Iowa was a few plays away from being 9-3 Last season...seriously

[RocknRollface]

Haven't read the thread so Im sure this has been mentioned but the fact that Iowa had so many close losses to such pathetic opponents just renforces how pathetic the coaching was.

Poor clock management, just basic all around confusion, couldn't do anything on offense, absurd route designs, no snaps for anyone but Vandy, jumping out of the way of an on side kick when you're on the recovery team, punting at the 30 ect ect.

Just all around pathetic. That schedule was a gift that should have allowed Iowa to win 8 games in spite of rebuilding and they bungled it to a nearly unbelievable level.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Haven't read the thread so Im sure this has been mentioned but the fact that Iowa had so many close losses to such pathetic opponents just renforces how pathetic the coaching was.

Poor clock management, just basic all around confusion, couldn't do anything on offense, absurd route designs, no snaps for anyone but Vandy, jumping out of the way of an on side kick when you're on the recovery team, punting at the 30 ect ect.

Just all around pathetic. That schedule was a gift that should have allowed Iowa to win 8 games in spite of rebuilding and they bungled it to a nearly unbelievable level.

Winonethiscentury maybe you needed to hear this from sombody other than me.

This doesnt sound like the players or coaches are mentally prepared. Seems as though keeping games close wins you nothing.

 

[deanvogs]

Thats my point. What coach wouldnt have the success that Kirk had if they had Greene, Banks and some of the best defenses n the country? Thanks for helping me with my point Dean.

So lets take away the years that Kirk had those players and what do we have? See the reason why people think Kirk is good comes down to only a couple of years. The rest are 7/8 win seasons with losses to awful teams.

The derp you produce is simply amazing at times OOTH. All I can do is marvel at it.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

The derp you produce is simply amazing at times OOTH. All I can do is marvel at it.

Great argument. I think the same about you .......so there


It amazes me that you prove my point and then say its derp? I thought you were better than that. The fact that you have no response saids it all.

 

[deanvogs]

Great argument. I think the same about you .......so there


It amazes me that you prove my point and then say its derp? I thought you were better than that. The fact that you have no response saids it all.

It isn't that I have no response. It is that you don't hear anything.

How does a team acquire good players? How can you not credit the head coach for either bringing in talented players, or spotting under the radar players and then developing them? How in the world is that NOT good coaching either way?

You just refuse to give any credit at all to KF for his great years. Before it was all Norm, now it is all talented players. I mean it is like talking to a wall. It begins and ends at the top. When Iowa doesn't have enough talent, and they have mediocre records, that is KF fault. When they do have high end talent, and are winning, that credit goes to the head coach. How can you not see this? That is why I say to you DERP, because things that obviously prove that a head coach is doing a good job, you just say, oh well who can't win with talent.....To that I say, no sh1t Sherlock, but who is bringing in those talented players???

Either way I'm done with you, not because I have no response, and not because I think I am proving your points (I certainly am not, you just can't see it). You have your opinion and nothing will change that opinion that KF lucked into BIG championships, BCS games, and top 10 finishes. I'm tired of trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 4 (that those things happened because of good head coaching at the top).

 

[LASBUR]

Im not sure jumping out of the way of a onside kick, is coaching. The kid just didnt execute. Have a hard time blaming coaching on that

Haven't read the thread so Im sure this has been mentioned but the fact that Iowa had so many close losses to such pathetic opponents just renforces how pathetic the coaching was.

Poor clock management, just basic all around confusion, couldn't do anything on offense, absurd route designs, no snaps for anyone but Vandy, jumping out of the way of an on side kick when you're on the recovery team, punting at the 30 ect ect.

Just all around pathetic. That schedule was a gift that should have allowed Iowa to win 8 games in spite of rebuilding and they bungled it to a nearly unbelievable level.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Winonethiscentury maybe you needed to hear this from sombody other than me.

This doesnt sound like the players or coaches are mentally prepared. Seems as though keeping games close wins you nothing.

I'm with Deanvogs on this one...dude, how old are you...10? And for the last time, I said his teams are mentally prepared to play...and therefore give great effort. I didn't say players don't make mental mistakes during the game. There's a difference you dumbarse. I can't explain it any longer.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

Im not sure jumping out of the way of a onside kick, is coaching. The kid just didnt execute. Have a hard time blaming coaching on that

Maybe a stupid question, but don't the coaches have to teach the players how to "execute properly" when recovering an onside kick? If the players don't do it right, then what does that say?

 

[1977Hawkeye]

It isn't that I have no response. It is that you don't hear anything.

How does a team acquire good players? How can you not credit the head coach for either bringing in talented players, or spotting under the radar players and then developing them? How in the world is that NOT good coaching either way?

You just refuse to give any credit at all to KF for his great years. Before it was all Norm, now it is all talented players. I mean it is like talking to a wall. It begins and ends at the top. When Iowa doesn't have enough talent, and they have mediocre records, that is KF fault. When they do have high end talent, and are winning, that credit goes to the head coach. How can you not see this? That is why I say to you DERP, because things that obviously prove that a head coach is doing a good job, you just say, oh well who can't win with talent.....To that I say, no sh1t Sherlock, but who is bringing in those talented players???

Either way I'm done with you, not because I have no response, and not because I think I am proving your points (I certainly am not, you just can't see it). You have your opinion and nothing will change that opinion that KF lucked into BIG championships, BCS games, and top 10 finishes. I'm tired of trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 4 (that those things happened because of good head coaching at the top).

I think Ferentz, like any other coach in the country, does well when he has the players to work with, and not so well when he doesn't. 2002-04, and 2008-09, the talent level was obviously better (at least in my opinion) than in other years when Iowa only won 6-7 regular season games. 2006 & 2010 might be exceptions, but my point remains.

Everyone keeps saying "The players just didn't execute". Isn't it easier for the players to "execute" when they are more talented to begin with? There's that old saying: "It's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's".

Ok, guess I contradicted my previous post a bit with this one, but I guess on any given play, it's possible that the players just didn't get the job done. But if you see the same mistakes over and over, then IMO you might look at what the players are being taught. There's a lot of gray area on that subject.

 

[LASBUR]

Do you not think he was coached on this. Sometime people just dont do what they are taught. If I remeber right it was CJ. Not a freshman. Have you ever managed someone who just didnt do their job as trained. You have to be realistic. Sometimes people just dont do what they are taught. Do you think they taught a 5th year Sr. to comitt a personel foul a few plays later that put the other team in FG range ? Come on man. Be critical where it is deserved but thats crazy

Maybe a stupid question, but don't the coaches have to teach the players how to "execute properly" when recovering an onside kick? If the players don't do it right, then what does that say?

 

[HomerChampless]

Can't reason with a KF lover... or hater, for that matter.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

There have been many different groups of players that couldnt cover onside kicks at Iowa. Thats a coaching problem.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

It isn't that I have no response. It is that you don't hear anything.

How does a team acquire good players? How can you not credit the head coach for either bringing in talented players, or spotting under the radar players and then developing them? How in the world is that NOT good coaching either way?

You just refuse to give any credit at all to KF for his great years. Before it was all Norm, now it is all talented players. I mean it is like talking to a wall. It begins and ends at the top. When Iowa doesn't have enough talent, and they have mediocre records, that is KF fault. When they do have high end talent, and are winning, that credit goes to the head coach. How can you not see this? That is why I say to you DERP, because things that obviously prove that a head coach is doing a good job, you just say, oh well who can't win with talent.....To that I say, no sh1t Sherlock, but who is bringing in those talented players???

Either way I'm done with you, not because I have no response, and not because I think I am proving your points (I certainly am not, you just can't see it). You have your opinion and nothing will change that opinion that KF lucked into BIG championships, BCS games, and top 10 finishes. I'm tired of trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 4 (that those things happened because of good head coaching at the top).

You just keep saying the same thing. Ive given kirk credit for those years thats fine he did bring those players in and he did hire those coaches. Ive said that 10 times to you Dean but you cant read. However if he doesnt have those things then there is no reason to keep him around.

If kirk cant bring in that high of talent and he cant replace his DC and OC then he doesnt deserve a job anymore.

If thats your big point then dean lets say it......Kirk was the bestest coach in the world for three seasons.

However you can call me names like DP5555555 and Winonethiscentury and then say your done talking to me. Thats fine.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

I'm with Deanvogs on this one...dude, how old are you...10? And for the last time, I said his teams are mentally prepared to play...and therefore give great effort. I didn't say players don't make mental mistakes during the game. There's a difference you dumbarse. I can't explain it any longer.

Youre right the players on Kirks teams just make mental error on a regular basis but they are totally mentally prepared to play.

They are mentally prepared to run a 2 minute drill

Specail teams have been very mentally prepared.

Sr. QB very mentally prepared to only look at one wr. very mentally prepared to know what one of his wrs is doing.

But like you said.......they always keep it close.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

I'm with Deanvogs on this one...dude, how old are you...10? And for the last time, I said his teams are mentally prepared to play...and therefore give great effort. I didn't say players don't make mental mistakes during the game. There's a difference you dumbarse. I can't explain it any longer.

Its funny how you ask how old I am then call me a name.

 

[Golfer]

Iowa could be, and probably will be a better team this year. They also could have just as bad of a record, or worse. I'd speculate we'll be a running team, and if there is any truth to what was said after spring practice, this could be our chance. Maybe our only chance. The optimism would come from the improved offensive line, and 3 decent running backs. Even if we lose two of them, we'll be further ahead here then in many past years.

Greg Davis gets a couple of years before the jury is in. After that, the jury can, and will speak. The one thing that could work to our advantage, and I prefaced this with the word could, is that the painful passing game actually did open up the running game to a degree last year.

If I could change one thing from last season it would be the injuries against PSU. Up until then we had the potential to salvage some extra practice time in November and December. The injuries against PSU in my estimation really ended the year.

I think it also needs to be said that last season was the result of some events 3-5 year prior.

That's my post, have fun with it.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Youre right the players on Kirks teams just make mental error on a regular basis but they are totally mentally prepared to play.

They are mentally prepared to run a 2 minute drill

Specail teams have been very mentally prepared.


Sr. QB very mentally prepared to only look at one wr. very mentally prepared to know what one of his wrs is doing.

But like you said.......they always keep it close.

Dude...you just need to stop posting. It's ridiculous. You come across like a complete and utter moron. And I'm trying to be nice. We all get you don't like Kirk Ferentz and you don't feel he's a good coach...never mind the fact that, believe it or not, he's had some success in the Win Loss equation as well as developing players for the NFL.

You've taken one thing I've said and made it some kind of quest to prove me wrong. I'll say it again, when I say his teams are mentally prepared to play, I mean that they are committed and have a desire to win, and they don't quit. The point I made was that for 4-5 years, there was not a ball game that they did not have a chance to win late in the fourth quarter. You can do that unless your team comes to play every freaking game. Please don't cite individual lapses of judgement during as an argument to the point I was trying to make. It's not the same thing. There, I've spelled it out again. If you come back and say we can't field a onside kick again, I'm going to ask for a ruling from the moderator. You need your privileges revoked.

Can't wait to hear your response.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Dude...you just need to stop posting. It's ridiculous. You come across like a complete and utter moron. And I'm trying to be nice. We all get you don't like Kirk Ferentz and you don't feel he's a good coach...never mind the fact that, believe it or not, he's had some success in the Win Loss equation as well as developing players for the NFL.

You've taken one thing I've said and made it some kind of quest to prove me wrong. I'll say it again, when I say his teams are mentally prepared to play, I mean that they are committed and have a desire to win, and they don't quit. The point I made was that for 4-5 years, there was not a ball game that they did not have a chance to win late in the fourth quarter. You can do that unless your team comes to play every freaking game. Please don't cite individual lapses of judgement during as an argument to the point I was trying to make. It's not the same thing. There, I've spelled it out again. If you come back and say we can't field a onside kick again, I'm going to ask for a ruling from the moderator. You need your privileges revoked.

Can't wait to hear your response.

So its okay for you to repeat yourself but now along with name calling you are going to go tell on me?

Remember you asked how old I was? Then you go to name calling. Now you are gonna go tell?

Remember also you said you were done responding to me. You cant prove your point and so you claim your done talking to me and call me some names. Is that how you win an argument.

Now I could understand this if I was attacking you or how smart you are. All this because you dont agree with me about a football coach? Its just an argument you need to remember that. Arguments dont need name calling you dont have to go tell anyone when you cant prove your point.

See the thing is you want me to stop posting because you cant prove me wrong you cant argue with me. So you do the following to try to win
1-name calling
2- Proclaim that you are not going to respond and then post your point one more time.
3- Im going to go tell because you keep saying the same thing.



If I was really too stupid for you to have an argument with you would have just stopped posting.




Go ask the mod if all the kirk fans that call me names should be "revoked"?

 

[FreedComanche]

So its okay for you to repeat yourself but now along with name calling you are going to go tell on me?

Remember you asked how old I was? Then you go to name calling. Now you are gonna go tell?

Remember also you said you were done responding to me. You cant prove your point and so you claim your done talking to me and call me some names. Is that how you win an argument.

Now I could understand this if I was attacking you or how smart you are. All this because you dont agree with me about a football coach? Its just an argument you need to remember that. Arguments dont need name calling you dont have to go tell anyone when you cant prove your point.

See the thing is you want me to stop posting because you cant prove me wrong you cant argue with me. So you do the following to try to win
1-name calling
2- Proclaim that you are not going to respond and then post your point one more time.
3- Im going to go tell because you keep saying the same thing.



If I was really too stupid for you to have an argument with you would have just stopped posting.




Go ask the mod if all the kirk fans that call me names should be "revoked"?

Ooth, if you were a boxer, you'd be a very good counter puncher. I especially like your body blows.

FreedComanche

 

[LASBUR]

ST Have not been good for several years. That is on KF, OK ? But on that play do you really think a Jr does not know he is suppose to recover the ball not run away from it ? He learned that in Jr High Your hatred for KF makes you seem less than credible. If you want to win people to your point of view. Be objective.

There have been many different groups of players that couldnt cover onside kicks at Iowa. Thats a coaching problem.