Iowa Press Release on Brandon Hutton Being Granted Release

Picking out a team that wasn't even going to get an at large big and saying they are better coached.
 
PCHawk said:
UNI's center that didn't have offers from North Carolina was going up against a bunch of centers who didn't have any power 5 offers. It's all relative. Don't cherry pick the 2 good teams they beat and overlook at the terrible teams they lost to. I really hope you're just trying to mess around with everyone.
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I'm not cherry picking. You made a big deal out of UNI playing in a mid-major conference. I understand the differences between the 2 conferences. I also understand the difference in talent that a mid-major can attract, compared to a coach at Iowa. There is a big difference in the starting point of the 2.
Just like Bo Ryan beating last year's Kentucky team in the Final Four. The talent disparity between the 2 programs was night and day. Is John Calipari as good a coach as Bo Ryan? There's not an intelligent soul on the planet that would say that, outside of Lexington.
Ben Jacobsen gets more out of his talent than most Power 5 coaches. That's why he gets job offers every year. Let me know when a UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, Oklahoma, or even PITT comes calling on Fran.
When that happens, I'll admit I'm wrong.
 
PCHawk said:
Picking out a team that wasn't even going to get an at large big and saying they are better coached.
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Ben Jacobsen is a better coach and I have no problem admitting that. And I'll do one better. I'll bet you Ben Jacobsen ends up coaching at a better program than Iowa, in the next 10 years. I'd bet it would be sooner but he has kids, so he might choose to stay for that reason.
Care to place a wager?
 
lightning1 said:
I'm not cherry picking. You made a big deal out of UNI playing in a mid-major conference. I understand the differences between the 2 conferences. I also understand the difference in talent that a mid-major can attract, compared to a coach at Iowa. There is a big difference in the starting point of the 2.
Just like Bo Ryan beating last year's Kentucky team in the Final Four. The talent disparity between the 2 programs was night and day. Is John Calipari as good a coach as Bo Ryan? There's not an intelligent soul on the planet that would say that, outside of Lexington.
Ben Jacobsen gets more out of his talent than most Power 5 coaches. That's why he gets job offers every year. Let me know when a UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, Oklahoma, or even PITT comes calling on Fran.
When that happens, I'll admit I'm wrong.
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They both finished about the same in their respective conferences with their respective talent. How does that make one better than the other? Jacobsen is a good coach so he more than likely will end up at a big school. Probably comparable to iowa. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. Depends on what's open at the time. How he does at that school will say a lot. I highly doubt that school will be as bad off as Iowa was when he takes over so please spare me the comparing first years and second years when it happens.
 
lightning1 said:
I'm not cherry picking. You made a big deal out of UNI playing in a mid-major conference. I understand the differences between the 2 conferences. I also understand the difference in talent that a mid-major can attract, compared to a coach at Iowa. There is a big difference in the starting point of the 2.
Just like Bo Ryan beating last year's Kentucky team in the Final Four. The talent disparity between the 2 programs was night and day. Is John Calipari as good a coach as Bo Ryan? There's not an intelligent soul on the planet that would say that, outside of Lexington.
Ben Jacobsen gets more out of his talent than most Power 5 coaches. That's why he gets job offers every year. Let me know when a UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, Oklahoma, or even PITT comes calling on Fran.
When that happens, I'll admit I'm wrong.
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And are you saying Ryan us a better coach than Calipari based on the outcome of one game? I've always thought you were a pretty good poster with pretty good arguements, even when we didn't agree. I'm really questioning myself for thinking that.
 
I know Hutton was touted as the lock down defender but we've seen other guys touted as shooters that haven't come to fruition.

I think some are assuming he was going to meet that expectation but maybe he wasn't as good on D as projected and Fran had a discussion with him and let him know there wouldn't be much opportunity for playing time.

Maybe??
 
ibahawkeye said:
I know Hutton was touted as the lock down defender but we've seen other guys touted as shooters that haven't come to fruition.

I think some are assuming he was going to meet that expectation but maybe he wasn't as good on D as projected and Fran had a discussion with him and let him know there wouldn't be much opportunity for playing time.

Maybe??
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No. That's not why. I know why.
 
lightning1 said:
No. That's not why. I know why.
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Pretty sure lightning1 is just a northern iowa troll, so shut it saying "we" every sentence.
You made mention last page that Williams showed nothing on defense for you? He was inconsistent, but his Indiana game really showed flashes of what he can do well and had an outstanding clutch steal towards end of game, giving hawks a chance to tie it.

Ben Jacobson is a great coach at a much younger age than Fran, but at this given moment theres no way of saying he's lightyears ahead of Fran. He coached rather poorly during MVC conference play, losing to many teams that they had no business playing a close game with. Its a lot harder to get your team in the tournament in acc/bigten/big east if you can't perform consistently in conference play. He's dang impressive in march, but theres no way of knowing he'll succeed if he moves on to a power 5 school... look at McDermott. I do think he has a good chance but it's all hypothetical. It's only fair to compare the two coaches if they matched with similar type of schedules and facilities.
 
smhawk said:
Pretty sure lightning1 is just a northern iowa troll, so shut it saying "we" every sentence.
You made mention last page that Williams showed nothing on defense for you? He was inconsistent, but his Indiana game really showed flashes of what he can do well and had an outstanding clutch steal towards end of game, giving hawks a chance to tie it.

Ben Jacobson is a great coach at a much younger age than Fran, but at this given moment theres no way of saying he's lightyears ahead of Fran. He coached rather poorly during MVC conference play, losing to many teams that they had no business playing a close game with. Its a lot harder to get your team in the tournament in acc/bigten/big east if you can't perform consistently in conference play. He's dang impressive in march, but theres no way of knowing he'll succeed if he moves on to a power 5 school... look at McDermott. I do think he has a good chance but it's all hypothetical. It's only fair to compare the two coaches if they matched with similar type of schedules and facilities.
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Lightning isn't a troll, he just seems really upset about things, and has said a number of stupid things. To pretend that UNI had as good or better year than Iowa is just silly. UNI was #72 in the RPI with the #92 SOS so there was NO CHANCE of them making the NCAA tournament if they didn't win the MVC tournament. Iowa was #28 in the RPI with the #32 SOS, Iowa had a much better year as they played much better competition than UNI did.
 
WindsorHawk said:
This isn't directed at you PC...just a comment. People need to remember Gesell was hurt most of his career. He was having a good year for a true freshman and then got hurt at Nebraska...missing the next 4 games. He then played hurt (on 1 good foot) in the NIT.

I believe he broke his hand during PTL play between his freshman and sophomore years. That shut him down and/or limited him the entire off season and appeared to affect his shot as a sophomore.

His junior year he injured his elbow and couldn't shoot from beyond 17 feet.

This year he was healthy all year...as far as I know. But the injuries throughout his career stunted his growth as an offensive player IMO.
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I would add that Mike Gesell's development wasn't necessarily the problem, but the development of "scheme" was as much the culprit. We completely lacked imagination in crunch situations. MG seemed to be the "default setting", with no other "if/then" statements written into program code...
 
I think Hutton was probably too offensively-challenged and Fran realizes he can't win with only a couple of guys on his team who can shoot and come close to creating their own shot.
 
lightning1 said:
Ben Jacobsen is a better coach and I have no problem admitting that. And I'll do one better. I'll bet you Ben Jacobsen ends up coaching at a better program than Iowa, in the next 10 years. I'd bet it would be sooner but he has kids, so he might choose to stay for that reason.
Care to place a wager?
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Ben Jacobson is such a great coach he let his team collapse in the biggest choke job in ncaa tournament history.

I like uni a lot. I like ben Jacobson a lot. But these arguments are stupid.
 
smhawk said:
Pretty sure lightning1 is just a northern iowa troll, so shut it saying "we" every sentence.
You made mention last page that Williams showed nothing on defense for you? He was inconsistent, but his Indiana game really showed flashes of what he can do well and had an outstanding clutch steal towards end of game, giving hawks a chance to tie it.

Ben Jacobson is a great coach at a much younger age than Fran, but at this given moment theres no way of saying he's lightyears ahead of Fran. He coached rather poorly during MVC conference play, losing to many teams that they had no business playing a close game with. Its a lot harder to get your team in the tournament in acc/bigten/big east if you can't perform consistently in conference play. He's dang impressive in march, but theres no way of knowing he'll succeed if he moves on to a power 5 school... look at McDermott. I do think he has a good chance but it's all hypothetical. It's only fair to compare the two coaches if they matched with similar type of schedules and facilities.
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I went back and looked at Fran's record as a mid-major coach. In 14 seasons, he never won 31 games.
I'm not going to dignify the "Northern Iowa troll" with a response. It's the argument of a loser who knows that he can't argue facts.
Williams will struggle defending the 1 and 2. We are going to struggle defending the perimeter next season. Nothing you can say will change my mind about that. We got killed on the perimeter, over the last 10 games, THIS year.
 
deanvogs said:
Lightning isn't a troll, he just seems really upset about things, and has said a number of stupid things. To pretend that UNI had as good or better year than Iowa is just silly. UNI was #72 in the RPI with the #92 SOS so there was NO CHANCE of them making the NCAA tournament if they didn't win the MVC tournament. Iowa was #28 in the RPI with the #32 SOS, Iowa had a much better year as they played much better competition than UNI did.
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I'll say one thing. Both Iowa and UNI lost in the Round of 32 of the NCAA tournament. You can argue a lot but you can't argue that. I'll take UNI's season all day long over ours. They got better as the season went on and won their tourament to get into the NCAAs. Then they lost in the same round we did.
We were riding high and utterly collapsed as the season went on. Lost in the round of 32.
I don't care to argue semantics about UNI's season. That was started by someone else, again. I said Ben Jacobsen is a better coach than Fran and I stand by that statement.
In 14 seasons as a mid-major coach, Fran has a .58 winning %. Include his time at Iowa and it doesn't change.
In 10 seasons as a mid-major coach, Ben has a .65 winning %.
Fran had the benefit of coaching his 14 seasons on the East coast, where the number of quality basketball recruits goes up x10, over what Ben has to choose from in Iowa. In short, Ben has a much smaller pool to recruit from and in spite of that, he has a better win % and a Sweet 16 appearance. Something that Fran can't say about his resume.
We can argue this all day but you'll STILL lose. All of the numbers seem to support Ben > Fran.
 
mopkins said:
Ben Jacobson is such a great coach he let his team collapse in the biggest choke job in ncaa tournament history.

I like uni a lot. I like ben Jacobson a lot. But these arguments are stupid.
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UNI choked 1 game. We choked 1/3 of our season!!! I'd rather have 1 game to think about, rather than 10. But that's just me.
 
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