Iowa Basketball Recruits

tksirius said:
The problem is that Basic Possession formulas (there are multiple) are essentially guesswork. This formula (which is the most common one used) isn't nearly as drastic as the one you posted:

FGA + (0.475 x FTA) - ORB + TO = 70.36 possessions per game for Locure's team & 53.59 possessions for Carton's team.

To this scale, Carton's stats would be: 31.7pts, 8.25 rbds, 1.7 steals, 3.93 assists, 4.32 turnovers

Compare that to Locure's stats of: 28.8pts, 5.3 rbds, 4 steals, 5.93 assists, 3.86 turnovers

Remember, we're talking about point guards here, not forwards lol
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Thanks, I just used the first one I found on a google search. Notable that Carton's TOs are higher. With Locure having higher assists, steals, and lower TOs, I definitely can see the basis of your "better PG right now" argument.
 
CP87 said:
As an add on, talking about per-possession stats is generally not considered a "load of crap", and the idea of doing so is not "[my] little calculation." I am not the one who first said, "Hey, maybe games with 100 possessions will result in more counting stats than games with 80 possessions."

You are not swayed at all by the fact that Carton scores and rebounds significantly more on a per-possession basis? Locure definitely assists and steals more on a per possession basis.
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We're talking about point guards. Do you really want a point guard that averages more turnovers than assists?
 
CP87 said:
Thanks, I just used the first one I found on a google search. Notable that Carton's TOs are higher. With Locure having higher assists, steals, and lower TOs, I definitely can see the basis of your "better PG right now" argument.
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Thank you :) That's my point.
 
tksirius said:
We're talking about point guards. Do you really want a point guard that averages more turnovers than assists?
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Good point. Perhaps this is where scouts are looking at growth potential? Having watched them both play, do their teams ask them to do similar things? Or does Carton play off the ball quite a bit?
 
CP87 said:
Good point. Perhaps this is where scouts are looking at growth potential? Having watched them both play, do their teams ask them to do similar things? Or does Carton play off the ball quite a bit?
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Not that I've seen. A couple of things I've noticed with him is that he takes it to the rim quite a bit and is pretty good at it, however, he isn't that good of a passer (at least compared to Locure). He's not too bad man on man D, but he's simply not as quick as Locure.

As far as Locure, because he is the show, he draws defenders quite a bit and is able to gain more assists due to that. He's also very quick in passing lanes, which is one reason why his steals are so high.

Edit: I'm not saying Carton isn't the show on his team. Both of their respective teams are centered around them.
 
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I wonder what they view as their top priorities in '19? I wanted to double-check the number of open-scholarships they had that year (2, as of now), which led me to a list of their open offers. It appears they have 4 offers out for PGs, 3 for SGs (they include verbal commit Patrick McCaffrey as a SG), 4 for SF, 7 for PF, and 1 for C.

Seems like they should be leaning a little more heavily towards backcourt.
 
Again, with Carton, Iowa isn't even on the horizon of predictions of where he will go. Its like 90% Wisconsin and a small % think Marquette has a chance. Waiting too long on Locure is a big gamble as better offers are sure to come and we will once again be out in the cold sucking our thumb.
 
Catching up on this thread I was about to tell cp87 not to bother asking tk questions becasue he will just get a meme as a response. Then I keep reading and tk actually typed up a thoughtful post. Im proud of you tk!
 
PCHawk said:
Catching up on this thread I was about to tell cp87 not to bother asking tk questions becasue he will just get a meme as a response. Then I keep reading and tk actually typed up a thoughtful post. Im proud of you tk!
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I did watch the Muscatine / Bettendorf game last year. Joe had no trouble doing whatever he wanted to do and Carton did guard him, well initially anyway... before Joe went around him and had to have at least one other guy pick him up. Bettendorf went with a zone at one point to keep Joe from driving.... mistake. Joe's problem is that no one else on the Muscatine team would start for another team in the conference.
 
Looks like Locure might have been 2 rbds short of a triple double tonight vs Ottumwa. Apparently he had 31pts, 14 assists, 8 boards, 4 steals, 1 block. Not too shabby
 
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Updates In Blue*

2019 PG DJ Carton; (Bettendorf) 4A (Record: 8-7)
Scored 33pts, 8 rbds, 3 steals, 4 assists
His team won 60-47 vs Burlington on Jan 26th
Next game is @ North Scott, Eldridge on Jan 30th
Avg: 25pts, 6.5 rbds, 1.4 steals, .36 blocks, 3.09 assists, 3.18 turnovers
Avg: FG 48.9%, 3PT 34.2%, FT 75.8%

2020 PF Xavier Foster; (Oskaloosa) 3A (Record: 15-1)
Scored 2pts, 5 rbds, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 3 assists (reportedly had been under the weather)
His team won 68-37 vs Dallas Center-Grimes on Jan 26th
Next game is vs Newton on Jan 30th
Avg: 14.3pts, 8.4 rbds, 1.12 steals, 3.93 blocks, 1.68 assists, 1.81 turnovers
Avg: FG 58.7%, 3PT 40%, FT 59.3%

2018 SG CJ Fredrick(Iowa); (Park Hills, KY) 5A (out of 6 classes) (Record: 18-4)
Scored 26pts, 3 rbds; Can't find a source with more stats. If you know of one, please post it.
His team won 80-42 @ Holmes on Jan 26th
Next game is vs Highlands on Jan 29th
Avg: 21.31pts, 3.09 rbds
Avg: FG 53.6%, 3PT 47.2%, FT 80.4%

2018 PG AJ Green(UNI); (Cedar Falls) 4A (Record: 11-3)
Scored 26pts, 9 rbds, 2 assists
His team won 63-45 @ Linn Mar, Marion on Jan 23rd
Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/v/292qre
Next game is vs Xavier, Cedar Rapids on Jan 30th
Avg: 26.4pts, 5.6 rbds, 1.78 steals, .35 blocks, 3.07 assists, 1.92 turnovers
Avg: FG 51%, 3PT 48.9%, FT 93.8%

2019 PG Tyreke Locure; (Des Moines, North) 4A (Record: 14-2)
Scored 31pts, 8 rbds, 1 block, 4 steals, 14 assists
His team won 105-76 @ Ottumwa on Jan 26th
Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/v/294zhv
Next game is @ Mason City on Jan 30th
Avg: 28.9pts, 5.5 rbds, 4 steals, .18 blocks, 6.43 assists, 3.75 turnovers
Avg: FG 46.8%, 3PT 34.5%, FT 77.5%

2019 SF Patrick McCaffery(Iowa); (Iowa City) 4A (Record: 12-2)
Scored 15pts, 5 rbds, 1 block, 2 assists
His team lost 46-66 vs Bishop Miege, KS @ Quincy, IL on Jan 27th
Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/v/295rBD
Next game is vs Cedar Rapids, Kennedy on Jan 30th
Avg: 20.3pts, 6 rbds, 1.64 steals, .85 blocks, 2.35 assists, 1.35 turnovers
Avg: FG 51.3%, 3PT 26.2%, FT 77.8%

2020 PG Jalen Suggs; (Minnehaha Academy, MN) 2A (out of 4 classes) (Record: 14-3)
Scored 36pts;
His team won 73-68 @ Stevens Point on Jan 27th
Next game is vs Breck on Jan 30th
Avg: -
Avg: FG -, 3PT -, FT -

2019 PG Tyrell Terry; (De La Salle, MN) 3A (out of 4 classes) (Record: 12-3)
Scored 14pts;
His team lost 70-76 @ Eden Prairie on Jan 26th
Next game is @ St. Croix Lutheran on Feb 1st
Avg: -pts
Avg: FG -, 3PT -, FT -

2018 SF Joe Wieskamp(Iowa); (Muscatine) 4A (Record: 10-6)
Scored 25pts, 20 rbds, 1 block, 2 steals, 3 assists on Jan 26th
Scored 34pts, 10 rbds, 2 blocks, 1 steal on Jan 27th
His team won 48-47 in OT vs Davenport, North on Jan 26th
His team won 50-46 vs Clark County, MO on Jan 27th
Next game is vs Davenport, Central on Jan 30th
Avg: 32.9pts, 14.5 rbds, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks, 1.2 assists, 2.06 turnovers
Avg: FG 56.1%, 3PT 34%, FT 81.3%
 
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Man, it's too bad AJ Green's dad wasn't on Iowa's staff. :(

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2019 PG DJ Carton; (Bettendorf) 4A (Record: 8-8)
Scored 21pts, 4 rbds, 1 steal, 2 assists
His team lost 38-40 @ North Scott, Eldridge on Jan 30th
Next game is @ Muscatine on Feb 2nd
Avg: 25pts, 6.5 rbds, 1.4 steals, .36 blocks, 3.09 assists, 3.18 turnovers
Avg: FG 48.9%, 3PT 34.2%, FT 75.8%

2020 PF Xavier Foster; (Oskaloosa) 3A (Record: 16-1)
Scored 2pts, 7 rbds, 3 blocks
His team won 57-56 vs Newton on Jan 30th
Next game is @ Norwalk on Feb 2nd
Avg: 13.5pts, 8.3 rbds, 1.05 steals, 3.88 blocks, 1.58 assists, 1.88 turnovers
Avg: FG 57.5%, 3PT 40%, FT 59.3%

2018 SG CJ Fredrick(Iowa); (Park Hills, KY) 5A (out of 6 classes) (Record: 20-4)
Scored 30pts, 3 rbds on Jan 29th; Can't find a source with more stats. If you know of one, please post it.
Scored 32pts, 6 rbds on Jan 30th;
His team won 71-25 vs Highlands on Jan 29th
His team won 70-51 @ Scott on Jan 30th
Next game is vs Beechwood on Feb 2nd
Avg: 22.12pts, 3.2 rbds
Avg: FG 55.1%, 3PT 46.8%, FT 81.9%

2018 PG AJ Green(UNI); (Cedar Falls) 4A (Record: 12-3)
Scored 35pts, 5 rbds, 3 Steals, 2 Assists
His team won 64-58 vs Xavier, Cedar Rapids on Jan 30th
Highlights: Waiting on highlights
Next game is @ Waterloo, West on Feb 2nd
Avg: 27pts, 5.6 rbds, 1.86 steals, .33 blocks, 3 assists, 1.86 turnovers
Avg: FG 51.8%, 3PT 49.7%, FT 93.4%

2019 PG Tyreke Locure; (Des Moines, North) 4A (Record: 15-2)
Scored 23pts, 8 rbds, 3 steals, 8 assists; Fouled out in game.
His team won 74-64 @ Mason City on Jan 30th
Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/v/297dSz
Next game is vs Des Moines, Roosevelt on Feb 2nd
Avg: 28.6pts, 5.6 rbds, 3.94 steals, .17 blocks, 6.52 assists, 3.76 turnovers
Avg: FG 46.8%, 3PT 34.8%, FT 77.2%

2019 SF Patrick McCaffery(Iowa); (Iowa City) 4A (Record: 13-2)
Scored 32pts, 7 rbds, 2 assists
His team won 72-35 vs Cedar Rapids, Kennedy on Jan 30th
Highlights: Waiting on highlights
Next game is vs Dubuque, Senior on Feb 3rd
Avg: 21.1pts, 6.1 rbds, 1.53 steals, .8 blocks, 2.4 assists, 1.33 turnovers
Avg: FG 53.6%, 3PT 27.3%, FT 76.9%

2020 PG Jalen Suggs; (Minnehaha Academy, MN) 2A (out of 4 classes) (Record: 15-3)
Scored 4pts;
His team won 77-70 vs Breck on Jan 30th
Next game is @ Blake on Feb 2nd
Avg: -
Avg: FG -, 3PT -, FT -

2019 PG Tyrell Terry; (De La Salle, MN) 3A (out of 4 classes) (Record: 12-3)
Scored 14pts;
His team lost 70-76 @ Eden Prairie on Jan 26th
Next game is @ St. Croix Lutheran on Feb 1st
Avg: -pts
Avg: FG -, 3PT -, FT -

2018 SF Joe Wieskamp(Iowa); (Muscatine) 4A (Record: 11-6)
Scored 43pts, 12 rbds, 2 block, 1 steals, 6 assists
His team won 67-60 vs Davenport, Central on Jan 30th
Next game is vs Bettendorf on Feb 2nd
Avg: 33.6pts, 14.4 rbds, 1.37 steals, 1.25 blocks, 1.5 assists, 2.37 turnovers
Avg: FG 55.5%, 3PT 33%, FT 83.2%
 
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A few things surprise me from all these updates. First big take away for me is Carton's team record. If you have that big of a recruit, especially a point guard you should be winning games. Second, Xavier Foster's team seems to keep winning even if he doesn't show up. This can be important as you make a run for the State Tourney. Third, for most of these players, there isn't much consistency on scoring. Seems like Wieskamp and Locure are the most consistent of the bunch, along with Green.

Green is the only player I have seen in person and he is going to be a good one. Really impressed me when I saw him.
 
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