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DDThompson
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I saw that tonight. Pretty funny
Is Luka Getting Too Cocky?
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DDThompson
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Joe T waved at the bench too.
Just a wild guess that Rutgers was doing some chirping because Iowa isn’t known for this unless someone else initiates it.
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DDThompson
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There you go. I guessed this was happening. Thanks.
Oh , And my prognostication ability....
Some major similarities: both players are leading contenders for B1G player of the year, both have been dominating their competition, both have always played with incredible fire.
Here is a major difference: Doyle did this ONCE, with 45 seconds left, after pretty much single-handedly willing her team to victory. This was her last 5 minutes:
- drives, draws extra defender, delivers spectacular no-look pass for layup (Hawks now up 4)
- next possession, knocks down jumper at the end of the shot-clock (Hawks up 6)
- next possession, makes driving layup as shot-clock winds down (Hawks up 7)
- Hawks don't score on next possession (Meyer misses shot), OSU hits 3 pt to bring them within 4
- Next possession Doyle draws the foul, makes 2 FT (Hawks by 6)
- After an OSU bucket, Doyle again draws the foul, makes 2 FT (Hawks by 6)
- Hawks get a stop, Meyer makes to FT, OSU gets a bucket (Hawks by 6)
- Doyle dribbles out the shot-clock, drives and finishes through heavy contact for the and-one (makes FT with 45 seconds left, 9 point lead, game over)
- Doyle flexes
KCTrainer
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It’s only cockiness if he can’t back it up. He is becoming extremely confident in his ability which is a good thing. He nailed 2 key 3’s and had 3 or 4 blocks the other night. He is playing at a truly ELITE level, not just for an Iowa player, but in all of college basketball on any year. I watched nearly every duke game last year. Zion Williamson was extremely confident and balled out pretty much every game. His avg on the season was 22.6 PT’s and 8.9 Rbs. Here we are 19 games into the season and Luka is averaging 23.2 PT’s and 10.3 Rbs against one of the toughest schedules in the country. He is straight up Balling and is the #1 player in the country right now and it’s not even a debate. Keep doing your thing Luka!
There is a huge generational divide on this topic, I feel. Great players have always been arrogant (it is a big part of what makes them great), and as someone else noted, trash talk has always been a huge part of BB.
But a generation ago (when I was growing up), the trash-talk stayed between players. MJ or Bird would tell their opponent that they were about to get dominated. But they never went to great, theatrical lengths to communicate to the crowd how dismissive they were of the opponent. The spirit of the interactions was the same, but it "stayed on the court," so to speak. I think I liked it better that way. Then when the court-side mics picked that up, you felt like you were getting an inside peak at something special that was rarely seen.
But a generation ago (when I was growing up), the trash-talk stayed between players. MJ or Bird would tell their opponent that they were about to get dominated. But they never went to great, theatrical lengths to communicate to the crowd how dismissive they were of the opponent. The spirit of the interactions was the same, but it "stayed on the court," so to speak. I think I liked it better that way. Then when the court-side mics picked that up, you felt like you were getting an inside peak at something special that was rarely seen.
I like the grand, theatrical things, as long as they are used sparingly and at the right moments. As I mentioned above, Doyle's flex was absolutely at the right moment. I loved the Keith Duncan side-line stare-down in Lincoln (bonus points for that one because he is a kicker). Some of JBo's antics get a little tiring to me, but when he makes his HUGE shots (and he has made a lot of those), the way he projects that he absolutely knew that shot was going in is pretty awesome.
MelroseHawkins
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MelroseHawkins
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She's been so clutch. This Iowa women's team has been such a nice surprise after losing an All-American.
MelroseHawkins
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ssckelley
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You're kidding about MJ, right? He was probably one of the greatest trash talkers in the game and he did have theatrics that he communicated with everyone that was in the arena (fans, players, everybody).
I grew up during this era as well, I don't think our generation was any better or worse than the one now.
Certainly not better or worse, people are people and that hasn't really changed over time. But social norms for interacting have definitely changed.
I mentioned that MJ was a trash-talker (legendary in that regard, along with Bird), but he never had choreographed "moves" he would bust out after a great play. He would side-talk his opponent on the way down the court, he would give dismissive glares, he might shake his head...all subtle things. He might get in a guy's face, shove him, fight him, but none of it was ever for show. What is his most memorable "theatrical" move? A spontaneous shoulder shrug to his buddy Ahmad after he hit a ton of 3's in a quarter.
These days, everything has to be a production, from trash-talk and on-court antics to asking a girl out on a date. It is not wrong or right, it is just different.
ssckelley
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Certainly not better or worse, people are people and that hasn't really changed over time. But social norms for interacting have definitely changed.
I mentioned that MJ was a trash-talker (legendary in that regard, along with Bird), but he never had choreographed "moves" he would bust out after a great play. He would side-talk his opponent on the way down the court, he would give dismissive glares, he might shake his head...all subtle things. He might get in a guy's face, shove him, fight him, but none of it was ever for show. What is his most memorable "theatrical" move? A spontaneous shoulder shrug to his buddy Ahmad after he hit a ton of 3's in a quarter.
These days, everything has to be a production, from trash-talk and on-court antics to asking a girl out on a date. It is not wrong or right, it is just different.
The clouds have been especially irksome of late.
