I am sorry if this sounds mean spirited....

vork22 said:
Iowa has been an elite caliber team once or twice in the last 40 years and 2015 we were not elite. Sorry but playing an FCS school and no games against Michigan, Penn State or the OSU is a weak schedule. We got beat by the one decent team that we played and got embarrassed by the one elite team that we played. It was a great year but it was a result of the schedule.
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Uh, schedules don't make teams elite. Unless you are in that group that, in 2015, railed on Iowa the weekend we were playing Purdue, but remained silent as Alabama--in November, mind you--prepared to face off against vaunted Charleston Southern.

In 2015, we played two P5 teams in non-conference. We were within 22 seconds of being undefeated B1G Champions. In that case, we wouldn't have even been playing Stanford ( a game which, I maintain, was a huge letdown for the team, public/media comments about it being the "Granddaddy" notwithstanding).
 
DBAHawkFan said:
If our speed is that good, why are the WR being overthrown?
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Bad timing between QB and receiver. Again, though, in almost every case, the receiver has been BEHIND the defender. That may not indicate "great" speed, but it sure indicates we have receivers that are quick/fast/agile/smart enough to get open.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Nobody eptimizes that on the football side for Iowa better than Jewel.. It's not that his first and second step are faster then everybody elses at his position it's that he is always starting to take it a split second sooner. He processes plays and reads the other teams QB/RB and interior Olineman almost within a split second of the snap. Jewell isn't the fastest, strongest or most athletic LB there's ever been but he'll never take a back seat to anyone. I think Desmond King was similar at his position. He just played smart. Took great angles on the ball in the air. He could have been an outfielder the way he can track balls down I bet.
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Excellent. That is what I was trying to point out. Anticipation & processing. That is what I was trying to convey to my 5th grade boys. Anticipate/process what is going to happen on the play and this will allow you to play faster.

Well done.
 
mopkins said:
Too many of you are just delusional. How many Power 5 teams would gladly trade their last 15 seasons for Iowa's? 80% of schools?

How many schools have ended their season ranked inside the top 10 over the past 15 years? Iowa has done it FIVE TIMES. That's 3 more times than Notre Dame. That's 2 more times than Michigan. That's 1 more time than Wisconsin. That's 1 more time than Auburn. That's 1 more time than Florida. That's 5 more times than Nebraska. That's 1 more time than Stanford.

Get your heads checked.
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In addition, how many of these fan bases, when their teams are looking for a new coach, start "coach search" threads in forums and coach Ferentz's name many times comes up?
 
vork22 said:
Iowa has been an elite caliber team once or twice in the last 40 years and 2015 we were not elite. Sorry but playing an FCS school and no games against Michigan, Penn State or the OSU is a weak schedule. We got beat by the one decent team that we played and got embarrassed by the one elite team that we played. It was a great year but it was a result of the schedule.
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What exactly is your point? They play who ends up on their schedule.

This years schedule is the opposite for Iowa. Wisky has an easy schedule this year. That's just the way it goes.
 
westender said:
So why do the whiners keep watching? Why not do something less stressing? Kirk is not going anywhere. Take up a nice calm fall hobby. Those coming on here and whining constantly are just pissing into the wind.
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..................and telling you it's raining! -- signed Jon Miller.
 
westender said:
Iowa does a lot of linebackers in coverage type stuff and yeah in general a linebacker is not gonna hang with a WR or RB forever. They generally will be slower and that is not just an Iowa thing.

I guess we should just go get all the track guys to go out for football.
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....then they would bitch that our players have no bulk and that coach Doyle sucks. Iowa's weak.
 
Thawki said:
While I kind of get what the original post is saying, whether I agree with it or not, do you realize who those “small town Iowa white guy“ dbacks are? They are not holding this program up. Quite the opposite. Off the top of my head: Greenwood, Sash, Bowen. I am sure others could come up with more of them.


Maybe we always have that guy because his name is Sash or Greenwood or Bowen or Considine or insert other name here of many who fit your description. Oh, wait, those guys were just REALLY, REALLY good players. They don’t fit your profile. I guess because your profile is incorrect. You just don’t want to use facts to support it.

Maybe there are some that get burned, at all positions and from other states. Your statement is crap as it portends to DBs, though.
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Derek Pagel came to Iowa as a walk-on d-back and was drafted by the NY Jets in the 5th round. He eventually landed with the Dallas Cowboys for a cup of coffee.

https://www.hawkeyenation.com/where-are-they-now/derek-pagel
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Excellent. That is what I was trying to point out. Anticipation & processing. That is what I was trying to convey to my 5th grade boys. Anticipate/process what is going to happen on the play and this will allow you to play faster.

Well done.
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To piggyback on your basketball analogy, two of the best basketball players in NBA history, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, were marginal to poor athletes.

Being a good athlete no doubt helps, but that alone doesn't guarantee success.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
What exactly is your point? They play who ends up on their schedule.

This years schedule is the opposite for Iowa. Wisky has an easy schedule this year. That's just the way it goes.
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Yep, we are halfway through the season and Wiscy has still not played a team that currently has a winning record.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
To piggyback on your basketball analogy, two of the best basketball players in NBA history, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, were marginal to poor athletes.

Being a good athlete no doubt helps, but that alone doesn't guarantee success.
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... and Dennis Rodman was probably one of the top 5 rebounders in NBA history ... put could not jump.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Excellent. That is what I was trying to point out. Anticipation & processing. That is what I was trying to convey to my 5th grade boys. Anticipate/process what is going to happen on the play and this will allow you to play faster.

Well done.
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Yup it's as much of a 'skill' as dribbling or shooting is. The more kids in 5th grade play the game the better they'll get at it. They are just getting started as far as team ball goes. Repetition over and over and over of seeing plays unfold is how they'll get better at it. Really isn't another way. Some will have a more natural nack at it but I'm sure it's fun if you were to track how they all start off this year to how much they improve at the end how much they better they get.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
To piggyback on your basketball analogy, two of the best basketball players in NBA history, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, were marginal to poor athletes.

Being a good athlete no doubt helps, but that alone doesn't guarantee success.
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Those two dudes... Man good luck finding a better 'era' of ball being played. Bird might just might have had a bit of a tougher time playing in todays game. But he was still 6'9 with the skills that he had he'd have been really damn good. People forget what a great passer and team player he was. Magics vision and leadership was off the charts. For those of you with kiddos or too young to have seen them, watch their highlights (Bird has one that's like 12 mins long I think that's just ridiculous)
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Yup it's as much of a 'skill' as dribbling or shooting is. The more kids in 5th grade play the game the better they'll get at it. They are just getting started as far as team ball goes. Repetition over and over and over of seeing plays unfold is how they'll get better at it. Really isn't another way. Some will have a more natural nack at it but I'm sure it's fun if you were to track how they all start off this year to how much they improve at the end how much they better they get.
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The core of this team has been playing together for their 3rd year now. This is their 3rd year, so in addition, they are used to each other which is really showing. It is amazing what they understand about the game compared to what I did at their age.

We have some set plays with signals, complicated out-of-bounds plays, hedging on defense, a little zone just to show them what it is. We primarily are man-to-man but have had to come out after half in a 2-3 a couple times just to give a different look.
 
InGoodCo said:
Iowa has the 4th highest win percentage in the B1G over a 16 year time span, that style of play is NOT a determent to Iowa's success, it's the key. Having a program that consistently wins 7 or 8 games isn't settling, it's upper half of the nation. I lose so much respect for Hawkeye fans on this site.
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Again, where could Iowa be if they had an offense that ranked in the 60's versus the 95-100's?

It's not because we don't have the talent, as we send OL, RB, TE, and now QB's to the NFL. Yes, it would be nice if we had NFL caliber WR, but the Big10 doesn't really send a lot of WR to the NFL lately.

And why pick 16 years? I get that we omit Kirk's first year, but I don't think we should omit other seasons.

We choose to have an offense that is statistically bad. I don't see how getting an offense to adapt/perform better would have negative results. Imagine a 2001-2002 type offense with a 2009 defense. Granted, the stars won't always line up...but our defense has consistently been decent.

It would be nice if the effort was there to make the offense the same
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Those two dudes... Man good luck finding a better 'era' of ball being played. Bird might just might have had a bit of a tougher time playing in todays game. But he was still 6'9 with the skills that he had he'd have been really damn good. People forget what a great passer and team player he was. Magics vision and leadership was off the charts. For those of you with kiddos or too young to have seen them, watch their highlights (Bird has one that's like 12 mins long I think that's just ridiculous)
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The 80's was an amazing time to be an NBA fan. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kareem, McHale, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, the Bad Boys, etc., etc. I don't follow the NBA nearly as much as I did back then, but still keep tabs a little bit. The game just isn't what it was. Bird and Magic would have played each other for free, and still given 110%.
 
InGoodCo said:
Good point, and you're not wrong, I'd also put that # of years out a little further then 40 years. So, it's an Iowa thing for sure, we have hundreds of years of data to draw on. Iowa doesn't make it's B1G schedule so it wasn't like Iowa ducked those teams. They also schedule 2 power 5 teams when very few other programs were doing so. What coaches do people want to come to Iowa to make it an elite team annually? Not a snarky question - Honestly, what is the answer? If Iowa fans are fed up with KF - who do you want Iowa to go out and get?
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There are plenty of coaches out there but I would honestly take anyone.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Uh, schedules don't make teams elite. Unless you are in that group that, in 2015, railed on Iowa the weekend we were playing Purdue, but remained silent as Alabama--in November, mind you--prepared to face off against vaunted Charleston Southern.

In 2015, we played two P5 teams in non-conference. We were within 22 seconds of being undefeated B1G Champions. In that case, we wouldn't have even been playing Stanford ( a game which, I maintain, was a huge letdown for the team, public/media comments about it being the "Granddaddy" notwithstanding).
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I never said schedules make a team elite. So you think we were elite in 2015? We had a once in a lifetime season which was awesome but I don't think we were elite. An elite team beats Michigan State and hangs with Stanford.
 
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