HawkGold
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You really don't want emergency labels removed for this.
Is the Iowa vax rate off limits or something?
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You really don't want emergency labels removed for this.
HawkGold
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How long ago was it that many docs smoked and smoking wasn't taboo? A lot a towns still have trash and leaf burning. Bad argument on masks.
There is a huge difference between a doctor sanitizing , putting on a surgical mask, then taking it off and throwing it away when done, and a person putting on a shitty cheap mask, taking it off and putting it in their pocket, then pulling it back out and throwing it on when they need it again.
If everyone wore the same masks as doctors and used a new one every time, the numbers would improve a lot. People don't do that. That's why masks don't work. Remember all the issues doctors were having with having to reuse masks because they didn't have enough and how dangerous it was for them?
The fact that the government hasn't made an effort to mass distribute n95 masks and never even mention the importance of how to properly wear a mask says a lot about either their opinions on how well masks actually work, or how little they care about ending the pandemic.
If everyone wore the same masks as doctors and used a new one every time, the numbers would improve a lot. People don't do that. That's why masks don't work. Remember all the issues doctors were having with having to reuse masks because they didn't have enough and how dangerous it was for them?
The fact that the government hasn't made an effort to mass distribute n95 masks and never even mention the importance of how to properly wear a mask says a lot about either their opinions on how well masks actually work, or how little they care about ending the pandemic.
Fryowa
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So is the argument that wearing masks out and about in daily life is the same as a doctor wearing a mask in a healthcare environment.
Sars viruses have always been around and always will be. Some are more severe than others. Not being fat and diabetic, and not smoking are the most effective masks you can buy.
Again, if an individual wants to wear a mask I wholeheartedly support it. Not even being sarcastic. But shaming people for not wearing one is ignorant. Ignorant to the real amount of risk, we and ignorant in regards to allowing media to scare you into submission.
If someone doesn’t like the fact that I don’t wear a mask they should get vaccinated. Kids? Exponentially less risk to their health than 50 other things that will injure or kill them. Vulnerable people who can’t get the vaccine? Very rare and I’m sorry, but they have bigger things to worry about and I’m not spending my life wearing a mask and not interacting with people for the probably less than 0.5% chance of coming across someone like that. I have a microscopic chance of transmitting it anyway, so that point is moot.
Wearing a mask to protect people (especially when said mask-wearer is vaccinated) is akin to ordering a Diet Coke with two quarter pounders and a large fry finished off with a pack of Marlboros. That ounce of “prevention” you did with the Diet Coke is canceled out a thousand times over by all the other risky shit you just did. It’s farcical, really.
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Fryowa
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The reason they’re taking the emergency label off is because it’s an emergency.
HawkGold
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You commented on Doc visits and it is not just about protecting staff.
Masks are worn during surgery because there's a huge chance of infection. Your body is cut up and people are messing with your insides. And maybe you weren't aware of this, but masks are also for the protection of those doing the work in case they get something on themselves....
Did your doctor have a mask on at every visit you had to the doctor your entire life? Did you have to wear a mask every time you visited someone in the hospital for the last 60 years of your life? How about a clinic waiting room where just about everyone os sick?
As per emergency label, you've commented on small of a risk there is. You can't have it both ways, it either is low risk or it's not. An emergency label means they aren't going through normal testing prior to release. I have watched these same company for decades get emergency labels for chemicals and genetic modification putting profits over real research and an abundance of caution. We just shouldn't go there unless absolutely necessary and it's not. Masks and weight loss are a couple of things that should come first prior to risking an entire population with lack of research.
Fryowa
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We're on the same page by and large. I don't think there's a ton of serious disagreement.
As far as the "emergency" approval being lifted, what you're suggesting is rational. But a huge portion of the populace isn't rational. They want to remove the "emergency" approval label because there are a lot of people--who don't think critically--that will get the vaccine as soon as they see on CNN or Fox that the vaccine has been approved.
Without ever thinking for themselves whether it's right for them or not.
Your suggestion would require people who can think for themselves and make rational decisions. That ain't America anymore.
HawkGold
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OK that I can agree with. We could give a 2000 dollar tax credit for normal BMI or for those really overweight say 1k for milestones. People would still have the choice.
Well people usually dont drop like flies around other people because usually there isnt a deadly, highly contagious disease virus floating in the air after being exhaled by people who are infected virus factories.
You didnt get the main point of my post which is masks do help a lot against spreading infectious agents yet some high ranking people think science says masks do not help.
The Univ of Indiana has mandated vaccines and a federal judge upheld their mandate.
The statement "you only put yourself at risk by choosing not to be vaccinated" could be one of the more ignorant statements I keep hearing. Since you can catch covid and be asymptomatic and then be a high spreader, especially with the Delta strain, you are dangerous to anyone you come into contact with. And without being vaccinated you have a high chance of getting it.
Unless you and others are going to be solitary monks.
Fryowa
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If you choose not to get vaccinated, then getting infected is your fault.
I'm vaccinated, and the statistical chances of me getting infected, getting sick, or dying are almost completely non-existent. Same with spreading it, and if I did spread it, that person should have gotten vaccinated so I won't feel guilty about it. Why should I be upset if someone who chose not to get vaccinated got sick?
Fryowa
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So the hell what?
See but I'm not dangerous to anyone. I'm vaccinated.
There were 105.4 traffic fatalities per day on average in the US in 2019. According to the CDC, the chance of breakthrough COIVD infections causing you to get sick let alone dying are .0008%
You driving your car everyday is HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of times more likely to injure or kill someone than me not wearing a mask, you heartless motherfucker. How DARE you endanger my CHILDREN with your 3,000 pound speeding DEATH MACHINE!!! All because you think you need to drive your big vehicle to work and to the store and on vacation. Are your legs broken that you can't walk or god forbid ride a bicycle? THESE ARE CHILDREN!!! They can't control being on the roads with your SUV barreling down the freeway with reckless abandon. You say you're a safe driver, but these are just KIDS and apparently their lives are completely worthless because you being able to drive is more important than these precious kids who have no control over the matter!!
How's that strike ya, Karen? Sounds kinda like a mask Nazi to me, the only difference being my example would actually save people's lives.
Look man, I'm all for you wearing a mask. I think it's totally fine and I don't disparage anyone for doing it. It's literally zero harm. But don't shame me for not wearing one because you watched too many segments on TV that are only there to convert you to the sheep herd so they can get clicks, views, and ad money.
If you want to make an impact on saving lives, quit driving, quit consuming alcohol, go to anti-smoking rallies, and call your local legislator and push them to ban carbs and make treadmill workouts compulsory. Cause that will actually produce results.
And lemme leave ya with this, Skeezix. I've been to Asia on business to visit factories where American bound goods are produced. If you REALLY want to make a difference on kids' welfare, stop buying clothes, furniture, decorations, anything at Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Bomgaar's, Costco, or any other store in the US. Those working conditions ain't pretty to say the least. Child slavery with no safety protections and 14 hour days is how I'd describe it, but I'll let you take a trip over there and see for yourself lest I try to influence you.
Glass1/2fullguy
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The data proves the vaccine does a great job in reducing hospitalizations and death. What it does not do is keep you from getting infected and potentially spreading the virus. And I'd argue any data "they" say they have on rates of infection are so bogus cause if the vaccine reduces and possibly eliminate symptoms then how would a vaccinated individual know they have covid and then why and would they be getting tested. Meaning we now potentially have millions of asymptomatic vaccinated people walking carrying the virus. Btw i'm all for the vaccine for those who need it.
And circling back around to discussing the vaccination rate of Iowa and the NCAA's ruling. I think it absolutely ridiculous the NCAA is forcing unvaccinated individuals to get tested regularly yet the vaccinated do not need to get tested at all. Just proves the narrative and agenda "they're" trying to push which is "force all individuals to get vaccinated". If the NCAA is not testing the vaccinated how then would they know if it's not a vaccinated individual who is the one that spreads the virus to an unvaccinated individual should that unvaccinated individual test positive? God forbid this happens and by only testing the unvaccinated they ensure it will not happen and therefore pushing the shame onto the unvaccinated individual for not being vaccinated.
Fryowa
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Source that the vaccine doesn't vastly reduce infection and spread? It's well known that these types of virus (this isn't brand new) spread exponentially easier from symptomatic and unvaccinated people.
And who cares what it does for transmission as long as the vaccine works?
Since the vaccine became available over 98% of hospitalizations and virtually all deaths have been in unvaccinated individuals. If you get sick and die but chose not to get vaccinated, that's not anyone's concern but your own. I'm sorry.
Let's look at this a different way, and you can answer two questions for me.
1) Why should anyone have mandates forced on them to protect individuals who consciously choose not to protect themselves?
2) Why are we trying to mandate prevention for things that have statistically no chance to kill us unless we choose not to prevent them ourselves (vaccination), yet we do not try to mandate prevention of the top 5 or 6 leading causes of death in our society?
3) Should the government be able to, under threat of some sort of punishment, ban the use of alcohol, tobacco, sugary soft drinks, carbohydrates above a certain level per day, saturated and trans fats above a certain level per day, mandate 1 hour of strenuous exercise each day, and ban all forms of individual motor vehicle travel?
That's a yes or no question. And it's totally valid because using or participating in all of those things are tens of thousands of times more likely to injure or kill you than covid if you're vaccinated. But for some reason we don't shame or mandate anyone into preventing them.
Iowa is pretty red now to be honest. Trump crushed here the last few times and many newish congress members got swept out both at the state and national level. It's not Utah but it's not Minnesota either.
The difference isn't exaggerated. Republicans are roughly six times more likely than Democrats to say they have no interest in being vaccinated, according to recent polls.
The partisan divide in vaccinations is starker than you realize
The effort to reach the unvaccinated has become the latest political fault line in the Covid response.
www.politico.com
Glass1/2fullguy
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https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article
You and i are by and large on the same page w/ almost everything you state in your posts. The only thing i disagreed w/ is your comment stating you're chances of getting infected are almost completely non-existent. I am all for "getting healthy as a nation" first and foremost. As to my answers to your questions:
1. I am 100% against ANY or ALL vaccine mandates. I will not get vaccinated as i intend for my immune system to do what it's intended to do. I'm 41, eat healthy, and i exercise regularly.
2. Again we're on the same page here. I'm all about promoting a healthy lifestyle and if people would take their health seriously we'd have a lot less hospitalizations and death from covid. This is what should have been preached for the past 18 months.
3. I'm for less government, not more. I believe people have the choice to live an unhealthy lifestyle but it also has consequences.
I'm not against anyone choosing to get vaccinated nor would i ever shame them for that or ever question their decision. They've made the choice that they feel is best for them. What i do have a problem w/ is anyone trying to shame me for my decision not to get vaccinated.
I agree with basically everything you're saying here. If people don't want to get vaxxed I strongly disagree with them but I don't think there should be a mandate or anything like that.
What I do think is that insurance companies shouldn't have to cover anybody for costs associated with people who get really sick and aren't vaccinated. Don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine, but if you get hospitalized or anything you pay the full bill. I think personal responsibility should extend to people's pocketbooks as well if that's the choice they want to make.
Glass1/2fullguy
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I believe it will be a problem for iowa but only because the unvaccinated are the ones who have to get tested. i think if everyone had to get tested it'd be a problem for every team.
