Interesting Yet Disturbing Post from OSU Board

DexterMorgan said:
Yes, Athletic Directors are necessary.
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For scheduling? Fundraising? I bet I could find a secretary and stripper who could do both of those (respectively) better than an AD. In these economic times, give me sports for kids over middle-aged middle-management making 6 figures.
 
kirby said:
For scheduling? Fundraising? I bet I could find a secretary and stripper who could do both of those (respectively) better than an AD. In these economic times, give me sports for kids over middle-aged middle-management making 6 figures.
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What Are the Job Duties of an Athletic Director?

Your primary duty as an athletic director (AD) is the supervision of coaches, sports teams and athletic departments. Some of your tasks may include initiating fundraising events, allocating money and contacting alumni for donations. You're also responsible for dissolving sports teams, hiring coaches and firing employees. You may also supervise the ordering of equipment and scheduling of events, games and matches. You probably won't work directly with athletes. However, you may act as a representative between athletes and faculty or instructors.

A large part of this position is to comply with all applicable legal regulations and ethics standards. For example, if you're an AD at a college, you're responsible for ensuring that the athletic programs comply with NCAA conference regulations. If you discover anything is amiss with a coach or athlete, you must report him or her to the appropriate state or conference officials. You may also be required to lead an investigation or appoint investigators to review incidents of rules violations.
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What is an Athletic Director?

He's essentially the CEO of a company that makes 88 milllion dollars a year.
 
DexterMorgan said:
What is an Athletic Director?

He's essentially the CEO of a company that makes 88 milllion dollars a year.
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With an inherent conflict of interest. His/her primary role is to raise money and the best way to assure making money is to have successful athletic programs. The Duke AD is dependent on their b-ball program, Iowa is dependent on football, etc. So they may be a CEO, but with less control over their enterprise than those they are supposed to supervise. Coach K is Duke athletics as Joe Pa was to PSU. To also require ADs to assure that there is "institutional control" when that will actually be an impediment to cash flow is where the conflict of interest arises...see Gene Smith....see PSU's horrific situation. It is time to re-evaluate the athletic depts of higher education. Put the ADs in the fundraising arm, and outsource the accountability to independent sources.

To assume there is no conflict of interest is burying your head in the sand. I think accountability and fundraising would both improve, and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be cheaper to institutions (so Iowa boys golf, track, baseball may actually last this decade). But, most importantly, we avoid the the CEO/AD who will do anything to protect the brand, including actions that harm others.
 
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kirby said:
With an inherent conflict of interest. His/her primary role is to raise money and the best way to assure making money is to have successful athletic programs. The Duke AD is dependent on their b-ball program, Iowa is dependent on football, etc. So they may be a CEO, but with less control over their enterprise than those they are supposed to supervise. Coach K is Duke athletics as Joe Pa was to PSU. To also require ADs to assure that there is "institutional control" when that will actually be an impediment to cash flow is where the conflict of interest arises...see Gene Smith....see PSU's horrific situation. It is time to re-evaluate the athletic depts of higher education. Put the ADs in the fundraising arm, and outsource the accountability to independent sources.

To assume there is no conflict of interest is burying your head in the sand. I think accountability and fundraising would both improve, and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be cheaper to institutions (so Iowa boys golf, track, baseball may actually last this decade). But, most importantly, we avoid the the CEO/AD who will do anything to protect the brand, including actions that harm others.
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So now you have to pay an AD and an outside independent firm? how's that going to save money?
 
Section136 said:
Its about JoePa and his role in the coverup. The thread has since been deleted from the PSU site but it seems the guy who posted it over there has a pretty sparkling repuation when it comes to accurate posts. Here is the link to the thread on the OSU Scout Board.

Scout.com: Disturbing post on the PSU board
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not surprised. and not surprising how fast paterno fell ill and died once this story hit the light of day. no coincidence here.
 
Clark said:
Yes. I'll be waiting patiently while you thumb through the rulebook.



What exactly are you trying to say here?
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So what you're saying is that if a rule isn't completely spelled out in black and white that nothing can be done? That there isn't any room for application of the spirit of a rule into specific circumstances? That there's no room for interpretation and application of a "generic" rule to specific circumstances?

Well heck, if that's the case, why do we have a Supreme Court, or any court of law, for that matter? I mean, if every single law isn't spelled out in black and white, then there's no case, right?

Please tell me you're not that dense and you're just playing devil's advocate or just being contrary for the heck of it!
 
Clark said:
Yes. I'll be waiting patiently while you thumb through the rulebook.



What exactly are you trying to say here?
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Allow me to translate. I'm a little rusty with my *******, but I think he said, "a hurrp derp, derpa hoopr hurrr derp."
 
SpiderRico said:
So what you're saying is that if a rule isn't completely spelled out in black and white that nothing can be done? That there isn't any room for application of the spirit of a rule into specific circumstances? That there's no room for interpretation and application of a "generic" rule to specific circumstances?

Well heck, if that's the case, why do we have a Supreme Court, or any court of law, for that matter? I mean, if every single law isn't spelled out in black and white, then there's no case, right?

Please tell me you're not that dense and you're just playing devil's advocate or just being contrary for the heck of it!
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It's really not that difficult, he's basically saying "What NCAA rule did they break?"
 
Clark said:
Yes. I'll be waiting patiently while you thumb through the rulebook.



What exactly are you trying to say here?
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really?

the legendary jopa has this story covered up for years, it finally hits the national press, and he subsequently dies a relatively fast death, while still seemingly healthy enough to coach division 1 football, even tho he is 85 years old. this story, and his own first hand knowledge of what happened inside the 4 walls and his involvement in such, crushed him like a rag doll once it was out in the open.
 
I really can't wait to find out what really happened to that DA (investigator?) that "disappeared" when it was being decided if charges should be brought against Sandirty.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
really?

the legendary jopa has this story covered up for years, it finally hits the national press, and he subsequently dies a relatively fast death, while still seemingly healthy enough to coach division 1 football, even tho he is 85 years old. this story, and his own first hand knowledge of what happened inside the 4 walls and his involvement in such, crushed him like a rag doll once it was out in the open.
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so you're saying that the sandusky scandal caused paterno to contract lung cancer?
 
I couldn't find anything in the NCAA rulebook about harboring a child molester. There's also nothing explicitly prohibiting nude cheerleading or eating another man's face off.

Hurrrrrrrrrrr...
 
The way I understand the below passage "Lack of institutional control" can only occur if an NCAA rule has been violated.

"CONTROL" IS DEFINED IN COMMON-SENSE TERMS.
In determining whether there has been a lack of institutional control when a violation of NCAA
rules has been found it is necessary to ascertain what formal institutional policies and procedures
were in place at the time the violation of NCAA rules occurred
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http://compliance.pac-12.org/thetools/instctl.pdf
 
Billso said:
I couldn't find anything in the NCAA rulebook about harboring a child molester. There's also nothing explicitly prohibiting nude cheerleading or eating another man's face off.

Hurrrrrrrrrrr...
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And your point? I don't remember the NCAA sanctioning anyone for either of those.
 
What's the NCAA's position on gay marriage? Can they fix my parking ticket?
My neighbor won't mow his lawn and it has become very unsightly, is there anything the NCAA can do about it?
 
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