I'm sold. CJ Beathard should start the rest of the season.

[Billso]

The captain? 65-55 career big ten record. Top ten paid coach. Can we please put to rest the term "captain" when referring to Kurt?

You can curse Star Trek for that reference.

Nice try, but Star Trek was Captain Kirk not Kurt.

The "Captain" reference, as all Iowa fans know, stems from Kurt's aggressive, swashbuckling pirate-captain approach to game management.

 

[83Hawk]

With Jake, defenses don't have to worry about defending the middle of the field, or deep. With CJ, they do. It not only opens up the passing game, but the running game as well.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

With Jake, defenses don't have to worry about defending the middle of the field, or deep. With CJ, they do. It not only opens up the passing game, but the running game as well.

And this will allow us to be a lot more unpredictable with play calling within down and distance situations.

 

[Seth53]

Difficult to make a choice considering:

CJ's 1st start.
Purdue is bad. Really bad.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

He keeps taking shots, no fear. He is our QB and teams will fear our offense.

Purdue was certainly quaking...

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Difficult to make a choice considering:

CJ's 1st start.
Purdue is bad. Really bad.

Perhaps the loss at home to ISU is a better gauge?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I just don't see what you guys are seeing. CJ had a pretty rough game, especially in the first half.

17/37. Under 50%.

And before you blame the drops, most of those were because CJ always throws the fastball. His passes are not easy to catch. He's going to break receivers fingers. He's going to get passes tipped at the line because he doesn't put enough air under a lot of this throws.

Today he checked down past several open receivers, just like you always complain about how Jake does. He's going to try to force a lot of passes, and today you saw the pick 6 as a result.

Yes, CJ does some nice things, but overall I simply don't see him as an obvious upgrade from Jake. I think we can win with either guy, frankly.

Purdue is a bad team. Jake could have easily piloted a 14 point win today.

Totally agree...BUT...I think we will "need" both QBs this season. Jake is more level, safer, etc., while CJ CAN bring "instant offense". What we saw from CJ today, mistake-wise, were things people complain about with Jake. Receiver drops, on the other hand, have no prejudice, either.

The common denominator--and we should ALL thank CJ for proving it out--is that our OC is simply not good. The longer we keep him, the more one CAN blame KF for keeping him.

There are ways for GD to pacify KF with "safe" while being effective, if not mildly "aggressive". He simply isn't doing that. CJB, in spite of missing receivers, throwing a pick-6 and holding the ball too long (one sack was pitiful, he simply had no vision OR he thought the guy would get taken out of the play), was handicapped with some of the dumbest play-calling sequences and choices. Stretching the field vertically helps the run game. It's also necessary if GD wants to exploit the horizontal-with-yards-after-catch passing game. Apparently, GD is the only one who missed that memo.

QB, OL, WR, TE, RB, etc., are NOT our problems. There is ONE problem: OC.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Beathard=equals biggers plays, but more mistakes
Rudock=less biggers plays, less mistakes
Coaching Staff=Play calls that can effect both QBs.
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A push?

I would say a slight edge to CJ today based on performance. I must admit, I was not overly impressed with CJ today, but I still like the fact he can stretch the field in ways Jake can't.

To paraphrase the "It's the economy, stupid", in this case, "It's the OC, stupid".

The play-calling and strategizing is maddening. With KOK it was pretty easy to see there was a system, a goal, a strategy, etc.

I'm not sure WHAT to call the current offensive scam..er, "scheme", yeah, scheme!

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Right. But Jake has hit his ceiling. CJ has a long way to go up. He might never get there, but he certainly wont if he doesn't play.

He will NEVER get there under the current OC.

 

[seepig]

Here's what I saw Jake checks down to quick and cannot complete the deep ball. CJ completes the deep ball, not afraid to throw it but holds the ball too long. CJ can kill people with a QB run Jake cannot. That's the difference. I think I remember a couple realllly bad balls JR threw last year like the NIU pick.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Congrats on being the first QB to win his first start since Jake Christensen in 2006!

Stanzi "won" his against ISU in 2008...he just didn't "finish" it...

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Here's what I saw Jake checks down to quick and cannot complete the deep ball. CJ completes the deep ball, not afraid to throw it but holds the ball too long. CJ can kill people with a QB run Jake cannot. That's the difference. I think I remember a couple realllly bad balls JR threw last year like the NIU pick.

Jake completes the deep ball twice against Pitt, one to Vandeberg, one to Powell, who promptly did a hand-off to a Pitt DB. And Jake can run just fine. Have yet to see CJ "kill" ANYbody with a run. Until I do, I'll hold off on taking your word for it.

Besides, in addition to being extremely subjective and "wanting" CJ, everyone's missing the most salient point: our OC is not good. At all.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Beathard's passing efficiency rating was only 105.1, which is terrible. His feet are way too happy! He is not the answer at quarterback until he stops doing a Ben Vereen tap dance number every time he drops back to pass.

CJ certainly had some problems. The biggest is the OC. If there is a preset ****** of plays for first drive or two, SOMEbody needs to re-work it.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Jake completes the deep ball twice against Pitt, one to Vandeberg, one to Powell, who promptly did a hand-off to a Pitt DB. And Jake can run just fine. Have yet to see CJ "kill" ANYbody with a run. Until I do, I'll hold off on taking your word for it.

Besides, in addition to being extremely subjective and "wanting" CJ, everyone's missing the most salient point: our OC is not good. At all.

JR missed badly on four long balls against BSU, 2 under and 2 over throws. All four would have been touchdowns. Regarding GD, CJ doesn't seem to mind the play calling. I don't think CJ has a better grasp of what GD's offense philosophy is, he just has the arm strength to carry it out better.

CJ has lead the offense to 51 points in 6 qtrs.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

JR missed badly on four long balls against BSU, 2 under and 2 over throws. All four would have been touchdowns. Regarding GD, CJ doesn't seem to mind the play calling. I don't think CJ has a better grasp of what GD's offense philosophy is, he just has the arm strength to carry it out better.

CJ has lead the offense to 51 points in 6 qtrs.

And CJ missed badly on several throws yesterday (aside from receiver drops). And try 41 points in 6 quarters. And take away 7 for the pick-6, too.

It's fine if you "want" CJ. I get that. But saying he has done anything to prove we will be "better" with him is nonsense. And he may not "mind" the play-calling, but I doubt very much the play-calling is helping him (OR Jake).

 

[brhawks18]

With Jake, defenses don't have to worry about defending the middle of the field, or deep. With CJ, they do. It not only opens up the passing game, but the running game as well.

Exactly correct.

Small sample size, but Beathard averages right at 14 yards per completion.

Rudock averages around 9 yards per completion. That is huge. It opens up a lot of other options.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

And CJ missed badly on several throws yesterday (aside from receiver drops). And try 41 points in 6 quarters. And take away 7 for the pick-6, too.

It's fine if you "want" CJ. I get that. But saying he has done anything to prove we will be "better" with him is nonsense. And he may not "mind" the play-calling, but I doubt very much the play-calling is helping him (OR Jake).

yeah, bob, I am not going to try and change your mind. I see what I see. I see CJ making throws JR wouldn't even consider. And when you remark that missed badly on several throws, I can think of 2, the pick 6 and the ball behind Hamilton over the middle (which did hit Hamilton in the hands but wasn't a good throw). Which others did you see?

You can't just discount the dropped passes either. I am not saying they should be counted as completions, by any means, but you have to count those as good plays by the qb. If you don't, then you aren't taking an impartial look at what is actually happening.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

yeah, bob, I am not going to try and change your mind. I see what I see. I see CJ making throws JR wouldn't even consider. And when you remark that missed badly on several throws, I can think of 2, the pick 6 and the ball behind Hamilton over the middle (which did hit Hamilton in the hands but wasn't a good throw). Which others did you see?

You can't just discount the dropped passes either. I am not saying they should be counted as completions, by any means, but you have to count those as good plays by the qb. If you don't, then you aren't taking an impartial look at what is actually happening.

Rocket throw behind and over an outstretched KMM on 3rd and 4 was the "worst" throw I remember. And that throw WAS behind Hamilton, but he still should have caught it. I don't put anything on the QB that the receiver can touch, and balance it by not putting on the receiver that makes him change course

You have to count dropped passes thrown by BOTH QBs. And you can't attribute CJs to "bad" catching while attributing Jake's to "poor" throwing. Have to be fair

Look, I see a higher up side with CJ. Just not sure he's as as far along as some would like to believe. And I maintain that we will "need" two QBs this year, if only because one might go to jail for strangling the OC. The other reasons being that I think both are still unpolished enough that changing up things won't "hurt" anything and COULD help.

Again, though, QB isn't my worry, OC is. I think both QBs and all of our RBs can get it done to some degree.

 

[doclee]

This post will likely bore you to death...Maybe KF is right. We have two QB's who can be trusted, maybe for different reasons, to be successful. So, I think I will let KF decide. He and I speak weekly and I always tell him that its his decision and he accepts that responsibility. I think I will just sit back and cheer for whomever the QB is at any given time...

And, Hawkeye Bob 62 said it better than I can anyway. So, I will defer to his articulate appraisal...NO sarcasm here.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Not only has Jake played in more games hes take snaps in practice with the ones. We are comparing where one player is starting to wear one is almost finished. On the other hand Im worried that CJ goes down hill the more time he spends with KF and GD.