Is the Iowa vax rate off limits or something?

[okeefe4prez]

We're on the doorstep of requiring proof of vaccination.. in fact it's happening in NYC.

How well they can enforce it, prevent fake vaccination certificates etc., is another story.

The vaccination among blacks is under 30%. Based on the dudes I talk to in my neighborhood, it ain't going up materially any time soon. Gonna be really interesting to see the mental gymnastics instituted by some leftist judge when someone files a disparate impact racism lawsuit.

 

[PCHawk]

You have a brain. You use it to make decisions based off the available info. You are able to block out the noise on both the left and the right.

Many more, and this whole experience has proven its a pretty significant amount of our populace, fall for the fear factor, enjoy being told what to do or how to act, believe useless information, a gullible to the gills, and will obey anyone who says boo.

Like I said, the worst part is how these sheeple enjoy it, even embrace it. It's precisely the mindset that prevented us from getting out of the Great Depression sooner and it's the same mindset that will prolong this pan....I mean, the fear of this pandemic. Any many of our elected leaders will continue to prey on this mindset because that is how they push their agendas.

I just got back from eight days in the tropics, and I hugged more strangers than I ever have in my life, let alone the friends in my group.

I don't think the shit we read on social media lines up with what we are seeing in real life. On social media, half of the people are doom and gloom and the other half act like civid is nothing at all. In real life, most people are pretty much in the middle. I don't know a single real person under 65 who is deathly afraid of covid. I know of only a couple that think it's complete bs.

 

[RobHowe]

The vaccination among blacks is under 30%. Based on the dudes I talk to in my neighborhood, it ain't going up materially any time soon. Gonna be really interesting to see the mental gymnastics instituted by some leftist judge when someone files a disparate impact racism lawsuit.

I'm sure the dudes you talk to in your neighborhood are very open and honest with you. You're very fortunate to experience such diversity of thought.

 

[Fryowa]

I don't think the shit we read on social media lines up with what we are seeing in real life. On social media, half of the people are doom and gloom and the other half act like civid is nothing at all. In real life, most people are pretty much in the middle. I don't know a single real person under 65 who is deathly afraid of covid. I know of only a couple that think it's complete bs.

Doom and gloom gets clicks, and clicks = dollars.

As of yesterday my county has 12 active cases out of over 15,000 people, a seven day average of 4 new cases, and we haven't had a death since June 30. 42 deaths since the start of covid.

Now tell me the number of people in my county since March 2020 who have died from heart disease, smoking-related COPD, type 2 diabetes, or stroke, and try to justify why I should wear a mask when we still sell Marlboros and McDoubles on literally every street corner.

By the way, I love McDoubles. Never tried smoking, though.

 

[HawkGold]

Doom and gloom gets clicks, and clicks = dollars.

As of yesterday my county has 12 active cases out of over 15,000 people, a seven day average of 4 new cases, and we haven't had a death since June 30. 42 deaths since the start of covid.

Now tell me the number of people in my county since March 2020 who have died from heart disease, smoking-related COPD, type 2 diabetes, or stroke, and try to justify why I should wear a mask when we still sell Marlboros and McDoubles on literally every street corner.

By the way, I love McDoubles. Never tried smoking, though.

Are you overweight?

 

[RobHowe]

I'm overweight. I'm working on it. And I don't eat fast food much.

 

[Fryowa]

I'm overweight. I'm working on it. And I don't eat fast food much.

My post wasn't so much to shame overweight people, it was to try and convey the absolute absurdity of shaming unvaccinated people and people who won't wear masks. I'm not anti vax, btw. I very much for it.

If you're a vaccinated adult your chances of getting sick, let alone seriously sick or dying are infinitesimally small. If you're a healthy young person, same thing. Furthermore, if you're a healthy unvaccinated adult, your chances of being very sick are small. More kids die of a myriad of other diseases, accidents, what have you, than ever die or even get permanently sick from covid, yet we don't shame people for driving their kids in the back seat of their car, or buying Happy Meals, etc, when those things are orders of magnitude more risky than covid now that there are effective vaccines.

There are exponentially bigger fish to fry in society when it comes to public health, but media has driven a firestorm on the left and right because they like the money and clicks they get from sensationalism over common sense and rationality. The media and partisan talking heads (both sides, this isn't just a right left issue) have completely distorted the truth leaving us to only choose one of two sides...either the government is shitting on your rights by forcing a vaccine down your throat that's going to kill you and track you with microchips (repubs) or that the virus is a raging plague of death and destruction that is going to reduce the planet down to nothing but a pile of rotted bodies in six months unless every man woman and child gets vaccinated and wears an N95 for the next 15 years and never hug anyone again (dems). In our hearts, Rob, we both know the answer is in the middle...even though we don't want to concede an inch to the other "team."

Again, I maintain if you (anyone...not just you, Rob) let your minor child drive a vehicle to school every day, you are putting them in FAR greater danger than anything posed by the coronavirus. Like comically greater danger. Yet we still do it. I do it. Both dangers are preventable, and the example I gave is easily remedied by either riding the bus (statistically safer) or driving them to school yourself (still WAAAAY riskier than covid).

Sure, it might be an inconvenience to drive your 17 year old to school, but is a little inconvenience worth the life of your child? See how I put the little emotional and irrational spin on it like the media does???

There are a hundred different examples of the risk scenario I talked about above...not just driving. When we let Twitter, Facebook, and the conservative and liberal talking heads make our decisions for us based on sensationalism vs. using our own brains for critical thinking, what have we accomplished?

 

[RobHowe]

Oh, I'm not offended. I know I'm overweight and know it's unhealthy.

I was in great shape in my 30s, ran everyday and had a better diet. I was in decent shape throughout by 40s. I let things go in my 50s and the pandemic was not good for me.

I'm vaccinated.

I wear a mask when required or recommended.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe it does. I do it because there's chance I can keep others safe at a minor inconvenience to me.

 

[Glass1/2fullguy]

My post wasn't so much to shame overweight people, it was to try and convey the absolute absurdity of shaming unvaccinated people and people who won't wear masks. I'm not anti vax, btw. I very much for it.

If you're a vaccinated adult your chances of getting sick, let alone seriously sick or dying are infinitesimally small. If you're a healthy young person, same thing. Furthermore, if you're a healthy unvaccinated adult, your chances of being very sick are small. More kids die of a myriad of other diseases, accidents, what have you, than ever die or even get permanently sick from covid, yet we don't shame people for driving their kids in the back seat of their car, or buying Happy Meals, etc, when those things are orders of magnitude more risky than covid now that there are effective vaccines.

There are exponentially bigger fish to fry in society when it comes to public health, but media has driven a firestorm on the left and right because they like the money and clicks they get from sensationalism over common sense and rationality. The media and partisan talking heads (both sides, this isn't just a right left issue) have completely distorted the truth leaving us to only choose one of two sides...either the government is shitting on your rights by forcing a vaccine down your throat that's going to kill you and track you with microchips (repubs) or that the virus is a raging plague of death and destruction that is going to reduce the planet down to nothing but a pile of rotted bodies in six months unless every man woman and child gets vaccinated and wears an N95 for the next 15 years and never hug anyone again (dems). In our hearts, Rob, we both know the answer is in the middle...even though we don't want to concede an inch to the other "team."

Again, I maintain if you (anyone...not just you, Rob) let your minor child drive a vehicle to school every day, you are putting them in FAR greater danger than anything posed by the coronavirus. Like comically greater danger. Yet we still do it. I do it. Both dangers are preventable, and the example I gave is easily remedied by either riding the bus (statistically safer) or driving them to school yourself (still WAAAAY riskier than covid).

Sure, it might be an inconvenience to drive your 17 year old to school, but is a little inconvenience worth the life of your child? See how I put the little emotional and irrational spin on it like the media does???

There are a hundred different examples of the risk scenario I talked about above...not just driving. When we let Twitter, Facebook, and the conservative and liberal talking heads make our decisions for us based on sensationalism vs. using our own brains for critical thinking, what have we accomplished?

I'm on the same page w/ you on so many of your comments in this thread. I've been saying similar things regarding health & lifestyle choices over the last 12 months when discussing covid & vaccines w/ friends and/or family. Even before covid, my wife and i try to stay healthy by making choices we feel is best for us. We exercise multiple times a week and try to have healthy eating habits. We did not pump EVERY recommended vaccine in our kid's arm after they were born, we never get the flu vaccine, and we won't be getting a covid vaccine either. Everyone in my family has experienced influenza as well as covid. Our decision has nothing to do w/ politics but everything to do w/ what we believe is best for us and the health of our family.

 

[PCHawk]

We could eliminate nearly 100% of of car accident deaths by lowering the speed limit to 30 on the interstate. As a society,, we accept all those avoidable deaths so we can get places faster.

 

[PCHawk]

Doom and gloom gets clicks, and clicks = dollars.

As of yesterday my county has 12 active cases out of over 15,000 people, a seven day average of 4 new cases, and we haven't had a death since June 30. 42 deaths since the start of covid.

Now tell me the number of people in my county since March 2020 who have died from heart disease, smoking-related COPD, type 2 diabetes, or stroke, and try to justify why I should wear a mask when we still sell Marlboros and McDoubles on literally every street corner.

By the way, I love McDoubles. Never tried smoking, though.

The saying "if you have to try to convince people they are in a pandemic, they aren't in a pandemic" really says a lot to me. If I never watched the news or got on social media, I wouldn't even know covid was a big deal at all.

 

[okeefe4prez]

There are exponentially bigger fish to fry in society when it comes to public health, but media has driven a firestorm on the left and right because they like the money and clicks they get from sensationalism over common sense and rationality.

The mass media in the United States is by and large propaganda. There are five filters that drive media in our "free society":

1) Concentration of ownership (oligarchs or massive corps own every primary means of information dissemination)
2) Sourcing of information (a whole crapload of what is presented as "reputable" or "official" comes from an extremely limited set of sources, but it has to because actual investigative journalism costs a shitload of money so instead of finding a story, companies just regurgitate a story and add their own editorializing)
3) Advertising (don't upset the advertisers)
4) Flak (will you lose users/viewers/subscribers based on a viewpoint)
5) Fear (which has been manifested as anti-communism, anti-terrorism and many other things; ultimately organizations involved in information understand that fear draws "repeat business" because "media consumers" want evermore information regarding the things that scare them)

Every one of us, regardless of political beliefs, on some level understands this model. A leftist can watch something on "Faux Noise" and realize how it is designed to stoke fear or outrage or perhaps they can remember how many anti-war people were chastised as being unAmerican for not wanting to rush into war after 9/11.

We can all remember the days where the man on TV said that we should get our Halloween candy x-rayed because bad people were loading up candy with razor blades. We can all remember Uncle Sugar telling us why we had to immediately pass the PATRIOT Act or else the country would be destroyed by terrorists. Mass media in this country is pushing absolutely insidious bullshit and user generated platforms are as well.

The media does not exist to inform, it exists to make money. Journalism is all but dead. Guys like Rob are good in their little niches, but the laws of economics are even crushing that sort of work. If you have an upstart media outfit these days, the only way to make money is by developing a user base seeking to fulfill a confirmation bias, so you get shit like Young Turks or OAN as the only sustainable model to build a viable upstart.

 

[HawkGold]

Regardless of politics and opinions about media (and I agree with this w/ PC) the risk for the healthy and not overweight is pretty small but there are more risks. We are seeing the 2 variant hitting young and healthy people more, but right now I'll choose to not inject a substance into my body.

We vaccinated our kids like Glass, but did have a vax injury with one child and one grandson who already had health issues.

I am getting TOTALLY tired of being harassed for not being vaccinated by friends and family. It's ridiculous, though my bil did have a severe case of covid and does struggle in the long term. He's in his 50s and in decent shape otherwise.

When people harass me I say nothing unless they are overweight and now not afraid to say they are a big part of the equation. We all pay for obesity.

To PC about 911, we have a million dead Iraqi's over oil for our freedom to have large oil corps make money. The war in Ukraine is also related thx to Biden to take shots at both sides.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Oh, I'm not offended. I know I'm overweight and know it's unhealthy.

I was in great shape in my 30s, ran everyday and had a better diet. I was in decent shape throughout by 40s. I let things go in my 50s and the pandemic was not good for me.

I'm vaccinated.

I wear a mask when required or recommended.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe it does. I do it because there's chance I can keep others safe at a minor inconvenience to me.

It wasn't the pandemic.

It was moderating this board.

@Fryowa beware!

 

[Northside Hawk]

We could eliminate nearly 100% of of car accident deaths by lowering the speed limit to 30 on the interstate. As a society,, we accept all those avoidable deaths so we can get places faster.

Don't give them any ideas or governors will be installed faster than you can say Buford T Justice....

I also believe helmets will be required in all vehicles within my lifetime.

 

[Northside Hawk]

The mass media in the United States is by and large propaganda. There are five filters that drive media in our "free society":

1) Concentration of ownership (oligarchs or massive corps own every primary means of information dissemination)
2) Sourcing of information (a whole crapload of what is presented as "reputable" or "official" comes from an extremely limited set of sources, but it has to because actual investigative journalism costs a shitload of money so instead of finding a story, companies just regurgitate a story and add their own editorializing)
3) Advertising (don't upset the advertisers)
4) Flak (will you lose users/viewers/subscribers based on a viewpoint)
5) Fear (which has been manifested as anti-communism, anti-terrorism and many other things; ultimately organizations involved in information understand that fear draws "repeat business" because "media consumers" want evermore information regarding the things that scare them)

Every one of us, regardless of political beliefs, on some level understands this model. A leftist can watch something on "Faux Noise" and realize how it is designed to stoke fear or outrage or perhaps they can remember how many anti-war people were chastised as being unAmerican for not wanting to rush into war after 9/11.

We can all remember the days where the man on TV said that we should get our Halloween candy x-rayed because bad people were loading up candy with razor blades. We can all remember Uncle Sugar telling us why we had to immediately pass the PATRIOT Act or else the country would be destroyed by terrorists. Mass media in this country is pushing absolutely insidious bullshit and user generated platforms are as well.

The media does not exist to inform, it exists to make money. Journalism is all but dead. Guys like Rob are good in their little niches, but the laws of economics are even crushing that sort of work. If you have an upstart media outfit these days, the only way to make money is by developing a user base seeking to fulfill a confirmation bias, so you get shit like Young Turks or OAN as the only sustainable model to build a viable upstart.

Ken it was pins in popcorn balls.

Not razor blades. C'mon get your facts straight.

LOL

 

[uihawk82]

It's the scariest part of the upcoming season at this time.

Really tempted to put $$'s on the Under for Iowa's win total. Will wait for a mid-August update. Would not take much for a positive case and then contact-traced houseful of teammates to have a major impact on the team

Why the hell hasnt the UI mandated vaxxing by students is beyond me. F Gov Dimmy of Iowa who says the science doesnt support wearing masks during a pandemic. If that is the case that masks do not help then why the hell do doctors, nurses and everyone in an operating room and in much of the hospital wear masks. Gov Dimmy is stupid

 

[Northside Hawk]

Why the hell hasnt the UI mandated vaxxing by students is beyond me. F Gov Dimmy of Iowa who says the science doesnt support wearing masks during a pandemic. If that is the case that masks do not help then why the hell do doctors, nurses and everyone in an operating room and in much of the hospital wear masks. Gov Dimmy is stupid

Fauci expects the FDA to remove the "emergency status" tag within the next few weeks. If and when that happens, then you will see the stampede to require vaccinations on a wide scale including colleges.

 

[Fryowa]

Why the hell hasnt the UI mandated vaxxing by students is beyond me.

All students and staff are adults, right? And all adults have the option to get the vaccine for free, correct?

So the only one put at risk by choosing not to be vaccinated is yourself? Because even an exceedingly, ridiculously rare instance of a breakthrough infection (infection after being vaccinated) doesn't pose a substantial risk of getting sick or hospitalized.

I don't see the problem here.

 

[Fryowa]

F Gov Dimmy of Iowa who says the science doesnt support wearing masks during a pandemic. If that is the case that masks do not help then why the hell do doctors, nurses and everyone in an operating room and in much of the hospital wear masks.

Masks are worn during surgery because there's a huge chance of infection. Your body is cut up and people are messing with your insides. And maybe you weren't aware of this, but masks are also for the protection of those doing the work in case they get something on themselves....

Did your doctor have a mask on at every visit you had to the doctor your entire life? Did you have to wear a mask every time you visited someone in the hospital for the last 60 years of your life? How about a clinic waiting room where just about everyone os sick?

We know the answer is no, and people haven't dropped like flies because of it in the past. You're letting whatever news source you watch/read scare into submission.