't have. It's disturbing when you realize why.

 

[HomerChampless]

And how does this defend your post that CJ's mentality was messed up?
If he is mentally eeak enough to crumble because of a bad day when the entire team was out gunned, if he packs it in after throwing a pick 6, if he doesn't give it everything when he is on the field, he has no business playing QB. Lucky for us and now for San Fran, he does none of that.

If anything, he elavated his mental game after being taken to the shed that game. That is what good atheletes/QBs do.

CJ knew Iowa's offense was outmanned. Knew he had to make 'super-human' plays to defeat Florida's defense. Not Iowa running backs who were bottled up by the Florida defense. Not Iowa receivers who were terrapins compared to Florida's defensive back hares.

The Iowa defense gave a good showing early. Iowa's offense gave points away. Iowa's offense couldn't do anything.
CJ tried to change that and Iowa was burned.

Remember the, for example, end of the Iowa VS. Stanford game in the Rose Bowl? Iowa's offense was still churning, scoring points even though so, so, far behind. I remember CJ slamming the ball into the turf at the end of that game for an offensive line infraction that stalled an Iowa drive.
I also remember the changed attitude, the feeling of dispair on CJ as the score climbed to 30-6. CJ had given up. He didn't think Iowa could do anything offensively against Florida.

 

[InGoodCo]

I just thought of something. Suppose CJB had gotten seriously hurt as a result of his limited mobility . . . do you think anyone in this thread would've expressed a different opinion regarding the wisdom of playing a hurt QB?

No, they wouldn't have. It's disturbing when you realize why their opinion would be exactly the same as it is now.

If my aunt was my uncle... what use is it to live in Rainbow Brite land? He wasn't hurt, he wasn't seriously hurt, he receive no permanent damage. The coaching staff was ok with him playing, the med staff was ok with him playing, CJ was ok with him playing, CJ's dad was ok with him playing. You know who wasn't? Ed Cunningham. Iowa fans side with him over Kirk Ferentz ... what a joke. You might want to watch another team if you can let your hatred for Iowa's HOF coach cloud your vision so heavily.

 

[InGoodCo]

CJ knew Iowa's offense was outmanned. Knew he had to make 'super-human' plays to defeat Florida's defense. Not Iowa running backs who were bottled up by the Florida defense. Not Iowa receivers who were terrapins compared to Florida's defensive back hares.

The Iowa defense gave a good showing early. Iowa's offense gave points away. Iowa's offense couldn't do anything.
CJ tried to change that and Iowa was burned.

But again - we should have put in our freshman QB of the future in that situation? Still waiting on CJ's injury report.

 

[SpiderRico]

It's obvious that there are people that would argue that the sky was more of a "baby blue" than a "sky blue" just to be contrarian.

Seriously, the season has started...can we not find something else to debate than a decision that was made 9 months ago?

We get it already....some think Ferentz was stupid to play an obviously hurt QB at the end of a blowout. Others think CJ had earned the right to go out, in his last game as a Hawkeye, the way he wanted to.

So let's end it and start talking about THIS season. It's supposed to be HATE WEEK....and no, that doesn't mean more hate for KF!!

 

[Joshbrown]

If my aunt was my uncle... what use is it to live in Rainbow Brite land? He wasn't hurt, he wasn't seriously hurt, he receive no permanent damage. The coaching staff was ok with him playing, the med staff was ok with him playing, CJ was ok with him playing, CJ's dad was ok with him playing. You know who wasn't? Ed Cunningham. Iowa fans side with him over Kirk Ferentz ... what a joke. You might want to watch another team if you can let your hatred for Iowa's HOF coach cloud your vision so heavily.

When those willing to sacrifice their humanity are called out . . . this is how they react.

 

[GesterHawk]

I just thought of something. Suppose CJB had gotten seriously hurt as a result of his limited mobility . . . do you think anyone in this thread would've expressed a different opinion regarding the wisdom of playing a hurt QB?

No, they wouldn't have. It's disturbing when you realize why.

Did you call for him to sit out the back half of 2015 when his mobility was the same as the Outback game?

 

[GesterHawk]

CJ knew Iowa's offense was outmanned. Knew he had to make 'super-human' plays to defeat Florida's defense. Not Iowa running backs who were bottled up by the Florida defense. Not Iowa receivers who were terrapins compared to Florida's defensive back hares.

The Iowa defense gave a good showing early. Iowa's offense gave points away. Iowa's offense couldn't do anything.
CJ tried to change that and Iowa was burned.

Remember the, for example, end of the Iowa VS. Stanford game in the Rose Bowl? Iowa's offense was still churning, scoring points even though so, so, far behind. I remember CJ slamming the ball into the turf at the end of that game for an offensive line infraction that stalled an Iowa drive.
I also remember the changed attitude, the feeling of dispair on CJ as the score climbed to 30-6. CJ had given up. He didn't think Iowa could do anything offensively against Florida.

Objection, conjecture.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Yeah and the blocking and run game stunk so yeah let's throw a newby out there because his chances would be great!

you're right. he should have pulled the team off the field. go ahead and let the guy with the NFL future get beaten to pulp. look, my gripe is that it was a perfect time to get our future qb's experience against live ammo. that is one think kirk is horrible at. he should have given TW one series in the 4th against wy, don't you agree?

 

[GesterHawk]

CJ knew Iowa's offense was outmanned. Knew he had to make 'super-human' plays to defeat Florida's defense. Not Iowa running backs who were bottled up by the Florida defense. Not Iowa receivers who were terrapins compared to Florida's defensive back hares.

The Iowa defense gave a good showing early. Iowa's offense gave points away. Iowa's offense couldn't do anything.
CJ tried to change that and Iowa was burned.

Remember the, for example, end of the Iowa VS. Stanford game in the Rose Bowl? Iowa's offense was still churning, scoring points even though so, so, far behind. I remember CJ slamming the ball into the turf at the end of that game for an offensive line infraction that stalled an Iowa drive.
I also remember the changed attitude, the feeling of dispair on CJ as the score climbed to 30-6. CJ had given up. He didn't think Iowa could do anything offensively against Florida.

Did CJ confide in you his dispair?
Or are you projecting your own quiters mentality on him?