First time with a top 5 ranking in March since either the 50s or never. Can't remember.
Iowa Extends Contract of Fran McCaffery
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TimmyOnMelrose
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This is where Fran started...I had season tickets as a student but could almost sit courtside. I watched Evan turner laugh as he was being maned up with Little Lick. This clip was of the game at OSU but it does the job.
Give the man his $$
Give the man his $$
hawkdrummer1
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No, that's not what I said or "what I'm saying".
InGoodCo
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What am I assuming? There isn’t a lot to chew on there. Iowa was going to extend him regardless. They couldnt just let it ride, that’s not how it works with recruiting. They are in a better position now then almost every scenario our future could hold. If he bows out early, the extension is still on, probably in the amount of dollars and years the school is comfortable with now. Fran’s doing them a solid. If they wait, and suddenly Fran is in the Elite 8 and other jobs are open like, Notre Dame or maybe Pitt and things are different. Maybe Connor does do baseball, Fran goes to ND and takes Pat with him. Not an unheard of scenario. Fran has moved on a lot and I mean a lot. He’s not tied here. I think he likes it here, I think he’d like it other places too. If your Iowa, why not show him you’re happy he’s here. You like winning and playing basketball in the NCAA tournament all the time. I’m happy with what Fran has done at Iowa and that is create a fun and winning program that isn’t necessarily a lock to be that without him.
InGoodCo
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It’s what I’ve been saying since the start. Iowa won, they were giving it to him anyways. Now, ya don’t worry about other schools, and ya don’t worry about him jacking it up when he’s a hot name with other schools, who without a doubt would look at Fran if he went on a run.
Taking away Garza's points and replacing them with less points from the replacement player is not how that math works. You have to compare the amount of shots Garza took and how efficiently he scored his points on those shots with the same number of shots by random players if he isn't shooting, someone else will be) and the efficiency they scored on those shots.
The difference in those numbers would be less than you would think. A guy that scores as efficiently as Garza is great for margin of error, but a good portion of his scoring will be replaced. Just a little less efficently. We are easily a tournament team without Garza this year. Or at least would have been projected as easily in before Nunge went down.
But truthfully, now that I think about it, you don't just take national player of the year Garza off your team because Fran didn't get lucky signing him, he got lucky with how good he got. So what you do is replace national player of the year Garza with just your ordinary run of the mill 1st or 2nd team all conference Garza. No one would think Fran was lucky and we would probably have one or two more losses since most of our wins were blowouts anyway.
InGoodCo
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No, you are
Then what the heck are you saying? Are you saying don't extend him at all if we lose early?
BigD
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I sure hope we make a good run in the tournament. It would be a major disappointment if we fall flat on our face and don’t get past the second round. No conference championship, not even a semi final round in BTT, and then to get beat in the second round would be unbearable. Get to elite eight and now your talking accomplishment.
If we lose opening round I will be disappointed just like I am when someone hits a 2 outer on the river. If we lose 2nd round I will be disappointed just like I am when someone hits their flush draw against my set. But in both cases I will know we got a little unlucky after making the right play. The right play being building a resume for a 2 seed over the course of an entire season. All you can do is make the right play as often as possible. Once all the chips are in ( the tournament starts) its pretty much luck from there. The main thing is its a lot harder to get unlucky against a 15 seed than it is a 7 or 10 seed. But it can still happen.
How often do 2 seeds lose second round? We will definitely have a big advantage, but I don't think losing in that position qualifies as "falling flat on your face". Think about it, 5th-8th ranked teams lose to 25th-30th ranked teams all the time.
BigD
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Gotta admit that was a very fair assessment.
Fryowa
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Nope. Doesn’t work that way. You’re saying with a lot of words that essentially his 24 pts a game would be replaced by other players. If that were the case we’d be in this #5-ish spot every year (assuming the same lineup minus Garza).
You talk about “math” not working, then let’s see you take Garza’s WS and WS/40 and make the “math” work out to the same Iowa wins...
It doesn’t, FYI. I’ll save you the trouble.
Even if you want to use the “efficiency” metric you’re talking about, replace Garza with someone else’s effective FG percentage and see if Iowa still scores enough to win the same number of ballgames. It’s pretty simple...you can’t replace his win shares unless you have someone as skillled coming up the pike...and we both know there’s no Garza waiting in the wings.
You completely underestimate the impact Luka has on this team and that’s not hyperbole. Even with Murray taking up some of the scoring slack, you’re going to get a rude awakening next year when that piece is missing.
BigD
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All time leading scorer in school history, all time leading assist leader in school history, all time leading three point shots made in school history, Two starters that many experts project to go to NBA, the team represents a conference deemed by almost all experts as the best in the country and one of the strongest top to bottom with NINE teams in the NCAA tournament.
Yes, flat on your face if you lose in the second round.
InGoodCo
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It would be flat on our face to not make the 2nd round, ya still gotta up Fran’s deal dumb dumbs, ya can’t fire him, he’s too good. Ya can’t leave him out to dry, he will find a different spot and the school and program will suffer because of it. Fran holds the cards, he’s doing Iowa solid getting it out of the way now. I bet his agent wouldn’t have mind if they waited
BigD
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This is exactly what I have been saying. With out Garza we might be looking at being in a play in game. Maybe sneaking in as the seventh seed out of the conference.
Garza is that important. Better enjoy every game and every win as you likely will not see another Garza in an Iowa uniform the rest of your lives. Been following Iowa basketball for over fifty years, I know what I am talking about.
HaydenHawk56
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Do you really think Fran would leave now if they did not do this extension at this time before the start of the tourney?
Knight78
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Yes, Frank coached up his son so he would be the best player he could be. What about the other players? I'm not saying Luka isn't a great Hawkeye, but I am saying that he couldn't be the player he is without his teammates. I've seen teams that had a fantastic individual player that never fed him the ball because they KNEW they would never see it again - those "black hole" players who score a gazillion points but don't do anything else. Luka isn't that kind of player, and it's due to Fran and the other players he has recruited to fit around Luka. JoeW, JBo and CJ are a huge part of why Luka produces the way he does and Luka is a huge part of how productive they can be.
InGoodCo
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Fran will have another 1st team all conference player next season at worst the next but we won’t see a guy like Luka for a long while. Fran does have some history there, sometimes he’s been able to get 2 at the same time. I expect that trend to continue. Iowa hoops is healthy.
InGoodCo
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No, of course not. What? lol
