KF Responds to Ed Cunningham Comments

InGoodCo said:
PC, I definitely wasn't saying that, and if it came off as that, I certainly would like to clear that up. Had nothing to do with caring more about one player over the other. CJ was cleared to play, in a tight ball game going to the 4th - KF ran with his senior. He does have to care about the future development of his Freshman QB tho right? And put him in the best position to succeed? I don't think he would have got that in that game.
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I was just messing with you. I know what you mean.
 
InGoodCo said:
3 of the last 4 starting QB's have been drafted. The league is LOADED with LB's and DB's from Iowa playing on Sundays. Please continue to drop the knowledge on us.
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This is way off topic. Linebackers. Yes. Occasionally. Who was the last Iowa cornerback successful as a cornerback and not safety in the NFL? Bob Jeter in 1970? When will a highly rated and gifted high school cornerback come to Iowa to be a safety? Never. King will always be a safety in the NFL. Iowa taught him that way and he really doesn't have the speed for cornerback.

Tell me about Iowa's running backs under KF. Greene? Really?

Going back on the topic of refuting your post (and not on topic of this thread) CJB and Wadley are two examples of players who may make it big in the NFL where KF attempted to hinder their playing time at Iowa. Daniels for Wadley and Rudock for CJB.
 
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HomerChampless said:
This is way off topic. Linebackers. Yes. Occasionally. Who was the last Iowa cornerback successful as a cornerback and not safety in the NFL? Bob Jeter in 1970? When will a highly rated and gifted high school cornerback come to Iowa to be a safety? Never. King will always be a safety in the NFL. Iowa taught him that way and he really doesn't have the speed for cornerback.

Tell me about Iowa's running backs under KF. Greene? Really?

Going back on the topic of refuting your post (and not on topic of this thread) CJB and Wadley are two examples of players who may make it big in the NFL where KF attempted to hinder their playing time at Iowa. Daniels for Wadley and Rudock for CJB.
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You can't be helped dude because you have a moving target. And you are the one who took it off topic. Now the threshold is not just sending guys to the NFL draft, but they have to be a star there too. Michah Hyde? Shaun Prater? Jordan Berstine? Sprivey? You just said that Iowa only puts OL and TE's in the league. I said that was flat out wrong and now you moved the threshold again for me. Jaleel Johnson, Carl Davis, Christian Kirksey, Anthony Hitchens, Micah Hyde, Mike Daniels, Ballard, Klug, Clayborn... i can go all day to refute that.

There's more to football when WR's and RB's - ask Nebraska.
 
HomerChampless said:
Maybe Cunningham was also complaining about other things in this Outback Bowl in a Trumpian kinda way - an inexact way.

Maybe Cunningham was complaining about the total mismatch Iowa's offense to Florida's defense in the game? Maybe Cunningham was also complaining about Iowa's offensive plan? Would Iowa's offensive lack of success been entirely Davis' fault or could KF share in some of that blame? How about Iowa's total lack of athleticism compared to Florida's? Who's to blame for Iowa's recruiting?
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So Cunningham quit because Iowa sucked that game? You should let him know that.
 
theboat said:
Basically this thread has devolved into homer being angry that Iowa isn't Alabama
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And exactly.... the post starts out about Ed Cunningham's comments. People weigh in our whether they agree with them or not, whether KF was in the wrong or not and in typical fashion the peeps that hate KF blindly slowly turn it to things like KF not being football savvy or not recruiting well enough, or losing games to inferior teams.
 
InGoodCo said:
And exactly.... the post starts out about Ed Cunningham's comments. People weigh in our whether they agree with them or not, whether KF was in the wrong or not and in typical fashion the peeps that hate KF blindly slowly turn it to things like KF not being football savvy or not recruiting well enough, or losing games to inferior teams.
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Just for clarification, I don't hate Kirk Ferentz, and my main gripe isn't about Beathard playing (even though I though he should have come out). My beef is with Ferentz passing the buck onto team doctors as if he didn't have any say so or opinion in the matter.

I can disagree with someone on certain things and not hate them or want them fired.
 
Fryowa said:
Just for clarification, I don't hate Kirk Ferentz, and my main gripe isn't about Beathard playing (even though I though he should have come out). My beef is with Ferentz passing the buck onto team doctors as if he didn't have any say so or opinion in the matter.

I can disagree with someone on certain things and not hate them or want them fired.
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For some reason that is impossible for a lot of folks to comprehend... I'm with ya on that in regards to KF on a lot of things. For all that I disagree with him on there's 100 more things I love about the guy.
 
Fryowa said:
Just for clarification, I don't hate Kirk Ferentz, and my main gripe isn't about Beathard playing (even though I though he should have come out). My beef is with Ferentz passing the buck onto team doctors as if he didn't have any say so or opinion in the matter.

I can disagree with someone on certain things and not hate them or want them fired.
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yesterday you said our Oline got throttled by a community college last Saturday... so sorry if I question ya sometimes. And have beefs with Ferentz - I am all for it... just try and be fair about it at least.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
For some reason that is impossible for a lot of folks to comprehend... I'm with ya on that in regards to KF on a lot of things. For all that I disagree with him on there's 100 more things I love about the guy.
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The list of difference of opinion I've had with KF is so long it can't be listed. I tend to agree with a ton of negative thoughts of him on here, I just .... i just can't give fliers to posters who say things like "Iowa only sends TE's and OL's to the NFL" -...... or KF lacks football knowledge. At least be fair about your analysis. (not meaning you in particular... just some posters in general)
 
Fryowa said:
Just for clarification, I don't hate Kirk Ferentz, and my main gripe isn't about Beathard playing (even though I though he should have come out). My beef is with Ferentz passing the buck onto team doctors as if he didn't have any say so or opinion in the matter.

I can disagree with someone on certain things and not hate them or want them fired.
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I didn't see it as passing the buck at all. I saw it as directly responding to a specific statement from Cunningham. He said KF was putting CJ at risk, the reality is that he wasn't.

Q. On C.J. Beathard playing despite an injury early in the game

KIRK FERENTZ: You know, if he -- first of all, he thought he could go back and play, which he always does, but then secondly, when he was playing, certainly he was limited in what he could do. He wasn't going to run, but he wanted to compete. I think we certainly owe it to him. He's had a tremendous career and laid it out there for us game in and game out.

Q. How do you balance the decision to keep C.J. Beathard in versus taking him out of the game?

KIRK FERENTZ: Well, I mean, he's always going to say he's going to play. If he had a broken leg, that would be his answer. We've had a lot of tough guys come through the University of Iowa and play football at least in my 27 years, and he's right up there at the top. They don't come any tougher. So that's our -- we have to look and see what it looks like, and if he's going to be in harm's way then we're going to get him out of there certainly. First and foremost there's a medical decision to be made by the doctors and trainers, so it starts there. But if he could go, he was allowed to go, much like last year, he played limited last year. It's just a tough way for him and all the seniors to finish up because I can't compliment those guys enough, whether it's CJ Beathard or guys that weren't starters, just what a great group. So that part is tough.

KF made the decision that CJ earned the right to play if he wanted to play and was cleared. Cunningham, for whatever reason, is misguided in his criticism.
 
theboat said:
I didn't see it as passing the buck at all. I saw it as directly responding to a specific statement from Cunningham. He said KF was putting CJ at risk, the reality is that he wasn't.

Q. On C.J. Beathard playing despite an injury early in the game

KIRK FERENTZ: You know, if he -- first of all, he thought he could go back and play, which he always does, but then secondly, when he was playing, certainly he was limited in what he could do. He wasn't going to run, but he wanted to compete. I think we certainly owe it to him. He's had a tremendous career and laid it out there for us game in and game out.

Q. How do you balance the decision to keep C.J. Beathard in versus taking him out of the game?

KIRK FERENTZ: Well, I mean, he's always going to say he's going to play. If he had a broken leg, that would be his answer. We've had a lot of tough guys come through the University of Iowa and play football at least in my 27 years, and he's right up there at the top. They don't come any tougher. So that's our -- we have to look and see what it looks like, and if he's going to be in harm's way then we're going to get him out of there certainly. First and foremost there's a medical decision to be made by the doctors and trainers, so it starts there. But if he could go, he was allowed to go, much like last year, he played limited last year. It's just a tough way for him and all the seniors to finish up because I can't compliment those guys enough, whether it's CJ Beathard or guys that weren't starters, just what a great group. So that part is tough.

KF made the decision that CJ earned the right to play if he wanted to play and was cleared. Cunningham, for whatever reason, is misguided in his criticism.
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I also didn't see it as passing the buck. I saw his statement as him doing what needs to be dome in this day and age, he was making his case in the court of public opinion. By stating that CJ was cleared by the trainers first, he cuts off any line of questioning about whether or not CJ had been cleared by the training staff. A reporter having to ask that question automatically casts doubt against the program.
 
Ultimately, the charge that was leveled at KF by Cunningham was that KF played an INJURED player and allowed him to continue to get beat up in the game.

KF countered by saying that CJ wasn't INJURED according to their medical staff. That's not passing the buck at all, that's directly countering Cunningham's claim with an expert diagnosis.

I think you're confusing two issues....CJ being injured vs. the decision to let him play AFTER it was determined that he wasn't injured. The first issue is up to the medical staff, the second is a mutual decision between the coach and the player.
 
SpiderRico said:
Ultimately, the charge that was leveled at KF by Cunningham was that KF played an INJURED player and allowed him to continue to get beat up in the game.

KF countered by saying that CJ wasn't INJURED according to their medical staff. That's not passing the buck at all, that's directly countering Cunningham's claim with an expert diagnosis.

I think you're confusing two issues....CJ being injured vs. the decision to let him play AFTER it was determined that he wasn't injured. The first issue is up to the medical staff, the second is a mutual decision between the coach and the player.
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Exactly.

I said before in the thread but I will say it again.
There is a difference between playing hurt and playing injured.
When the trainers determine it is not an injury, it is first up to the player to determine whether they want to play hurt or not. After that it is up to the coach to determime whether or not playing the hurt player is going to hinder the team.
 
KF is playing a Big Boy game and should act like a Big Boy and have kept his mouth shut.

Allowing CJ to continue exposed CJ, but it also exposed KF to criticism.
 
Fryowa said:
Just for clarification, I don't hate Kirk Ferentz, and my main gripe isn't about Beathard playing (even though I though he should have come out). My beef is with Ferentz passing the buck onto team doctors as if he didn't have any say so or opinion in the matter.

I can disagree with someone on certain things and not hate them or want them fired.
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Dude, I thought you were smarter than this. You're letting the low intelligence people back you into a corner. Why appoint them as your moral superior? It's like people in the political realm with terrible logic skills who only use name-calling because their points are so weak. Don't let people with terrible critical thinking skills set the narrative. Otherwise they will start every debate with a non-sequitur and paint you as something you are not.
 
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