If you were Beathard's parent, would you encourage him to transfer?

ibahawkeye said:
The point is this thread is about beathard, there are plenty of other threads to discuss ferentz
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Agree I may have gotten off on a tangent but it was not my intent. The point was I really like Rudock and see no reason to play Beathard based on his performance. I expect Beathard to transfer because I suspect he is a gamer and too good not to play. I respect that. At the same time I think it is a mistake to entrench Rudock and not hold him accountable for his future performance. Should it wane then open the job back up for competition. Kids want to play and playing time is the ultimate incentive.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
A major problem in KF's program is entrenchment. Once a player earns trust they often do not have to continue to compete for the spot over time. In some cases you will see the performance level off or drop a little because the incentive of playing time is locked up.
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Do you really want KF to waste valuable practice time letting the back ups "try out" for starting spots? How about the 3rd stringers trying out for the back up spot? This doesn't happen ANYWHERE in major college football.

You should rethink your post.
 
Easton said:
Good thing you are here to show us the light. Monotonous repetitive redundant light.
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The truth doesn't cease to be the truth... just because it's been spoken before. On the contrary...once it's recognized and still fails to be acted upon, it warrants repetition.
 
DP5555 said:
Questioning how much effort Weisman is giving is probably one of the single dumbest things I've seen posted on here in quite some time, and that's saying something... Seriously man I think it's alright to critique certain things but to call him out for "not having any incentive" without having any justifiable proof whatsoever is completely unnecessary.
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I never said I did not like Weismann. I simply stating that he does not look like the same guy as last year and it could be that he has won the job and is entrenched now. He ran with a purpose last year and that is how he won the job in the first place. That is the point.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
You have no game
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I must be entrenched huh. Getting lazy in my position. Giving no effort.

Did i miss anything redundant k?

Your weisman point showed your colors. You whine because you are clueless.. Some people understand football some don't. Its ok to be you.
 
Easton said:
I must be entrenched huh. Getting lazy in my position. Giving no effort.

Did i miss anything redundant k?

Your weisman point showed your colors. You whine because you are clueless.. Some people understand football some don't. Its ok to be you.
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And you are one the 'understanders of football' that talk but share zero insights. It's cool I know who you are.
 
1hawkeye1 said:
Do you really want KF to waste valuable practice time letting the back ups "try out" for starting spots? How about the 3rd stringers trying out for the back up spot? This doesn't happen ANYWHERE in major college football.

You should rethink your post.
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First it is an 85 man roster and I am all about playing the best 22 regardless of what string they start at.

Second tell me where Weismann was last year on the depth chart at tailback to start the season and get back to me.

You might want to re-think your post as well.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
And you are one the 'understanders of football' that talk but share zero insights. It's cool I know who you are.
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In a thread on beathard and his parents i shared my view. In the same thread you called a kid complacent, whined about coaching and stated backups need chance 2 or 3 times a game.

You showed me.
 
SpecialKHawk said:
I never said I did not like Weismann. I simply stating that he does not look like the same guy as last year and it could be that he has won the job and is entrenched now. He ran with a purpose last year and that is how he won the job in the first place. That is the point.
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First of all Weisman is spelled with one n.

Second, Weisman is not an explosive RB. He burst onto the scene last year because people didn't expect much out if him and he ran over them because of it. He isn't surprising anyone this year. I'm sure opposing coaches routinely challenge their players manhood the week they are about to play Iowa. We already know Minnesota's coaches hung a picture of him in their locker room. It isn't at all surprising to most people who have a clue what they are talking about why Weisman isn't creating as many "wow" moments as he did last year. Teams are focusing on him more and they are better prepared to tackle him. Its as simple as that. It has nothing to do with his effort. It's been said many times that he and Scherff are the hardest workers in the weightroom. I do not mean to be rude, but I think it's incredibly ignorant for you to question his effort.
 
Should we bring up all the transfers who left the program because they are unhappy too? Let's be real, while CJ has some amazing talent, Ruddock is more familiar with the system. I think there is some myth that KF's loyalty is so blind he would forego winning ball games. KF puts the best players out there to win ball games. Is KF old school and loyal to a fault? Idk.
I think he had a quick hook on Daniels when he fumbled, but then again he is criticized for not playing talent. Isn't King a freshman too? KF wants players to succeed as well as his team. If I were CJ, I would stick around Ruddock is one blind bootleg away from an injury. Remember Stanzi lying on the turf against NW? I think we lost the next three games.
KF and staff put the best team that gives us the best chance to win. Heck, he has seeming loosened the reigns a bit on the play book. Look out, maybe next year we go to a two quarterback system like NW. Lol.
 
DP5555 said:
First of all Weisman is spelled with one n.

Second, Weisman is not an explosive RB. He burst onto the scene last year because people didn't expect much out if him and he ran over them because of it. He isn't surprising anyone this year. I'm sure opposing coaches routinely challenge their players manhood the week they are about to play Iowa. We already know Minnesota's coaches hung a picture of him in their locker room. It isn't at all surprising to most people who have a clue what they are talking about why Weisman isn't creating as many "wow" moments as he did last year. Teams are focusing on him more and they are better prepared to tackle him. Its as simple as that. It has nothing to do with his effort. It's been said many times that he and Scherff are the hardest workers in the weightroom. I do not mean to be rude, but I think it's incredibly ignorant for you to question his effort.
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Look you have good points but you also make my point which is about performance. Do players need to train hard absolutely but not every great weight lifter makes for a great football player. I could be mistaken if I put the word effort down in writing but the intent of my comments are about performance. Anyway you add it up it's about playing the best 22 and holding players accountable for performance on the field through playing time. If a guy becomes ineffective over time it is then time to find the next man. If you do not find the next man then that goes back to your recruiting. Some young men become complacent. It is a fact.

We have lost a ton of close games in this program so every point, every first down, every yard and every inch are important so we need guys that have a strong mentality that can come out in the second half and move the football in order to put an opponent away. That is not happening.
 
I'd tell him to work harder.

If he can't win the starting QB position at Iowa, where else is he going to win it in D1?

I mean besides Kansas, Iowa State, and Illinois.
 
I don't CJ would consider leaving because he Is one play away from being the man if Ruddock was to get injured. Plus you never know he my win the starting job next yr.
 
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there. I just took offense to you questioning Weisman's efforts because I truly believe he's giving everything he's got. With that said, I definitely think Leshun Daniels should start to get more and more carries. I think it's clear he's probably the best all around back this team has.

Back on topic. As others have already said I would hope CJ's parents let him make the decision whether he should stick it out or transfer. I think there is honor in sticking out a commitment and battling for a position through competition. Even if Jake does hold onto the job like it appears he will there could still be opportunities to prove himself if Jake went down. He's always one play away. However, if he did choose to go somewhere he could start I'm not gonna be that guy who hates on him for it because everyone deserves their shot. He'll only be this age once, and if he truly thinks he could be a great QB then it would be hard for anyone to hold a clipboard.
 
I think Kirk has chosen the right QB. However If I was Beathard I would think long and hard if I had a real chance to take over. I just dont see Kirk making a change. Kirk is loyal to a fault and the backup is really going to have the cards stacked against him.

And yes he should talk to his parents as college kids dont always think things through.
 
DP5555 said:
I agree with a lot of what you're saying there. I just took offense to you questioning Weisman's efforts because I truly believe he's giving everything he's got. With that said, I definitely think Leshun Daniels should start to get more and more carries. I think it's clear he's probably the best all around back this team has.

Back on topic. As others have already said I would hope CJ's parents let him make the decision whether he should stick it out or transfer. I think there is honor in sticking out a commitment and battling for a position through competition. Even if Jake does hold onto the job like it appears he will there could still be opportunities to prove himself if Jake went down. He's always one play away. However, if he did choose to go somewhere he could start I'm not gonna be that guy who hates on him for it because everyone deserves their shot. He'll only be this age once, and if he truly thinks he could be a great QB then it would be hard for anyone to hold a clipboard.
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I do agree with what you are saying. I do hope for the same but just think it is a shame these QB's are separated by one class. That happens sometimes. I will also add I am basing Beathard on a very small sample and gut feeling about his perceived strengths as a player. I am also extremely happy with Jake - no issues so far with his play.

I also am not advocating for moving entirely away from Weisman just think Daniels needs to be in the 10 carry area. I do expect some youthful mistakes from him.
 
Have any of you ever watched an Iowa game on TV? CJ always looks incredibly involved and excited to be here on the sidelines.
 
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