Iowa QB Quality

hwk23 said:
I'm not basing my opinion just on stats. Read what I've written previously. Regardless those stats are not "slightly better". Rudock had 6.0 ypa while Sokol had 10.2 ypa. JVB had 5.8 ypa last year (and that was 110th in the nation) so Rudock's stats were very simialr to JVB last year. The better question is why is Rudock the presumptive starter on this board when KF has made it very clear there will be no decisions until halfway through camp.
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Rudock had more attempts than Sokol so it's only natural his YPA is a smaller number. I'm not gonna argue semantics with you. I simply think you are placing a ridiculous amount of focus on a single practice. I don't think anyone on this board is anointing Rudock the starter. He has to earn it. The majority of people realize out of the three guys he's the only one with the experience edge, and he's a very intelligent guy. Those are things we all know Ferentz prefers in his QB. Now if Sokol or Beathard goes out and takes the starting spot then that's awesome because it means they beat out a very capable young man.

Let's just let the players compete before trying to justify who should be "the man". The competition could very well go into the first few games. By that point it should be pretty clear who the best player is, and we'll have a lot more than simply one practice to base our opinions on.
 
hwk23 said:
You sure seem to write a helluva lot for someone who "doesn't care".
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I don't care who starts. What does baffle me is someone who can be sooooo dead set that one QB is way better than another due to a Spring game, and a GD interview.....
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
And absolutely what I do not like about derp Davis and his system. How the hell can we have an identity, a scheme, a system if we just say we're going to improvise every play. Wow.
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I'm not saying I disagree with you, I would rather have an identity like Wisconsin (65-70% run behind big OL). Wisconsin has had similar talent over the years but they crap pound lessor teams and they almost always are towards the top in scoring in the Big Ten.

That being said, GD is the OC so I think we (our coaches) need to figure out how to make it work. We have too much talent just to see another repeat of last year, which I think is possible. GD has coached in two NC games the past 8 years and the strength of those Texas teams was offense, so I think he's qualified to handle the offense by himself. He only had 1 single bad year at Texas after changing QBs and that got him fired.

I'm not sure mixing philosophies will work, there's a history of this not working at other places according to an article I read last year, but I'm pretty sure GD can make it work independently.

That's why I think KF should delegate the offense, especially the QB and passing game, with minimal input (if he hasn't already) or hire a new OC with similar philosophy. GD has said in interviews what he thinks will work so I hope KF will listen. I think he will.
 
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Yes, decide on philosophies and do not mix them. We need to decide what we are going to be, everyone needs to know what that is, and they need to be able to operate it all day long w out mistakes. Even with that said though I don't think the coaches have made this decision (Just my speculation based on the offense last year and comments from this year) which will have similar results this year if identity and strategy aren't specifically identified.
 
HawkeyeMHA said:
Yes, decide on philosophies and do not mix them. We need to decide what we are going to be, everyone needs to know what that is, and they need to be able to operate it all day long w out mistakes. Even with that said though I don't think the coaches have made this decision (Just my speculation based on the offense last year and comments from this year) which will have similar results this year if identity and strategy aren't specifically identified.
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If you're talking about the whole mixing philosophies between KF and GD thing then I completely agree with you. They need to decide what approach they are going to take and run with it.

However, I think some may be taking GD a little too seriously when he says he would like a QB who can make things happen when the play breaks down. He didn't say he needs a Vince Young. He doesn't need an elite athlete taking snaps. He just needs someone who can recognize a play breaking down and either buy themselves more time or tuck the ball and make the most out of it. That doesn't mean it takes an elite athlete to accomplish this though.

For example, Aaron Rodgers is outstanding at picking up first downs with his feet. Heck even Ben Roethlisberger has his own way of making last second moves in order to avoid the pass rush and get the ball off at the last second. I'm not saying we have QB's on the roster like Rodgers or Roethlisberger. What I am saying is that some should be careful taking GD's comments too literally. There are different ways of making things happen when plays break down. Just because Sokol might be a little more athletic than Rudock doesn't necessarily mean he's the best at making the right play when chaos ensues. They'll figure out who's the best at that over the next month or two.

The good news is all three guys gunning for the starting spot seem like they'll have a better knack for this than JVB did. James was a prototypical drop back passer, and he struggled mightily when plays broke down. It shouldn't take much to improve in that department.
 
deanvogs said:
Saying that 50% of plays don't go as planned does NOT = 50% of the plays the QB needs to scramble or extend the play. Just means the reads are different, or check downs happen, or any number of things.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner. This is understanding football. Reads are what matter. There are a lot of plays that don't go right but the QB has to adjust. That doesn't mean they have to scramble.

i almost want rudock to win the job just to see people ***** about how kf is intentionally playing an inferior QB. They play the guy they think is best. If they don't know who that is they will rotate until they figure it out. I don't care who wins the job but those that say it should be Sokol because he can scramble forget about all the other important aspects of QB play.
 
Foval21 said:
Ding ding ding we have a winner. This is understanding football. Reads are what matter. There are a lot of plays that don't go right but the QB has to adjust. That doesn't mean they have to scramble.

i almost want rudock to win the job just to see people ***** about how kf is intentionally playing an inferior QB. They play the guy they think is best. If they don't know who that is they will rotate until they figure it out. I don't care who wins the job but those that say it should be Sokol because he can scramble forget about all the other important aspects of QB play.
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I guess you know more about football than GD. Maybe you should put in an application. Oh and I call BS to you "don't care" who starts. Everytime I write something positive about Sokol you're there to **** and moan.

Here's the deal. If Rudock plays, Iowa wins and the offense doesn't look like dog crap, I won't be complaining. BUT if it looks like last year, which I think it might, I will be calling for Sokol. Fair enough?

BTW, who said Sokol is ONLY the best scrambler? I didn't. He's also the best leader among other things. His confidence is contagious.
 
hwk23 said:
Oh and I call BS to you "don't care" who starts. Everytime I write something positive about Sokol you're there to **** and moan.
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I know. There are about three guys on here who say they don't care who starts and then attack anybody who thinks Sokol should get the nod.

FreedComanche
 
hwk23 said:
I guess you know more about football than GD. Maybe you should put in an application. Oh and I call BS to you "don't care" who starts. Everytime I write something positive about Sokol you're there to **** and moan.

Here's the deal. If Rudock plays, Iowa wins and the offense doesn't look like dog crap, I won't be complaining. BUT if it looks like last year, which I think it might, I will be calling for Sokol. Fair enough?

BTW, who said Sokol is ONLY the best scrambler? I didn't. He's also the best leader among other things. His confidence is contagious.
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If true, this is great. This is a point you should emphasize. Now how do you know this to be true?
 
Foval21 said:
GD has had success with runners (ie young) and non runners (ie applewhite) it is all about utilizing the talent correctly.
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Applewhite loved to throw the ball downfield, often and he would often find secondary options, just like Sokol. It's difficult to find a 3 yard pass attempt or check-down by Applewhite. He averaged 7.8 ypa in his career at Texas with 57% completion rate. That wasn't from yards after catch either.
 
DP5555 said:
If true, this is great. This is a point you should emphasize. Now how do you know this to be true?
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Anybody whose watched him play knows he's a leader and a winner. He plays like nobody told him he can't beat tOSU or Alabama and I think he believes he can.

It's fun talking about leadership but sooner or later it comes down to talents that are specific to the football field. Braxton Miller and TMart might be leaders but foremost they have overwhelming talents on the football field. In other words, the average guy may be a leader and/or smart but he probably wouldn't be able to play football. It takes talent.
 
There's a lot of speculation about the QB's but it means nothing if Iowa doesn't find some good receivers. Handing off the ball is easy. What makes a good QB is the ability to make quick accurate decisions.

If you look at the most effective QB's, they have almost always had a great receiver. Montana/Rice. Aikman/Irvin
Last years team was plagued with ball drops. A couple of more receptions a game and Iowa would have had a different year.
 
hwk23 said:
I guess you know more about football than GD. Maybe you should put in an application. Oh and I call BS to you "don't care" who starts. Everytime I write something positive about Sokol you're there to **** and moan.

Here's the deal. If Rudock plays, Iowa wins and the offense doesn't look like dog crap, I won't be complaining. BUT if it looks like last year, which I think it might, I will be calling for Sokol. Fair enough?

BTW, who said Sokol is ONLY the best scrambler? I didn't. He's also the best leader among other things. His confidence is contagious.
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I have my reasons to believe rudock will win the job. I don't care if Sokol wins the job because I know that means the coaches think he gives the team the best chance. The problem is that your only argument for him over rudock is that he is better when things break down. That isn't necessarily true especially when they really have only had a few practices and no real game experience. We will find out when the bullets start flying but if you aren't a scrambler there are other ways to counteract when things breakdown. You seem to think it is all about scrambling. Everyone better tell Tom Brady and Peyton manning to get better at scrambling because that is what you have to do.
 
FreedComanche said:
I know. There are about three guys on here who say they don't care who starts and then attack anybody who thinks Sokol should get the nod.

FreedComanche
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Let me get this straight. If a person doesn't understand a "love fest" for a certain player who has yet to take a snap, they are "attacking" people? Sokol could be the next Tom Brady, i have no idea......but nobody really knows yet.

Contrast that with posters who do attack anything positive said about a certain coach.....that is who the attackers on this board are.
 
hwk23 said:
Anybody whose watched him play knows he's a leader and a winner. He plays like nobody told him he can't beat tOSU or Alabama and I think he believes he can.

It's fun talking about leadership but sooner or later it comes down to talents that are specific to the football field. Braxton Miller and TMart might be leaders but foremost they have overwhelming talents on the football field. In other words, the average guy may be a leader and/or smart but he probably wouldn't be able to play football. It takes talent.
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Besides the spring game and highlight tape where have you watched him play? I'm pretty confused right now. You act like you know more about him than anyone else would yet you fail to fill in the details. Is your sister dating him? Are you related to him? Do you just do his laundry?

Everyone looks excellent on their highlight tape. Dominating on a JUCO field isn't the same as actually going out there and trying to beat an OSU. Bottom line is the coaches will see these guys compete over the next month and likely the first couple games. They'll make an educated decision based on that, not on one spring game and a highlight tape. When you say "it takes talent" are you claiming Sokol is the only one who has it? At this point in the competition it is just really strange that you seem to have drawn conclusions already.

No one is bashing Sokol. If he ends up being Iowa's QB that's awesome. The only point anyone is trying to make is that it's really premature to be making claims like you are.
 
DP5555 said:
Besides the spring game and highlight tape where have you watched him play? I'm pretty confused right now. You act like you know more about him than anyone else would yet you fail to fill in the details. Is your sister dating him? Are you related to him? Do you just do his laundry?

Everyone looks excellent on their highlight tape. Dominating on a JUCO field isn't the same as actually going out there and trying to beat an OSU. Bottom line is the coaches will see these guys compete over the next month and likely the first couple games. They'll make an educated decision based on that, not on one spring game and a highlight tape. When you say "it takes talent" are you claiming Sokol is the only one who has it? At this point in the competition it is just really strange that you seem to have drawn conclusions already.

No one is bashing Sokol. If he ends up being Iowa's QB that's awesome. The only point anyone is trying to make is that it's really premature to be making claims like you are.
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I've watched you happily agree with poster after poster when they write about Rudock's leadership skills (based on little) and how he's supposedly the best decision maker (based on nothing) but NOW you want proof when it comes to Sokol???

Oh, and yes, in my opinion, Sokol is the most talented QB on the team. He has the abiltiy to make plays that I haven't seen an Iowa QB make in quite a while.
 
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Foval21 said:
I have my reasons to believe rudock will win the job. I don't care if Sokol wins the job because I know that means the coaches think he gives the team the best chance. The problem is that your only argument for him over rudock is that he is better when things break down. That isn't necessarily true especially when they really have only had a few practices and no real game experience. We will find out when the bullets start flying but if you aren't a scrambler there are other ways to counteract when things breakdown. You seem to think it is all about scrambling. Everyone better tell Tom Brady and Peyton manning to get better at scrambling because that is what you have to do.
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Do you honestly believe Tom Brady and Peyton Manning don't have the ability to extend plays, find wr's while avoiding the rush or make plays off schedule? "Scrambling" is your word not mine.
 
hwk23 said:
I guess you know more about football than GD. Maybe you should put in an application. Oh and I call BS to you "don't care" who starts. Everytime I write something positive about Sokol you're there to **** and moan.

Here's the deal. If Rudock plays, Iowa wins and the offense doesn't look like dog crap, I won't be complaining. BUT if it looks like last year, which I think it might, I will be calling for Sokol. Fair enough?

BTW, who said Sokol is ONLY the best scrambler? I didn't. He's also the best leader among other things. His confidence is contagious.
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curious how you've come to this conclusion? i'm not attacking you, just curious how you know this. unless i've been around all 3 on the practice field and other places, i'd find it hard for me to declare this. perhaps you have been and that's why i'm asking
 
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