Iowa Athletics COVID-19 Discussion

Why not wear a mask in public?
This is laughable. The Germ hasn't disappeared anywhere other than places with relatively small populations that are isolated. There is nothing "the country" could have done to protect college football. Absolutely nothing. The Olympics are a comparable sporting event to NCAAF (and even those have fewer participants). They were supposed to start last Friday night. Would that have been wise, even had they excluded "reckless" countries like the US? No, because The Germ is still in Japan. Yet somehow, if Orange Man had been more draconian in the early stages, we are to believe The Germ would be gone here and we'd be starting football. Yeah right.

The government has far less power to contain these sorts of things than you people seem to think. There is one way and one way only to have contact sports and that is an impenetrable quarantine of all participants for an extended period. That is it. Not Orange Man telling people to wear masks and not Orange Man ordering everyone to stay home. If colleges wanted to have a football season, they needed to quarantine the kids starting about June 1. Each one in their own totally sealed off room for 2 weeks. Test. Release into the team with another quarantine bubble around the team that no one could leave or enter. It would have cost millions of dollars. That is what the leagues that have successfully restarted sports have done, like Euro soccer and baseball in Asia and we have known that model for months. I am personally of the opinion that you can't lock down college kids like that for months on end without compensation and find it farcical that the assclowns who run these schools can, with a straight face, pretend that their half measures can preserve their precious cash cows.
Agree. Diving into the pool to escape the hornets won’t make the hornets go away. They will simply attack you again as soon as you come up for air.

Don’t even bother trying to explain logic to Caddy. He spent two weeks telling us that we had little chance of competing with USC’s speed, athleticism, 4/5 star recruits, then tried to change the goalposts about five seconds after we whipped their ass, saying they were having a down year and getting their QB knocked out hurt them. Well duh, it did. But quarterbacks getting knocked out are part of the game. Imagine if the backup QB had come in and went Eric Ball on us.,
 
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Why not wear a mask in public?
Mask wearing is strict as hell in Colorado and we weren’t even in one of the bigger cities. We were in the Durango area and if you weren’t eating or sleeping you had a mask on. Inside, outside, getting gas, riding the famous narrow gauge railroad, going off roaring in ATV vehicles in the mountains, it was mask or nothing.

We got back in time to go to the Dubuque farmers market on Saturday. Mask usage was about 50/50 which is actually a huge increase.
 
Mask wearing is strict as hell in Colorado and we weren’t even in one of the bigger cities. We were in the Durango area and if you weren’t eating or sleeping you had a mask on. Inside, outside, getting gas, riding the famous narrow gauge railroad, going off roaring in ATV vehicles in the mountains, it was mask or nothing.

We got back in time to go to the Dubuque farmers market on Saturday. Mask usage was about 50/50 which is actually a huge increase.


I think, in general, Colorado has done a pretty good job. Most people here seem to be semi-reasonable about trying to open up the economy while wearing masks. Our governor has been pretty consistent and has followed public health recommendations of experts. I live in Denver and work in a hospital every day.

We do have a lot of people who travel here who come from states with poor leadership, poor control of the virus, and we may suffer because of it and have to go back to a lockdown mode.

I realize our national leaders don't have complete control over this but they have been very poor examples, and have hurt our recovery. (FREE MICHIGAN!).

It makes me sad and a little angry because we could have this under better control right now (and be able to watch college football), but, you know, don't tread on me and all of my beliefs crap.
 
I think, in general, Colorado has done a pretty good job. Most people here seem to be semi-reasonable about trying to open up the economy while wearing masks. Our governor has been pretty consistent and has followed public health recommendations of experts. I live in Denver and work in a hospital every day.

We do have a lot of people who travel here who come from states with poor leadership, poor control of the virus, and we may suffer because of it and have to go back to a lockdown mode.

I realize our national leaders don't have complete control over this but they have been very poor examples, and have hurt our recovery. (FREE MICHIGAN!).

It makes me sad and a little angry because we could have this under better control right now (and be able to watch college football), but, you know, don't tread on me and all of my beliefs crap.
Lori Lighthead the illustrious mayor of Chicago keep so adding To the list of states where visitors coming into Chicago have to quarantine for fourteen days and Wisconsin and Iowa are on the list. She is blaming Iowa for an outbreak in Quincy Illinois (our closest county to Quincy is Lee which has less than 100 cases since this whole thing started) But don’t try to convince Lightweight as she I seriously more concerned about a Mississippi River town 250 miles away than doing something about crime in her own city.

The White Sox play in Iowa in a little over two weeks. Does this mean that both the team and their enterage will need to quarantine for two weeks before they are allowed back in Chicago..? Iowa’s rolling averages have been trending favorable for over a week.
 
This is laughable. The Germ hasn't disappeared anywhere other than places with relatively small populations that are isolated. There is nothing "the country" could have done to protect college football. Absolutely nothing. The Olympics are a comparable sporting event to NCAAF (and even those have fewer participants). They were supposed to start last Friday night. Would that have been wise, even had they excluded "reckless" countries like the US? No, because The Germ is still in Japan. Yet somehow, if Orange Man had been more draconian in the early stages, we are to believe The Germ would be gone here and we'd be starting football. Yeah right.

The government has far less power to contain these sorts of things than you people seem to think. There is one way and one way only to have contact sports and that is an impenetrable quarantine of all participants for an extended period. That is it. Not Orange Man telling people to wear masks and not Orange Man ordering everyone to stay home. If colleges wanted to have a football season, they needed to quarantine the kids starting about June 1. Each one in their own totally sealed off room for 2 weeks. Test. Release into the team with another quarantine bubble around the team that no one could leave or enter. It would have cost millions of dollars. That is what the leagues that have successfully restarted sports have done, like Euro soccer and baseball in Asia and we have known that model for months. I am personally of the opinion that you can't lock down college kids like that for months on end without compensation and find it farcical that the assclowns who run these schools can, with a straight face, pretend that their half measures can preserve their precious cash cows.

To say "the country" which is all of us and our leaders could do nothing to drive down infections to really low levels is not a true thing to say. The old saying is never say never or always.

We actually see proof in NY, NJ, and CT as three early states who did a lot of lock down, testing, tracing, isolating and drove their daily new case numbers to very low levels. I heard that a few days or so ago NY City did not have a new case. So there is a way to do this so that cases are very low in a city like Iowa City and we would hope around the Univ. But too many people want their freedom to not wear a mask, etc and too many people think things can never be done like sending humans to the moon and safely back. Oh wait that has been done.
 
To say "the country" which is all of us and our leaders could do nothing to drive down infections to really low levels is not a true thing to say. The old saying is never say never or always.

We actually see proof in NY, NJ, and CT as three early states who did a lot of lock down, testing, tracing, isolating and drove their daily new case numbers to very low levels. I heard that a few days or so ago NY City did not have a new case. So there is a way to do this so that cases are very low in a city like Iowa City and we would hope around the Univ. But too many people want their freedom to not wear a mask, etc and too many people think things can never be done like sending humans to the moon and safely back. Oh wait that has been done.

The standard is not driving "down infections to really low levels" as a condition precedent to play college football. Even if you have "really low levels" The Germ is still around. And if The Germ is still around and our society's risk tolerance is basically "if it saves one life" there ain't gonna be football no matter what the country did or didn't do 4 or 5 months ago. Just at the FBS level, you have 130-ish teams with 100 guys on a team, so 13,000 players. Those players log a lot of miles traveling to games. So barring a seismic shift in risk profile or the absence of The Germ, a season simply isn't feasible. Of course, you have ADs making a million bucks a year and coaches making multiples of that, so those guys will play the ostrich role and have a totally different risk profile than society at large because their salaries depend on it. To conduct a contact sport, the burden is not on "our country" in the least, it is on the organizations that want to host the contact sport. It can be done, but the steps taken must be absolutely draconian, and those draconian steps are necessary irregardless of whether The Germ is at "really low levels" or at some higher level. Colleges can't or won't take those steps so that's pretty much the end of the story.
 
Why not wear a mask in public?
Folks don't like being told what to do if it even remotely inconviences them. You interject politics into it and then it's not even about the practicality of whatever it is they are asking you to do. It's a product of our politically charged environment as much as anything.

I wonder if the death rate was significantly higher at what point EVERYONE would wear masks and be more careful. We obviously haven't reached that point yet but I think that's what it'd take to get more folks on board with it.
 
Folks don't like being told what to do if it even remotely inconviences them. You interject politics into it and then it's not even about the practicality of whatever it is they are asking you to do. It's a product of our politically charged environment as much as anything.

I wonder if the death rate was significantly higher at what point EVERYONE would wear masks and be more careful. We obviously haven't reached that point yet but I think that's what it'd take to get more folks on board with it.

I think you're spot on. And there's a lot of conflicting information out there.

What a country!

 
I think you're spot on. And there's a lot of conflicting information out there.

What a country!


It's because people are really fucking stupid, Rob, and, Americans, on average, haven't been subject to actual discipline in decades so they think there are no consequences for anything. There's just no other explanation. You can watch countless examples everyday. You'll get some fat dumbass throwing a tantrum at Costco and see his social media where he calls The Germ a hoax and then an obituary. Or you'll see some dipshit hippie wannabe revolutionary throw an incendiary device at the police who are trying to clear a burned out street and then he puts on surprised Pikachu face when he gets arrested. Americans on average literally have no concept, zero, zilch, nada, of adverse consequences as a result of shitty decision making. "Wah, I didn't save any money for retirement, give me money." "Wah, I bloated myself up to 400 pounds and now high value men won't date me so Sports Illustrated needs to put me in a magazine to try to normalize my lack of self control." "Wah, I borrowed $200,000 for a doctorate in art history and now I can't repay my loans so the government needs to just forgive the loans." "Wah, I lent a bunch of money to broke ass proles who can't pay their mortgages so I need a bailout to the tune of $10 billion." It is all over the place.

And then if you add any element of coercion on top of something, holy balls are you asking for trouble. "You must wear a mask." "OR WHAT? I DON'T HAVE TO. THE RULES DON'T APPLY TO ME." Then you have guys like Pence or Trump on one hand, or Cuomo or that fat F who looks like Penguin, on the other hand, not wearing masks and basically saying "rules for thee, but not me, peasant" and it makes that shit even worse.

Mass media and lack of discipline in our schools has really fucked up our society. Look, man, I'm an unabashed Trump supporter and I was telling people about masks back in March. I don't need some edict from the government telling me to wear a mask if I go into the store during a fucking respiratory pandemic. Here's my post on it from March 19:

"People are always going to complain about the government when there is a crisis, like this pandemic. But Western society simply isn't ready for something like this. I have a shitload of masks at home. 99.9 anti viral things. My old lady buys them in Japan. How many American houses have masks? Way under 1%. Of course the media says "masks don't help." Yeah right. You look at the infection rates in Korea and Japan versus rest of the world. That ain't from testing, it's because those people have lived through SARS and other pandemics and the populace is loaded up on masks. A mask keeps the viral load close to the infected person and keeps people from touching their nose and mouth."

This shit is common sense if you have a room temperature IQ. America is in a really bad spot, bruh. Really bad.
 
It's because people are really fucking stupid, Rob, and, Americans, on average, haven't been subject to actual discipline in decades so they think there are no consequences for anything. There's just no other explanation. You can watch countless examples everyday. You'll get some fat dumbass throwing a tantrum at Costco and see his social media where he calls The Germ a hoax and then an obituary. Or you'll see some dipshit hippie wannabe revolutionary throw an incendiary device at the police who are trying to clear a burned out street and then he puts on surprised Pikachu face when he gets arrested. Americans on average literally have no concept, zero, zilch, nada, of adverse consequences as a result of shitty decision making. "Wah, I didn't save any money for retirement, give me money." "Wah, I bloated myself up to 400 pounds and now high value men won't date me so Sports Illustrated needs to put me in a magazine to try to normalize my lack of self control." "Wah, I borrowed $200,000 for a doctorate in art history and now I can't repay my loans so the government needs to just forgive the loans." "Wah, I lent a bunch of money to broke ass proles who can't pay their mortgages so I need a bailout to the tune of $10 billion." It is all over the place.

And then if you add any element of coercion on top of something, holy balls are you asking for trouble. "You must wear a mask." "OR WHAT? I DON'T HAVE TO. THE RULES DON'T APPLY TO ME." Then you have guys like Pence or Trump on one hand, or Cuomo or that fat F who looks like Penguin, on the other hand, not wearing masks and basically saying "rules for thee, but not me, peasant" and it makes that shit even worse.

Mass media and lack of discipline in our schools has really fucked up our society. Look, man, I'm an unabashed Trump supporter and I was telling people about masks back in March. I don't need some edict from the government telling me to wear a mask if I go into the store during a fucking respiratory pandemic. Here's my post on it from March 19:

"People are always going to complain about the government when there is a crisis, like this pandemic. But Western society simply isn't ready for something like this. I have a shitload of masks at home. 99.9 anti viral things. My old lady buys them in Japan. How many American houses have masks? Way under 1%. Of course the media says "masks don't help." Yeah right. You look at the infection rates in Korea and Japan versus rest of the world. That ain't from testing, it's because those people have lived through SARS and other pandemics and the populace is loaded up on masks. A mask keeps the viral load close to the infected person and keeps people from touching their nose and mouth."

This shit is common sense if you have a room temperature IQ. America is in a really bad spot, bruh. Really bad.
Nice, are some of mine from February 26th, you were part of that conversation too! Glad the supply chains haven't been affected terribly other than PPE, TP and beef for awhile. Who would've thought of cans and coins? (PS I did get some extra TP that day ;)) Interesting to look back and see how much things have changed since.

I'm not the paranoid type, but I've realized that I'm not prepared at all for an epidemic. I'm going to the store after work and buying a couple hundred dollars of canned food, no reason not to have it at this point and even if nothing happens, the fam can always eat it later. I'd rather do it now than after grocery store supplies start to dwindle and they jack up prices. I followed MERS, SARS and ebola - and this is already spreading worse and has less containment than any of those did. Anyone else doing any preparation? I'm sure a lot of you older folks have a ton of supply built up already.

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I realize that flu is more deadly and more rampant that CoV-2, but I have some concern of the stress that an outbreak, however unlikely it may be, would place on our healthcare system. China is incredibly committed to stopping this and making a massive investment. Are we willing to do the same, in a country that puts profits above lives? I fear that looking at numbers in China might give us a false sense of security. As I said above, I have more concern of supply chains than getting sick, however.
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Yes, this is more what I'm worried about, not necessarily getting sick, although my kids are young, my parents are old, and my grandparents are very old. More about supplies running out and grocery stores being picked clean, similar to that of a hurricane. There are warnings out there that it's possible that schools may close as well as businesses, though that might be a long shot. I work at a bank and am interested to know how that would work for us.

I have well more than a week or two of food currently, but it's more stuff that I've had for a long time that wasn't good enough to eat yet and just got pushed to the back of the cupboard. I should probably pick up a giant jug or two to fill with water just in case I need em.

Thanks for the input, I feel it's better to be safe than sorry
 
Thats quite a rant and you sure like commas.

What school siscilpin do you want? Drug use and teen sex is down from previous generation. Drink teen driving is down. Crime until recently is down.

My small Iowa school was a shit show on discipline. So much better now.

Mass media...not sure where you are going with that. Media used to investigate but you are mad Rob actually quit cheerleading.

Your rant seems pretty much in line with what you are complaining about.
 
It's because people are really fucking stupid, Rob, and, Americans, on average, haven't been subject to actual discipline in decades so they think there are no consequences for anything. There's just no other explanation. You can watch countless examples everyday. You'll get some fat dumbass throwing a tantrum at Costco and see his social media where he calls The Germ a hoax and then an obituary. Or you'll see some dipshit hippie wannabe revolutionary throw an incendiary device at the police who are trying to clear a burned out street and then he puts on surprised Pikachu face when he gets arrested. Americans on average literally have no concept, zero, zilch, nada, of adverse consequences as a result of shitty decision making. "Wah, I didn't save any money for retirement, give me money." "Wah, I bloated myself up to 400 pounds and now high value men won't date me so Sports Illustrated needs to put me in a magazine to try to normalize my lack of self control." "Wah, I borrowed $200,000 for a doctorate in art history and now I can't repay my loans so the government needs to just forgive the loans." "Wah, I lent a bunch of money to broke ass proles who can't pay their mortgages so I need a bailout to the tune of $10 billion." It is all over the place.

And then if you add any element of coercion on top of something, holy balls are you asking for trouble. "You must wear a mask." "OR WHAT? I DON'T HAVE TO. THE RULES DON'T APPLY TO ME." Then you have guys like Pence or Trump on one hand, or Cuomo or that fat F who looks like Penguin, on the other hand, not wearing masks and basically saying "rules for thee, but not me, peasant" and it makes that shit even worse.

Mass media and lack of discipline in our schools has really fucked up our society. Look, man, I'm an unabashed Trump supporter and I was telling people about masks back in March. I don't need some edict from the government telling me to wear a mask if I go into the store during a fucking respiratory pandemic. Here's my post on it from March 19:

"People are always going to complain about the government when there is a crisis, like this pandemic. But Western society simply isn't ready for something like this. I have a shitload of masks at home. 99.9 anti viral things. My old lady buys them in Japan. How many American houses have masks? Way under 1%. Of course the media says "masks don't help." Yeah right. You look at the infection rates in Korea and Japan versus rest of the world. That ain't from testing, it's because those people have lived through SARS and other pandemics and the populace is loaded up on masks. A mask keeps the viral load close to the infected person and keeps people from touching their nose and mouth."

This shit is common sense if you have a room temperature IQ. America is in a really bad spot, bruh. Really bad.
The root of the problem is getting people to wear masks en masse.

But whether you're for it, against it, or indifferent to it, the conversation is totally moot. 100%, completely academic wasting of breath and keystrokes.

Hate masks and mask mandates, and don't think they do anything but violate "mah cahnstitooshunul rahts?" Don't worry. A wide-scale mandate is never gonna happen. There are over 100M people in this country who refuse to wear masks. That includes judges, lawmakers, and law enforcers. It. Will. Not. Happen.

Do you think masks are the answer to slow this thing down and that we should put in place a national mandate complete with harsh punishments for those who refuse to wear them? Go ahead. Try and get a law and punishment for breaking it put in place. You going to fine every one of them? Throw them all in jail? Take their babies and birthdays away? 150,000,000 people? Good luck. Let me know how that turns out.

This country is going to be the first large scale science experiment of what happens to a society on a macroeconomic and macrosocial level when a pandemic tears through it. No one's gonna change that. Not even a little.

There is only one thing you can do for the next 8-10 months until The Shot is ready and that's to look out for yourself. Sure, you can go on social media and bark about how no-maskers are assholes killing people, and write articles, and assemble socially-distanced protests down at City Hall, but it ain't fuckin' happening, Jack. All you're doing is making yourself more vulnerable.

Control what you can control. The US is too big to enforce anything (yes, anything) on a large scale. You simply cannot do it. You might feel like you did the noble thing by speaking out and railing against anti-maskers on twitter and on your blog, but you're screaming in a forest where there's no one to hear that tree fall. Doing the noble thing when you know you'll have no effect is stupidity in reality. Total waste of time second only to prayer on the effectiveness scale.

Again, control what you can control...no one individual can control whether there's sports this year, or whether businesses fail because of lockdowns, or whether people do or don't wear masks, because NO ONE AGREES AND THEY NEVER WILL. Give it the F up, people. You want to be 100% sure that you don't get the virus or give it to anyone else? Stay home. Otherwise, take whatever personal amount of risk you're willing to take while at the same time limiting your proximity to other people for their own safety. I should make one thing clear...I don't say "stay home or take whatever risk is acceptable to you" because I'm anti-mask. Quite the contrary. I think if every living soul in the US masked up for 8 short weeks we'd be done with this.

I say that because no matter how much the pro-mask side says "YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK!" statistically 50% or more of the total populace (including those people with the power to enforce a mandate) will refuse, and there's no way you can punish that many people and, hence, enforce a mandate. So wear a mask, limit travel, and all the other shit to limit transmission. But for F's sake quit whining about it on Twitter and podcasts and instagram and Fartbook. Masks aren't happening in the States ever, so give the spiel a rest and look out for yourself until The Shot gets here.
 
My small Iowa school was a shit show on discipline. So much better now.

Mass media...not sure where you are going with that. Media used to investigate but you are mad Rob actually quit cheerleading.

Yes, your small town Iowa school is a perfect barometer for America. Absolutely perfect. In reality in places that aren't a stop sign on a map dot, schools can't dole out things like in school suspensions anymore. My old district paid $300k to some consultant to study "the achievement gap" and that was their recommendation. No suspensions. My mom's friend is a high school teacher and she was hospitalized after getting beaten by a student. The school told her she would be fired if she pressed charges and the union told her "good luck, we ain't got your back." The honor student who assaulted her didn't even get suspended. School systems are just there to push kids through. Good to know your district in shitsville stopped doling out corporal punishment, though.

You must have me confused with someone else, I started a thread defending Rob against numerous baseless accusations lobbed at him. Mass media covers a bunch of shit, not just the news media.
 
Thats quite a rant and you sure like commas.
Boy oh boy. You're throwing huge stones in a glass house giving anyone shit about his or her grammar, Skeezix.
That's quite a rant, and you sure like commas.
It's pretty ironic that you missed both an apostrophe and a comma in a sentence chastising someone about his comma usage.

What school siscilpin do you want?
What the F is a "siscilpin?"

Drug use and teen sex is down from previous generation.

You either need to read up on definite/indefinite articles (add a "the" in there), or make the word "generation" plural. The way you typed that makes it "sound like telegram from 1800s STOP Need make complete sentence STOP"

Drink teen driving is down.
What the hell is a "Drink teen?"

Crime until recently is down.
Nope. That's a fail. The phrase "until recently" requires past tense verb agreement and "is down" is present tense. Here are some possible alternatives that make sense:

Crime, until recently, has been down. Commas are required in this one to prevent subject ambiguity.

Crime has been down until recently.

Bottom line, don't shit your pants and give someone a hard time about farting.

Dumbass.
 
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LOL. Can you imagine being the coach for a program like Rutgers? "Look guys, I know you're not getting paid, none of you have a shot at the NFL, we're probably going to go 0-10 unless by some miracle we can beat Maryland, but I'm gonna need you to not go to any parties or chase any ass until the end of November. Can you do that for me? Thanks."
 
LOL. Can you imagine being the coach for a program like Rutgers? "Look guys, I know you're not getting paid, none of you have a shot at the NFL, we're probably going to go 0-10 unless by some miracle we can beat Maryland, but I'm gonna need you to not go to any parties or chase any ass until the end of November. Can you do that for me? Thanks."
Every single one one of 'em knows there won't be football this year.
 
Yes, your small town Iowa school is a perfect barometer for America. Absolutely perfect. In reality in places that aren't a stop sign on a map dot, schools can't dole out things like in school suspensions anymore. My old district paid $300k to some consultant to study "the achievement gap" and that was their recommendation. No suspensions. My mom's friend is a high school teacher and she was hospitalized after getting beaten by a student. The school told her she would be fired if she pressed charges and the union told her "good luck, we ain't got your back." The honor student who assaulted her didn't even get suspended. School systems are just there to push kids through. Good to know your district in shitsville stopped doling out corporal punishment, though.

You must have me confused with someone else, I started a thread defending Rob against numerous baseless accusations lobbed at him. Mass media covers a bunch of shit, not just the news media.

I taught a semester of high school and then 3 years of middle school back in the early to mid-80's. No one told us or I didnt hear when studying in college in Education that schools go with social promotion and there are no real negative consequences to not learning.

If students hardly tried and they failed then still got sent to the next grade. We as a society do not know what to do with them, they know it and their parents know it and accept it and dont do anything to get little jill or johnny to get better and smarter.

We have a lot of dumb ass lazy parents who perpetuate the cycle by allowing their kids to be dumbasses.
 

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