Jurors hear starkly different portrayals in opening statements of Jane Meyer's case against Iowa
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tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Not sure but I think they still grill Oscar Meyer weiners in front of the store.
hawkdrummer1
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beat me to it.
Joshbrown
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tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
I wonder how her lawyers are getting paid...
Her lawyers tried very hard to get the University to settle even stating 2 times in just the last week prior to trial and noted both times that the University never responded. Guess- upfront money and then a % if there is a settlement. Upfront money because they told her there was not a great chance of winning.
Fryowa
Administrator
That's true, but you can't fire someone for discriminatory reasons. That's where the U might be screwed. The plaintiffs are going to show highlight films of Fran and Brands going berserko dropping F-bombs on TV (both have done it), grabbing players, throwing chairs, and just in general acting like they're about to kick someone's ass. Hell both of them have YouTube highlight films of their Bobby Knight moments.
I'm not objecting to their coaching style, btw. I'm just saying that this might be where Iowa has to eat their pride and pay out a million bucks up front to avoid disaster.
deanvogs
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I'm sure this is what Greisbaum is going to argue. To be frank about it, I have no idea if what Greisbaum was doing should have led to her firing. I just doubt very much that just like Meyer, that her firing had ZERO to do with her sex or sexual orientation.
HawkGold
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Seriously though, how many of us had a boss who wasn't qualified? It happens a lot in the public AND private sector. Think back to the election last November concerning either candidate. In the human story, logic doesn't always apply. It still gets down to whether or not she was discriminated against and it might not be as hard to prove as you might think.
Asked another way, if your son was on a high school football team and Doyle was leading training and your son was injured....and then the school patted him on his back and gave him a raise....how would you feel?
This isn't as easy as it seems. This has a lot of different angles on it. What you can't do is always apply what appears to be face value to humans. It like in the corn market looking at fundamentals v technicals. On a given day the technicals illogically win do to the human element as opposed to Vulcan..
SteveGarvey1
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While both sides look bad here, Iowa is an at-will state and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of discrimination based on Meyer's gender or sexual orientation. That said, in this day and age, it could still go bad for Barta and Iowa.
Fryowa
Administrator
I don't mean any disrespect in this at all, but politics and playing devil's advocate against the Hawkeye athletic department in the same post won't do anything but get you flamed here. You're preaching to the opposing choir.
Fryowa
Administrator
The only saving grace for Iowa may be that Greasebomb had students reporting her for her abuse. I'm not aware of any players turning against Brands or McCaffery. They both seem to have very loyal athletes who respect them.
Fryowa
Administrator
That's a bit of a strawman argument in reverse, there. It deflects the point of this trial away from what's actually being argued.
The issue isn't whether she was qualified. Whether she was qualified is just context of the whole matter. The real point is whether she was discriminated against which she hasn't provided evidence of (according to the media reports). Her qualifications, the strong evidence of nepotism, her well-documented history of being difficult to work with, and her insubordination are only being brought up by the defense as context for why she was fired. Don't forget that the true issue of this trial is whether there were legal reasons to fire her in an at will state. You're letting the tail wag the dog by bringing up the fact that a lot of bosses are under qualified. By itself that's irrelevant.
Should Barta have fired her sooner? Probably. Is that the issue at hand? No.
HawkGold
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No, my only point is that Hawkeye fans can't wish it away. You can make it look how you want and you are doing the same thing you are saying about me. And I do think your response was respectful. I have no idea how this will turn out. Getting to the outcome will not be as easy as many want it to be whether Iowa is at will or not. The fact is that they didn't fire her for bad behavior earlier and people can disagree about whether or not other programs had bad behavior and were ignored. Truth and apple pie is not always a part of our justice system nor how the real world works.
There is also the angle as to whether her behavior was a result of perceived harassment or discrimination. Then there is the human element. The element where all of us who are married know that our significant others see things differently...as will half or so of the jurors.
Harassment and Entertainment are really hard to prove even in what should be easy cases. Contrary to popular belief, it's really hard to win such cases due in part to conservative swings in courts. It's stacked against the accuser. That it's gotten this far is noteworthy.
Regardless, it's interesting entertainment.
