Iowa QB Quality

[SpiderRico]

I think it's a falacy to claim that Rudock has the upper hand because he's been in the program longer. I could see that being the case if we'd still had KOK on board and there was consistency there, but it's not the case at all. The fact is that Rudock, Sokol and Beathard all have the same amount of time in this current system....one year. From what I understand, the terminology, the checks, etc are completely different under GD than they were under KOK. So I'm not sure what advantage Rudock has over the others in that regard.

 

[hwk23]

I think it's a falacy to claim that Rudock has the upper hand because he's been in the program longer. I could see that being the case if we'd still had KOK on board and there was consistency there, but it's not the case at all. The fact is that Rudock, Sokol and Beathard all have the same amount of time in this current system....one year. From what I understand, the terminology, the checks, etc are completely different under GD than they were under KOK. So I'm not sure what advantage Rudock has over the others in that regard.

The whole "in the system the longest" philosphy sounds like entitlement to me and that leads to low morale and not getting the best out of players. Lots of players are "in the system" for a long time but never play a down so it doesn't mean much.

It should go to the best player or they should just rotate if even. Players need to think if they're the best they'll play. That way they'll work to be better.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Seems Mr. Rudock is spending some time at a QB camp. Probably a better usage of his time than hunting bear.

https://twitter.com/mastrolepassing

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Well how about Rudock has been at a D1 school for a longer period of time. Yes the time under Daviss system is the same. But he's been able to go through the day in and day out schedule of being a D1 qb in regards to classes practice and how to budget his time. All of that factors to a degree. He may not have any more experience as far as actual snaps in games but he's been on the sideline for an entire year spent all of last year preparing himself to play as the #2 qb would all year long. Now I don't think that is the end all be all to guarantee a darn thing for him if he doesn't bring it in August. But for my two cents worth if it's a 3 way tie or even a 2 way tie down the stretch going into week 1 the tie will go to the kid with just that little more time in the program.

 

[Foval21]

Maybe the main thing that rudock has is what any guy has after three yrs in the program he should have a better rapport with the receivers and know where they will be on routes, etc better than the others.

i would guess that rudock and Sokol rotate series in at least the 1st two games. I think rudock will win the job but only time will tell.

 

[DP5555]

Seems Mr. Rudock is spending some time at a QB camp. Probably a better usage of his time than hunting bear.

https://twitter.com/mastrolepassing

Nice find MoseSchrute! I'll post a couple of the tweets regarding Rudock here just for the heck of it:

Ken Mastrole‏@MastrolePassing28 Jul
Any question on #Iowa QB Jake Rudock's arm strength you can put that to rest. He can hold court any day of the week. Proved it today

Ken Mastrole‏@MastrolePassing30 Jul
Finished a solid short workout with Hawkeyes QB Jake Rudock. Looking forward to seeing him compete. Very sound & mentally prepared for camp

J Hinton™‏@jhinton_29 Jul
@MastrolePassing - in your opinion, should Rudock be the Iowa starter this fall? And if so, what might be holding him back with the coaches?

Ken Mastrole‏@MastrolePassing30 Jul
@jhinton_ I believe he has done everything to put himself in that position. Has the tools & finds ways to elevate the players around him.

The bolded parts are great to hear. I think the majority of people, including myself, have realized Rudock has a jumpstart on the competition simply because of experience. Sounds like this QB coach is legit. Looks like EJ Manuel worked out with him as well. Either way it's good to hear that Jake is approaching the beginning of camp with the right mindset.

 

[HerkyDude]

In the interview posted Ferentz clearly states all three will practice against 1st team and 3rd team, they will be evaluated on several factors, one qb will win

 

[RADMAN]

Jake will be the man. He is the smartest of the three, in terms of football, he makes great decisions, he reads the D very well, and you will see, he can scramble if necessary. The decision to go to an outside camp should tell you how competitive this kid is. I will make a bet that at some point in season, someone will make the comparison to a certain QB called Brady.

 

[hwk23]

Jake will be the man. He is the smartest of the three, in terms of football, he makes great decisions, he reads the D very well, and you will see, he can scramble if necessary. The decision to go to an outside camp should tell you how competitive this kid is. I will make a bet that at some point in season, someone will make the comparison to a certain QB called Brady.

So far, I've only seen the GD system work with Sokol in the Spring game (at least at Iowa). GD has said he needs a QB that can extend the play and make plays off schedule. If the QB can do that, all the WRs will look better, because they'll have more time to seperate. Only Sokol has the abilty to improvise and avoid the rush while finding receivers downfield. He isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield which will force wr's to focus. He does remind me of Tom Brady in the pocket.

 

[RADMAN]

Good points on Sokol. I live in Scottsdale and am familiar with his game. He is a winner and has that ability to create. I won't be disappointed in whoever gets under center as long as it will make me forget last year.

 

[Foval21]

So far, I've only seen the GD system work with Sokol in the Spring game (at least at Iowa). GD has said he needs a QB that can extend the play and make plays off schedule. If the QB can do that, all the WRs will look better, because they'll have more time to seperate. Only Sokol has the abilty to improvise and avoid the rush while finding receivers downfield. He isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield which will force wr's to focus. He does remind me of Tom Brady in the pocket.

Wow how can we not win every game with Tom Brady with scrambling capabilities. If rudock or Sokol or any other QB makes the right pre snap read they won't need to make plays off schedule. It is great to have a guy who can but I would rather have an efficient QB that makes smart reads. The stuff I have seen on Sokol makes me worried as he tries to force balls he shouldn't. If he can fix that then it would go a long way to help him. Rudock seems to know his limitations and that is very important. He can then anticipate what his best option is. GD has had success with runners (ie young) and non runners (ie applewhite) it is all about utilizing the talent correctly. Which is the thing GD didn't do well last year. Maybe he lost his edge or touch but he has done it with multiple style qbs so I expect them to go with the guy that seems to lead the best and move the ball the best no matter what their scrambling capabilities.

 

[deanvogs]

So far, I've only seen the GD system work with Sokol in the Spring game (at least at Iowa). GD has said he needs a QB that can extend the play and make plays off schedule. If the QB can do that, all the WRs will look better, because they'll have more time to seperate. Only Sokol has the abilty to improvise and avoid the rush while finding receivers downfield. He isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield which will force wr's to focus. He does remind me of Tom Brady in the pocket.

This is something you have said multiple times. I think you might be clutching at 2 things a little too tightly. Sokol wasn't that much better in the spring game (if at all), and it was only 1 practice in essence, we have no idea who has looked better in the other 15 spring practices. The other is GD saying a QB that can extend the plays is important. He didn't say that was the only thing he looks for, and the better scramble will be my QB, he just said it is a trait he likes in his QB's. JR isn't a statue back there, he can move effectively as well.

 

[DP5555]

So far, I've only seen the GD system work with Sokol in the Spring game (at least at Iowa). GD has said he needs a QB that can extend the play and make plays off schedule. If the QB can do that, all the WRs will look better, because they'll have more time to seperate. Only Sokol has the abilty to improvise and avoid the rush while finding receivers downfield. He isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield which will force wr's to focus. He does remind me of Tom Brady in the pocket.

As Dean said, you continue to make this claim as if it was obvious Sokol is the best QB and the only evidence you're using is one single spring scrimmage. A scrimmage where Rudock went 18/29 for 174 and Sokol went 13/18 for 183. Yes, Sokol had the slightly better spring game in terms of numbers, but what we don't know is what percentage of his plays were played against the #1 defense? Regardless, it was one single practice. You're coming to conclusions based upon a single practice and that just isn't very wise.

It seems to me like you're fighting for Sokol, and at this point I'm not sure why. I could care less who earns the starting spot, but I trust the coaches will give the nod to the guy who is the most consistent performer throughout all practices. Whether that is Sokol, Rudock, or Beathard I don't care. I'm just waiting for Rudock to get the nod, and then I'm sure we'll have a handful of guys like you claiming Ferentz isn't playing the best guy. In which case you will have no actual facts to base that assumption on.

 

[hwk23]

Wow how can we not win every game with Tom Brady with scrambling capabilities. If rudock or Sokol or any other QB makes the right pre snap read they won't need to make plays off schedule. It is great to have a guy who can but I would rather have an efficient QB that makes smart reads. The stuff I have seen on Sokol makes me worried as he tries to force balls he shouldn't. If he can fix that then it would go a long way to help him. Rudock seems to know his limitations and that is very important. He can then anticipate what his best option is. GD has had success with runners (ie young) and non runners (ie applewhite) it is all about utilizing the talent correctly. Which is the thing GD didn't do well last year. Maybe he lost his edge or touch but he has done it with multiple style qbs so I expect them to go with the guy that seems to lead the best and move the ball the best no matter what their scrambling capabilities.

According to GD, you're wrong, he's quoted as saying around 50% of plays don't go as planned. Judging from last year, I think that's a conservative estimate.

 

[deanvogs]

According to GD, you're wrong, he's quoted as saying around 50% of plays don't go as planned. Judging from last year, I think that's a conservative estimate.

Saying that 50% of plays don't go as planned does NOT = 50% of the plays the QB needs to scramble or extend the play. Just means the reads are different, or check downs happen, or any number of things.

 

[hwk23]

As Dean said, you continue to make this claim as if it was obvious Sokol is the best QB and the only evidence you're using is one single spring scrimmage. A scrimmage where Rudock went 18/29 for 174 and Sokol went 13/18 for 183. Yes, Sokol had the slightly better spring game in terms of numbers, but what we don't know is what percentage of his plays were played against the #1 defense? Regardless, it was one single practice. You're coming to conclusions based upon a single practice and that just isn't very wise.

It seems to me like you're fighting for Sokol, and at this point I'm not sure why. I could care less who earns the starting spot, but I trust the coaches will give the nod to the guy who is the most consistent performer throughout all practices. Whether that is Sokol, Rudock, or Beathard I don't care. I'm just waiting for Rudock to get the nod, and then I'm sure we'll have a handful of guys like you claiming Ferentz isn't playing the best guy. In which case you will have no actual facts to base that assumption on.

I'm not basing my opinion just on stats. Read what I've written previously. Regardless those stats are not "slightly better". Rudock had 6.0 ypa while Sokol had 10.2 ypa. JVB had 5.8 ypa last year (and that was 110th in the nation) so Rudock's stats were very simialr to JVB last year. The better question is why is Rudock the presumptive starter on this board when KF has made it very clear there will be no decisions until halfway through camp.

 

[hwk23]

Saying that 50% of plays don't go as planned does NOT = 50% of the plays the QB needs to scramble or extend the play. Just means the reads are different, or check downs happen, or any number of things.

Maybe you should go listen to the GD interview 4/27/2013 before commenting. GD said (paraphrased), "50% of the plays don't go as planned. That's why the ability to extend the play and make plays off schedule is huge."

 

[deanvogs]

Maybe you should go listen to the GD interview 4/27/2013 before commenting. GD said (paraphrased), "50% of the plays don't go as planned. That's why the ability to extend the play and make plays off schedule is huge."

Dude, I get it, you have made up your mind that Sokol should be the starter, because in one interview GD said what you quoted. Plus you saw him put up super awesome stats in a spring game. The funny part of the whole thing, is you are going to go ape **** if Sokol isn't named the starter.....I on the other hand don't care if it is Jake or Sokol, as seeing one practice, and hearing one interview gives a fan about 1% insight into the QB battle.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

According to GD, you're wrong, he's quoted as saying around 50% of plays don't go as planned. Judging from last year, I think that's a conservative estimate.

And absolutely what I do not like about derp Davis and his system. How the hell can we have an identity, a scheme, a system if we just say we're going to improvise every play. Wow.

 

[hwk23]

Dude, I get it, you have made up your mind that Sokol should be the starter, because in one interview GD said what you quoted. Plus you saw him put up super awesome stats in a spring game. The funny part of the whole thing, is you are going to go ape **** if Sokol isn't named the starter.....I on the other hand don't care if it is Jake or Sokol, as seeing one practice, and hearing one interview gives a fan about 1% insight into the QB battle.

You sure seem to write a helluva lot for someone who "doesn't care".