If you were Beathard's parent, would you encourage him to transfer?

Or he could be like Mark Vlasic, who rode the bench behind Chuck Long for 3 years, then started his senior year, did great, and spent some time in the NFL based on that one season.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
I see this in Weismann this year. He continues to be a good player but I do not see the desire to finish many of his runs like he did last year. The incentive to do that is gone because he is the starter.
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Come on. The kid is tough. Just because he's not Earl Campbell doesn't mean he's resting on his laurels cuz he's 'made it'
 
CJ has an entire off season and spring and summer to compete for the job next year. It can happen. Exact same ages as Jake C/Ricky Stanzi. Jake threw for 17TD/6INT in 2007 as a sophomore and Stanzi took just a few snaps, as did Arvell Nelson. Nelson took himself out of the picture with some off the field issues before spring ball. Stanzi made huge strides and was KOK's choice early on.

That said, I think barring injury, it's going to be tough to wrest the job from Jake R...as he is going to improve, too.
 
I am going to add my two cents. I hope he stays because he is talented. If he really , really wants to be a starting D1 QB he might want to be here one more year and if that doesnt work out , he might transfer with 2 more years left to play.

If his dream is the NFL or even playing pro in Canada then he needs to play. He has a strong arm but he needs to show he can read defenses very well and throw all the passes at a high % completion rate.

I think Kenny Guiton of OSU gets drafted late or gets a serious tryout in the pros. I am not so sure Guiton would if he didnt play in three games this year.
 
At worst he starts one full year. That's not bad and you can definitely make a name for yourself in one year. See Brad Banks.
 
Is this a serious question?

You want to tell a guy who will get three years in a program and almost certainly be the starter his senior year to transfer because a guy who has two years in the program and is largely playing magnificent football for a sophomore is playing ahead of him?

Most QB's get two years max, plenty only start one year and there are more than a couple examples of guys who only played for a year getting a shot in the pros when they do well that year.

So I ask again, is that a serious question, or have Iowa fans created yet another internet legend?
 
I hope he stays as Iowa needs a good backup QB. He is one injury from playing and if nothing else he can start his senior year. I remember Mark Vlasic held the clipboard for 3 years as Chuck Long's backup and still went on to play in the NFL.
 
While I hope he remains a Hawk, I don't think anyone could fault him for seeking a transfer. He's simply too talented to be riding pine, waiting for something bad to happen to the starter. Ferentz can't be faulted for playing the quarterback he thinks gives the program the best chance to win. But it's no secret how unwilling he is to re-think who that might be.
 
LawVHawk said:
While I hope he remains a Hawk, I don't think anyone could fault him for seeking a transfer. He's simply too talented to be riding pine, waiting for something bad to happen to the starter. Ferentz can't be faulted for playing the quarterback he thinks gives the program the best chance to win. But it's no secret how unwilling he is to re-think who that might be.
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How in the **** do you know how talented he is? Because you saw him in mop up time against WMU? Because you have an inside source at practice? Because he was a fairly highly touted recruit? Because there are tons of kids who would rather go play for a non BCS conference than be the heir apparent in their senior year at a major BCS program?

To be fair, I think the kid is going to be good to, but the idea that we're not playing the best QB - ESPECIALLY given how Ruddock has played is ******* stupid.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
I have been thinking all year that there is a strong possibility of this happening. This kid has a ton of upside but I cannot blame the coaches for playing Rudock. I really, really like Jake as well and think both and probably all three QB's have moved this position ahead light years from the past couple of seasons. I just wish Beathard had come along one season later.

A major problem in KF's program is entrenchment. Once a player earns trust they often do not have to continue to compete for the spot over time. In some cases you will see the performance level off or drop a little because the incentive of playing time is locked up.

I see this in Weismann this year. He continues to be a good player but I do not see the desire to finish many of his runs like he did last year. The incentive to do that is gone because he is the starter.
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Dumbest. Post. Ever.

Presumptions and assumptions notwithstanding, WTF with the Weisman-having-no-desire-to-finish-runs-this-year?! That is as dumb as some of the shee-ott Arvada"Hack" and HomerChumpHump spout. Idiocy.

As to Beathard transferring, when and if I see bona fide proof that he is better than Jake and gives us a better chance to win, great. Until then, he has NOT won the job. But if he wants to transfer, go ahead, encourage him. Just remove "Hawk" from your name when you call him up and give him the go-ahead.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
I never said I did not like Weismann. I simply stating that he does not look like the same guy as last year and it could be that he has won the job and is entrenched now. He ran with a purpose last year and that is how he won the job in the first place. That is the point.
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<<That is how he won the job in the first place>>

Really? REALLY??!! So, may I assume--something for which you show a high level of expertise--that you missed the UNI game last season?
 
BSpringsteen said:
How in the **** do you know how talented he is? Because you saw him in mop up time against WMU? Because you have an inside source at practice? Because he was a fairly highly touted recruit? Because there are tons of kids who would rather go play for a non BCS conference than be the heir apparent in their senior year at a major BCS program?

To be fair, I think the kid is going to be good to, but the idea that we're not playing the best QB - ESPECIALLY given how Ruddock has played is ******* stupid.
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Whoa, slow your roll, Sparky. I didn't say Rudock isn't solid or that Beathard is better. Rudock is good and I think he'll get even better the rest of the way heading into next year. But reporters who've seen Beathard practice also say he's good. It's great to have two (or more) solid QBs on campus. But if I was B and felt my playing time (and exposure) was being limited waiting for my chance to start, I think I'd be exploring my options.
 
BSpringsteen said:
Is this a serious question?

You want to tell a guy who will get three years in a program and almost certainly be the starter his senior year to transfer because a guy who has two years in the program and is largely playing magnificent football for a sophomore is playing ahead of him?

Most QB's get two years max, plenty only start one year and there are more than a couple examples of guys who only played for a year getting a shot in the pros when they do well that year.

So I ask again, is that a serious question, or have Iowa fans created yet another internet legend?
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Exactly. EVERY PROGRAM has a starter and back ups at every position. Transfers happen all the time but not always just for playing time. He might love it at Iowa, regardless of his playing time.
Does he like the school?
Is he happy with his classes/professors?
Does he like Iowa City?
Does he like his teammates?
Iowa City girls??

He also knows that he is one play away from starting at a BIG conference school. Why do we assume he is unhappy?
 
To be fair to both sides, let's think it through logically:

--We can all figure he gets reps, in some form or another, in practices.

--We can figure he hasn't done anything that "wows" everyone enough to say, "Hey, maybe THIS kid should be our starter!"

--We have all seen that Jake has done pretty much NOTHING to "lose" the job (see "Andrew Maxwell, Michigan State Football, 2013" or "Danny O'Brien, Wisconsin Football, 2012")

--We saw him get reps against Western Michigan, where he did a creditable job. But note, we also scored on TWO punt returns, TWO pick-6s that game. Scoring points wasn't exactly the challenge of that game.

--Greg Davis has been quoted as saying he wishes/wants to figure out ways to get Beathard on the field. But he has NOT been quoted as saying he would be willing to do it at Jake's "expense"

Going forward:
--We all should be praying--fervently--for a blow-out over Purdue that might allow Beathard (even Sokol) to see the field. Should such a thing happen against Nebraska (!), total bonus!

--There will, given that the two above were to occur, we would have a bowl game, which would mean more practices

--There will be spring practices for next season, where EVERYONE will have a chance to show what they can do.
 
I would like to see Beathard get a series or two a game just as a change up.

Just to maybe run the zone read and use his feet to stretch the defense, let him throw a long ball.

If Damon Bullock can throw a pass I would love to see Beathard or Ruddock hand the ball off to him and throw back to the QB racing alone down the sideline.

Like 2001 with McCann and Banks but without the controversy.

Our offense has been stale in the 2nd half as we know so maybe a change up gives us the options and counter type plays with Beathard we need to score that one TD.

IT IS A TEAM GAME!!!!!
 
Also, I like Rudock but let's not act like he's irreplaceable. There could be a time when he doesn't get the job done. Plus, this is football. A player could go down at any time. You never know when you'll get an opportunity.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
To be fair to both sides, let's think it through logically:

--We can all figure he gets reps, in some form or another, in practices.

--We can figure he hasn't done anything that "wows" everyone enough to say, "Hey, maybe THIS kid should be our starter!"

--We have all seen that Jake has done pretty much NOTHING to "lose" the job (see "Andrew Maxwell, Michigan State Football, 2013" or "Danny O'Brien, Wisconsin Football, 2012")

--We saw him get reps against Western Michigan, where he did a creditable job. But note, we also scored on TWO punt returns, TWO pick-6s that game. Scoring points wasn't exactly the challenge of that game.

--Greg Davis has been quoted as saying he wishes/wants to figure out ways to get Beathard on the field. But he has NOT been quoted as saying he would be willing to do it at Jake's "expense"

Going forward:
--We all should be praying--fervently--for a blow-out over Purdue that might allow Beathard (even Sokol) to see the field. Should such a thing happen against Nebraska (!), total bonus!

--There will, given that the two above were to occur, we would have a bowl game, which would mean more practices

--There will be spring practices for next season, where EVERYONE will have a chance to show what they can do.
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Not with KF as our coach, even if he thought he was better and should be starting, he never will as long as Jake is healthy....we have been there done that before.
 
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