Iowa Press Release on Brandon Hutton Being Granted Release

lightning1 said:
I'll say one thing. Both Iowa and UNI lost in the Round of 32 of the NCAA tournament. You can argue a lot but you can't argue that. I'll take UNI's season all day long over ours. They got better as the season went on and won their tourament to get into the NCAAs. Then they lost in the same round we did.
We were riding high and utterly collapsed as the season went on. Lost in the round of 32.
I don't care to argue semantics about UNI's season. That was started by someone else, again. I said Ben Jacobsen is a better coach than Fran and I stand by that statement.
In 14 seasons as a mid-major coach, Fran has a .58 winning %. Include his time at Iowa and it doesn't change.
In 10 seasons as a mid-major coach, Ben has a .65 winning %.
Fran had the benefit of coaching his 14 seasons on the East coast, where the number of quality basketball recruits goes up x10, over what Ben has to choose from in Iowa. In short, Ben has a much smaller pool to recruit from and in spite of that, he has a better win % and a Sweet 16 appearance. Something that Fran can't say about his resume.
We can argue this all day but you'll STILL lose. All of the numbers seem to support Ben > Fran.
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Where did I comment on Ben vs Fran? I said UNI's season wasn't as good as Iowa, and it wasn't. You can argue that all day long, but you'll STILL lose. Having the #72 RPI with the #92 SOS isn't even in the same ballpark as the #28 RPI and #32 SOS. All of the numbers support that Iowa had a better season in a real conference than UNI did in a weak conference.

Combine that with the complete an utter meltdown, epic loss and it only doubles down on the fact you are miserably wrong on this. Ben chocked big time on a big stage for all to see, it was cringe worthy to say the least. How are you up by 12 and have no TO left? He failed that team miserably.
 
deanvogs said:
Where did I comment on Ben vs Fran? I said UNI's season wasn't as good as Iowa, and it wasn't. You can argue that all day long, but you'll STILL lose. Having the #72 RPI with the #92 SOS isn't even in the same ballpark as the #28 RPI and #32 SOS. All of the numbers support that Iowa had a better season in a real conference than UNI did in a weak conference.

Combine that with the complete an utter meltdown, epic loss and it only doubles down on the fact you are miserably wrong on this. Ben chocked big time on a big stage for all to see, it was cringe worthy to say the least. How are you up by 12 and have no TO left? He failed that team miserably.
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Which utter meltdown are we talking about? Ours or UNI's? Both are hard to swallow but I'd still rather choke 1 game than 1/3 of a season....for the second time in 3 seasons! All of the stats you provide only shows how epic our meltdown was! But. as I said. I never wanted to compare the seasons anyway. The issue started between Fran and Ben. It got side tracked and you stepped in after.
 
SteveGarvey said:
I think Hutton was probably too offensively-challenged and Fran realizes he can't win with only a couple of guys on his team who can shoot and come close to creating their own shot.
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That's my problem with Fran, at present. He only has a couple of guys that can create on offense. He has ZERO guys that can defend. If his solution is to add more guys that can create on offense but still don't defend, that's no solution. That won't win a BIG title. Ever!
 
lightning1 said:
If some posters weren't insufferable azzes, I might have shared the information. At least I admitted I was wrong about why I thought Hutton transferred and wished him well.
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Take that info to the grave. People may never find out why Hutton, a Frosh who didn't play, left the program.
 
lightning1 said:
Which utter meltdown are we talking about? Ours or UNI's? Both are hard to swallow but I'd still rather choke 1 game than 1/3 of a season....for the second time in 3 seasons! All of the stats you provide only shows how epic our meltdown was! But. as I said. I never wanted to compare the seasons anyway. The issue started between Fran and Ben. It got side tracked and you stepped in after.
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After beating ISU, UNI lost 8 of 11 to some of the following teams: S. Ill., Missouri St., Loyola, and Ill. St. They lost 5 games to sub 150 RPI teams, Iowa lost 0 games to sub 150 RPI teams.

So since 11 games is 1/3 of a season, yeah UNI choked away their season not only against Texas A&M, but also during the year. Heck they choked so much harder than Iowa, that it knocked them out of the NCAA at large field.

Look, I get you are bitter and stuff, and I know you are saying this "got sidetracked"....but making stupid claims, and then trying to double down on said stupid claims is well, just stupid, and is why it went sideways. Just take the bitter pill and admit the obvious, pretty simple really.
 
When Fran was at mid majors, he was building crappy programs. Jacobsen took over a pretty good program and kept it pretty good. That explains the difference in winning percentage.
 
deanvogs said:
After beating ISU, UNI lost 8 of 11 to some of the following teams: S. Ill., Missouri St., Loyola, and Ill. St. They lost 5 games to sub 150 RPI teams, Iowa lost 0 games to sub 150 RPI teams.

So since 11 games is 1/3 of a season, yeah UNI choked away their season not only against Texas A&M, but also during the year. Heck they choked so much harder than Iowa, that it knocked them out of the NCAA at large field.

Look, I get you are bitter and stuff, and I know you are saying this "got sidetracked"....but making stupid claims, and then trying to double down on said stupid claims is well, just stupid, and is why it went sideways. Just take the bitter pill and admit the obvious, pretty simple really.
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Why is it stupid? I'd rather have UNI's season than Iowa's. 10 times out of 10. But ******** away a BIG title and a #1 seed is something that I find unacceptable and nothing you or anyone else says can make me feel good about it. The fact that you can somehow find the fresh flower in this **** show, while you call me stupid, just proves what an unimaginable loser you are. A person who could not possibly have ever played sports on any respectable level.
Did I triple down on that for you? Quadruple down? It's no wonder our AD has no desire to win anything. With the fans we have, he doesn't need to. You might even get a little participation trophy with your next season ticket order. You can put that on the mantle because we already know that you don't own a trophy case.
 
PCHawk said:
When Fran was at mid majors, he was building crappy programs. Jacobsen took over a pretty good program and kept it pretty good. That explains the difference in winning percentage.
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Never make excuses. Your friends don't need them and your enemies won't believe them - Wooden.
 
Id rather have texas a&m seasons then unis... Gez what does it matter so much...
And ben may go on to prove he's better coach... But what is the point of arguing? Fran isnt going anywhere, hed probably have to have two terrible seasons to feel the hot seat.
 
lightning1 said:
Why is it stupid? I'd rather have UNI's season than Iowa's. 10 times out of 10. But ******** away a BIG title and a #1 seed is something that I find unacceptable and nothing you or anyone else says can make me feel good about it. The fact that you can somehow find the fresh flower in this **** show, while you call me stupid, just proves what an unimaginable loser you are. A person who could not possibly have ever played sports on any respectable level.
Did I triple down on that for you? Quadruple down? It's no wonder our AD has no desire to win anything. With the fans we have, he doesn't need to. You might even get a little participation trophy with your next season ticket order. You can put that on the mantle because we already know that you don't own a trophy case.
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So you would rather be a team that never had a chance at all win it's conference? To basically be out of the race after the first 1/2 of conference play? That just doesn't compute to me, and just sound so, so bitter.

The team finish tied for 3rd place for the second consecutive year (something Iowa hasn't done since the late 80's). Iowa has made 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments (something that hasn't been done since the early 90's). You act like this was an awful year since we didn't win the B1G (something that hasn't been done since Lute). Why even be a fan at this point? If you expect a team to do something that hasn't been done in what 35 years you might at well be Don Quixote out tilting at wind mills.
 
deanvogs said:
So you would rather be a team that never had a chance at all win it's conference? To basically be out of the race after the first 1/2 of conference play? That just doesn't compute to me, and just sound so, so bitter.

The team finish tied for 3rd place for the second consecutive year (something Iowa hasn't done since the late 80's). Iowa has made 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments (something that hasn't been done since the early 90's). You act like this was an awful year since we didn't win the B1G (something that hasn't been done since Lute). Why even be a fan at this point? If you expect a team to do something that hasn't been done in what 35 years you might at well be Don Quixote out tilting at wind mills.
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That UNI team got better as the season went on. They had their bumps in the road but fought through it. I know they choked in the A&M game and that's a brutal way to finish a season. We had to sit and watch a team full of 3 and 4 yr starters **** down their legs, while Fran sat and proved that he had no answer for that. He just watched it happen, game after game after game.
So....YES. I'd rather have a season where my coach figured out how to right the ship and get us to the tourney. At least he showed that he could coach a team to play better basketball down the stretch. 1 game not withstanding.
 
Hawk4Fan said:
Yeah in a wussy conference with wussy teams and yet they still has ZERO chance of making the NCAA till they got lucky at the end of the year....but keep making idiot statements like that one.
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I'm sorry.....is math too difficult for you? 23 > 22, by 1 more game. Maybe next week we can discuss Hawkeye Nation math. Where addition by subtraction is a good thing.
 
deanvogs said:
After beating ISU, UNI lost 8 of 11 to some of the following teams: S. Ill., Missouri St., Loyola, and Ill. St. They lost 5 games to sub 150 RPI teams, Iowa lost 0 games to sub 150 RPI teams.

So since 11 games is 1/3 of a season, yeah UNI choked away their season not only against Texas A&M, but also during the year. Heck they choked so much harder than Iowa, that it knocked them out of the NCAA at large field.

Look, I get you are bitter and stuff, and I know you are saying this "got sidetracked"....but making stupid claims, and then trying to double down on said stupid claims is well, just stupid, and is why it went sideways. Just take the bitter pill and admit the obvious, pretty simple really.
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UNI and Iowa are apples and oranges. UNI should have never achieved what they did with such a limited bench which ultimately led to their "embarrassment". Still it is over achieving which is a good thing.

A big question is whether or not Iowa overachieved or underachieved. There is the argument that they finished about where they should have (which I agree with), but at the same time the end was a collapse and that cannot be hidden. Something like that begs for analysis.
 
lightning1 said:
I'm sorry.....is math too difficult for you? 23 > 22, by 1 more game. Maybe next week we can discuss Hawkeye Nation math. Where addition by subtraction is a good thing.
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The problem with your math is that you consider beating teams like Bradley, Missouri State, Evansville, Drake, ect to be equal to beating teams like Michigan State, Purdue, Michigan, ect.

Great season for UNI, don't get me wrong but I'll take Iowa's season's results over UNI's even with the struggles down the stretch. UNI had an ugly stretch as well, but it happened mid season instead of at the end but instead of losing to teams like Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan they were losing to teams like Loyola (twice), Indiana State, and Southern Illinois.
 
lightning1 said:
That UNI team got better as the season went on. They had their bumps in the road but fought through it. I know they choked in the A&M game and that's a brutal way to finish a season. We had to sit and watch a team full of 3 and 4 yr starters **** down their legs, while Fran sat and proved that he had no answer for that. He just watched it happen, game after game after game.
So....YES. I'd rather have a season where my coach figured out how to right the ship and get us to the tourney. At least he showed that he could coach a team to play better basketball down the stretch. 1 game not withstanding.
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How did UNI get better as the season went in? They were locks for the NCAA after they beat UNC and ISU early in he year. They then lost 8 of 11. Just because they beat some sub 150 RPI teams doesn't mean they got better, you should ALWAYS beat those teams, not lose 5 games to them like UNI did. After the ISU win, UNI beat one top 50 RPI team, that isn't improving, that is playing in a weak conference is all.
 
Iowa improved a bunch over the season their first 2 years. I would rather have last year's season that those 2 years.
 
lightning1 said:
I'm sorry.....is math too difficult for you? 23 > 22, by 1 more game. Maybe next week we can discuss Hawkeye Nation math. Where addition by subtraction is a good thing.
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You can't be dumb enough to go by that...how about real truth about who plays a harder schedule?

UNI #72 RPI with the #92 SOS isn't even in the same ballpark as the Hawks #28 RPI and #32 SOS.
 
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