I'm sold. CJ Beathard should start the rest of the season.

[KCHawkeye]

QB Efficiency rating through Purdue.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/team/312/passing/index.html

JR - 129.55 UNI/ BSU/ ISU/ 1/2 Pitt
CJ - 120.40 (1 series UNI?)/ 1/2 Pitt/ Purdue

This year's Sagarin rating of opponents after Purdue for reference-
UNI - 80
BSU - 97
ISU - 67
Pitt - 58
Purdue - 112

Looks like Jake would be more efficient. But, Jake played all last year and had 1st team reps this year. I still think CJ has more upside.

We just have not played any world-beaters, yet. Everyone was right about an easy schedule.

I like CJ to start and I think he needs the real game reps, but I don't think KF will let an injury replace a starter, unless the #2 is absolutely fantastic. I think CJ gets starter next year and will be fantastic.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Not only has Jake played in more games hes take snaps in practice with the ones. We are comparing where one player is starting to wear one is almost finished. On the other hand Im worried that CJ goes down hill the more time he spends with KF and GD.

I just think GD is bi-polar or iron-deficient or hypoglycemic or something. Some games it looks like the whole staff sat down and planned it out beautifully. Other times it looks like the Etch-a-Sketch post someone made a month or two ago.

 

[HomerChampless]

Exactly correct.

Small sample size, but Beathard averages right at 14 yards per completion.

Rudock averages around 9 yards per completion. That is huge. It opens up a lot of other options.

Like sustained drives and keeping Iowa's D on the sideline and opening up Iowa's running game.

 

[Knight78]

The fact that Stanzi led us to a 9-0 start might have had something to do with that. OSU also did very little to pressure JVB until it got to overtime; they sat back and dared him to beat them, and once he nearly did, they got serious and shut him down. He also threw 3 interceptions and could easily have had 5 (the pass that Moeaki leaped up for in a crowd that should have been picked by a linebacker, and the pick that was negated by a penalty).

All I am saying is that we had a QB step into a starting role in a much more hostile environment against a much better team and did a more than admirable job. CJB stepped into a starting role and did an admirable job as well; however I don't think what he did was head and shoulders above what JR would have done. And I believe JR will be the starter against Indiana.

 

[HomerChampless]

The poster who continues to complain about Davis: I think if you examine Davis' results while Rudock is QB you have every right to complain. The, for example, 3 yard pass plays the stacked box for the running game the constant check downs to the running play the lack of 15+ yard plays and Rudock's, IMO, insufferable waiting in the pocket for Iowa receivers to get open enough for him to throw to them. And the low scores... Indiana is going to score some points.

 

[okeefe4prez]

The poster who continues to complain about Davis: I think if you examine Davis' results while Rudock is QB you have every right to complain. The, for example, 3 yard pass plays the stacked box for the running game the constant check downs to the running play the lack of 15+ plays and Rudock's, IMO, insufferable waiting in the pocket for Iowa receivers to get open enough for him to throw to them. And the low scores... Indiana is going to score some points.

Not to diss our defense or Jake, but I think there is only a 7.2% chance we beat Indiana if Jake starts that game. Assuming Indiana's defense is roughly on par with ISU and BSU, I project Jake putting up 17 points. Our D is fine, but I think keeping Indiana out of the endzone twice and keeping them from scoring 2 FGs when our O leaves the D in crappy positions all day is just a monumental task and we lose unless the D adds at least 6 points and gift wraps another score.

 

[HomerChampless]

To any postero you think Rudock is better than CJB because, at least IMO, I think they're equal in ability NOW. And CJB has so much more of an upside than Rudock. I think of this analogy: you have a choice to invest in 2 houses that are equal in value and one house is in the country and the other house is in the city.

 

[BlindDogScooter]

All this nonsense about CJ having a greater upside... what makes you
think CJ hasn't already reached his full potential? Because he can throw
the ball a long way? Lots of guys who will never wear a D1 uniform can throw
the ball a long way. The truth is you have no clue if he does or doesn't.

What's amusing is that you all sound so earnest as if you think you really
have some logical basis for evaluating a player's potential that gives you
some level of insight that coaches who work with them daily can't see.

It's all really kind of ridiculous. Meanwhile, Jake will start the Indiana game
because he is a superior all around leader on the field.

 

[okeefe4prez]

All this nonsense about CJ having a greater upside... what makes you
think CJ hasn't already reached his full potential? Because he can throw
the ball a long way? Lots of guys who will never wear a D1 uniform can throw
the ball a long way. The truth is you have no clue if he does or doesn't.

What's amusing is that you all sound so earnest as if you think you really
have some logical basis for evaluating a player's potential that gives you
some level of insight that coaches who work with them daily can't see.

It's all really kind of ridiculous. Meanwhile, Jake will start the Indiana game
because he is a superior all around leader on the field.

CJ's first start - Conference road win
Jake's first start - home loss to MAC team

I watched Jake struggle to put up 17 points against Ball State and was so disgusted that I went to a minor league NASCAR race the day of the Iowa-ISU game bince I was almost certain we would lose based on the offense that I saw against Ball State. I don't care who is the better leader, until I see Jake drop passes into a breadbasket along the sideline with perfect precision, I ain't gonna support the kid starting.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

All this nonsense about CJ having a greater upside... what makes you
think CJ hasn't already reached his full potential? Because he can throw
the ball a long way? Lots of guys who will never wear a D1 uniform can throw
the ball a long way. The truth is you have no clue if he does or doesn't.

What's amusing is that you all sound so earnest as if you think you really
have some logical basis for evaluating a player's potential that gives you
some level of insight that coaches who work with them daily can't see.

It's all really kind of ridiculous. Meanwhile, Jake will start the Indiana game
because he is a superior all around leader on the field.

Im with you. Why would anyone doubt the coaches? Plus Cj isnt even good in practice. Hawks were 3-0 till Jake got banged up. Could be 5-0 now.

 

[Benddontbreak]

All this nonsense about CJ having a greater upside... what makes you
think CJ hasn't already reached his full potential? Because he can throw
the ball a long way? Lots of guys who will never wear a D1 uniform can throw
the ball a long way. The truth is you have no clue if he does or doesn't.

What's amusing is that you all sound so earnest as if you think you really
have some logical basis for evaluating a player's potential that gives you
some level of insight that coaches who work with them daily can't see.

It's all really kind of ridiculous. Meanwhile, Jake will start the Indiana game
because he is a superior all around leader on the field.

Well for starters, CJB has better arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, better deep ball by a wide margin, better runner, better at audibles, and better decision maker. Rudock being a better leader equates to what? Besides something you can’t even prove…

 

[BlindDogScooter]

CJ's first start - Conference road win
Jake's first start - home loss to MAC team

I watched Jake struggle to put up 17 points against Ball State...

And that's what is so ridiculous about the commentary. You say that as if you
believe either of them was solely responsible for those results.

NEWS FLASH: It was the middle of the second quarter before the Hawks got
a first down against Purdue and that came on a pass interference call. Was that
solely CJ's fault?

So far CJ looks to me like a pretty average QB with a big arm. I'm not impressed
with the rest of his game. He's a decent sub at this point.

 

[BlindDogScooter]

Well for starters, CJB has better arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, better deep ball by a wide margin, better runner, better at audibles, and better decision maker. Rudock being a better leader equates to what? Besides something you can’t even prove…

As you try to prove things that aren't even close to true.

 

[Billso]

Well for starters, CJB has better arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, better deep ball by a wide margin, better runner, better at audibles, and better decision maker. Rudock being a better leader equates to what? Besides something you can’t even prove…

I'm in the "CJB upside" camp and hope he starts against Indiana. But we don't know CJ to be superior in every way you list.

arm strength - CJB
accuracy - push
quicker release - CJB
better deep ball by a wide margin - CJB
better runner - CJB quicker but JR is slippery
better at audibles - too early to know
better decision maker - JR is a known quantity here, jury's out on CJB, both QBs have made bad decisions but I'd take either guy over Purdue's...
pocket presence - you didn't list this but JR is far superior at this stage
hair - CJB
practice habits - practice? we talkin' bout PRACTICE?

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

I just don't see what you guys are seeing. CJ had a pretty rough game, especially in the first half.

17/37. Under 50%.

And before you blame the drops, most of those were because CJ always throws the fastball. His passes are not easy to catch. He's going to break receivers fingers. He's going to get passes tipped at the line because he doesn't put enough air under a lot of this throws.

Today he checked down past several open receivers, just like you always complain about how Jake does. He's going to try to force a lot of passes, and today you saw the pick 6 as a result.

Yes, CJ does some nice things, but overall I simply don't see him as an obvious upgrade from Jake. I think we can win with either guy, frankly.

Purdue is a bad team. Jake could have easily piloted a 14 point win today.

Same for me. I saw 3 and out after three and out. I saw a very poor completion percentage, a bad pick six, not much for passing yardage, lots and lots of check downs that everyone is critical of jake for, passes drilled at receivers making it difficult for them to adjust, a long ball undertow so much that we had to play defender on it.it seems like all these things we were critical of jake for are bring overlooked with golden boy? So he had a decent second half, but yet jakes second half against ball state is discredited? Honestly I was on the sunshine train last week but I was underwhelmed. This was against purdont, jake put up 38 against them last year. Sunshine is not Montana.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Guys-out first first down came in the middle of the 2nd qtr due to to a penalty? It was three and out after three and out. A bad bad pick six. Check down after check down. Long ball badly under thrown. Against a bad bad purdont team. I can only imagine what would be said if this was jake at the healm.

 

[theboat]

Bottom line is that if our D and running game were dominant, you go with Rudock. This year's Iowa team is decent on defense and has a terrible running game. You have to go with a QB that gives you more chances to make plays. Checkdown Charlie just doesn't do that, so my decision would be to live or die with CJB rather than fail slowly with Rudock.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Checkdown charlie. Not bad

 

[DesMoinesHawki]

The bottomline for me is who has been at the helm when the Iowa offense looked its best thus far this season? CJ ... Yes, he is still young in terms of starts ... But he seems to know the offense ... Minus the 8 drops Saturday, CJ had a nice game. The pick 6 happened from holding the ball about 1 second too long ... Other than that, CJ simply brings more to the offense. Yes, there will be some bumps along the way (i.e. the pick 6) but I still think CJ gives us the best chance to win ... He IS a threat to go deep and that alone forces the defense to not sell out on the run or short pass. His pass to Kevonte was perfectly placed. I will take CJ (and the possible errors that come with him) over Jake... I think CJ has earned the chance to continue to start and I think Kirk knows that. Despite Kirk's previous approach, I will be very surprised if CJ does not start against Indiana. Competition is good and right now, I think Jake needs to try and win the starting job back ...

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Man, I don't know guys. That first half was pretty painful. I'd say very bit as painful as any beat hard game I've watched. Lots and lots of three and outs. Some pretty bad passes, overthrown and under thrown, open receivers missed, plenty of check downs, Some sacks. I didn't see much sunshine at all.