Hubbard?

[JonDMiller]

Jon, come on. You honestly can't see that there is a big difference between a DUI and a home invasion with assault? There's a huge difference there. One would be a violent crime, the other would be a poor judgement crime. Very big difference.

I am more responding to the term 'ex con' being thrown around. By definition, it means a person formerly convicted of a crime, and that did time. I outlined one instance that a lot of people can relate to.

I am mostly ambivalent related to the recruitment of Hubbard.

 

[JonDMiller]

Another thought in this thread...Hubbard is probably smart enough to know that no matter where he ends up, he's going to take some heat from segments of the fanbase. Fran and Co made sure the suits were OK with pursuing this kid, too...so the suits vetted him and feel comfortable enough with his life transformation, if you will, to allow the staff to offer him a scholarship.

 

[SpiderRico]

You're right. Murder, public intox, whatever, it's all the same.

Wait, so now we're recruiting a murderer? Wow, when did that happen?

We get it.....even though you haven't met the guy or spoken one word with him, you hate his guts and think he's a "thug" and below the high standards we have for students at the U of I.

And of course, your judgement is MUCH better than the judgement of a guy the University is paying over a million dollars a year to make those sorts of judgement calls.

Dude, seriously, just get over yourself.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Wait, so now we're recruiting a murderer? Wow, when did that happen?

We get it.....even though you haven't met the guy or spoken one word with him, you hate his guts and think he's a "thug" and below the high standards we have for students at the U of I.

And of course, your judgement is MUCH better than the judgement of a guy the University is paying over a million dollars a year to make those sorts of judgement calls.

Dude, seriously, just get over yourself.

Yes I think anyone is convicted of armed robbery is a thug. Crazy, I know. If you have a problem with that, too bad. And Iowa doesn't pay Fran to be a good judge of character, they pay him to win basketball games, and obviously he's getting a little desperate with his recruiting efforts at this point.

 

[needhamsandwich]

Yes I think anyone is convicted of armed robbery is a thug. Crazy, I know. If you have a problem with that, too bad. And Iowa doesn't pay Fran to be a good judge of character, they pay him to win basketball games, and obviously he's getting a little desperate with his recruiting efforts at this point.

Desperate?? I'll give you Washpun, but most every other target we've been on for a while. I don't get the sense that the staff is "desperate".

 

[CRhawkeye4life]

Yes I think anyone is convicted of armed robbery is a thug. Crazy, I know. If you have a problem with that, too bad. And Iowa doesn't pay Fran to be a good judge of character, they pay him to win basketball games, and obviously he's getting a little desperate with his recruiting efforts at this point.

We get it, you don't want him on the team. If he is on the team next year and you have a problem with it (let me quote you) TO BAD.

 

[BALDIES7980]

Yes I think anyone is convicted of armed robbery is a thug. Crazy, I know. If you have a problem with that, too bad. And Iowa doesn't pay Fran to be a good judge of character, they pay him to win basketball games, and obviously he's getting a little desperate with his recruiting efforts at this point.

I think your best option would to be crawling back under that rock you've been living under for god knows how long before you realize how silly you sound.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

We get it, you don't want him on the team. If he is on the team next year and you have a problem with it (let me quote you) TO BAD.

Well with the way Fran has been closing on recruits we probably won't have to worry about it.

 

[BigD]

People do change and sometimes for the better. Yes what he did was a disreputable action and one that I am sure he regrets now. I say bring him on board but keep a close eye on him and have a very short chain.....no pun (chain) intended.

 

[coonhawk]

All I can say is he better put up huge numbers for the risk to be worth the reward. Can you imagine if you had an 18 old kid on the team mixing with a 25 year old convicted felon or better yet an 18 year old daughter going out on a date with a 25 year old convicted felon....ouch

 

[azhawkphan]

Jon, come on. You honestly can't see that there is a big difference between a DUI and a home invasion with assault? With a DUI, you are fortunate not to hit someone/cause an accident while driving while under the influence. Once you do, it becomes a much more violent crime than home invasion with assault. Actually not a big difference.

Sometimes good people make a bad decision and have too many drinks and decide to drive. Good people do not make a bad judgment, break into someone's house, and assault someone.
Holy cow, don't know where to start with this. Because one crime is more acceptable or is committed more in society doesn't always make it better. So, it is just bad judgement to have too much to drink, get behind the wheel of a car, take that car out in public where there are other cars/pedestrians/mopeds with impending football stars, travel at 30, 40, 50, 60+ mph, and hope (fingers crossed!) you get to your destination safely? Hmmmm.

My point is that all kinds of people (good and bad) commit all kinds of crimes, and once the penalty has been served they are free to get on with their lives. Or did I wake up in Russia again?

 

[lvis79]

Fran definitely is not desperate, and he definitely would not just bring in someone who will be harmful to the team and the university. Fran is the type of coach who prides himself on doing things the right way, and if he believes in this kid so do I. I understand you may not like him because of what he did, but to say Fran doesn't care enough to pay attention to the character of players is just idiotic.

 

[azhawkphan]

I have no problem with people being high and mighty when it comes to someone who was arrested for armed robbery. People who get a DUI don't go out looking to hurt anyone. And no, not many of us could be 'ex-cons', that's a ridiculous statement. I wonder if someone were to break into your house with a gun while you're family was there, if you would feel the same way about him. I don't care if he can play basketball or not, I don't want this thug on our team.

People who get a DUI don't go out looking to hurt anyone? Debatable. Other than that your logic is flawless. These people who commit crimes, any crimes, should never be able to re-enter society. But if they do, just not in my/our neighborhood. You are right, people should not just be able to serve their punishment and re-enter society. Jail doesn't work, and man are they expensive. My solution is shut down all the jails, put a big electric fence up around Wyoming with HDTV cameras all over the place, move all current and future inmates here forever, they can fend for themselves so we don't have to pay for lodging/meals, and we can all watch them try to survive in HD! They would even be able to field some good basketball teams don't you think with all those thugs there. It will be just like the UNLV glory years. You with me?! Let's get this done. Wait, wasn't there a movie kinda like this?

 

[SpiderRico]

Yes I think anyone is convicted of armed robbery is a thug. Crazy, I know. If you have a problem with that, too bad. And Iowa doesn't pay Fran to be a good judge of character, they pay him to win basketball games, and obviously he's getting a little desperate with his recruiting efforts at this point.

There is so much FAIL in this post that it's not even worth hashing out.

What's the saying......"Ignorance is bliss"? If that's the case, you must be very blissful right now......Living in your whitebread world where all people convicted of a crime are thugs, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it......Where coaches aren't held accountable for the conduct of their players........Where ex-cons who have served their time and paid their debt to society don't deserve an opportunity to better themselves.

While you do that, the rest of us will live in a place called "Planet Earth" and realize that not everything is as it seems, that people deserve second chances and that sometimes, people do mature, learn from their mistakes, and can be valuable and contributing members of society.

 

[coonhawk]

There is so much FAIL in this post that it's not even worth hashing out.

What's the saying......"Ignorance is bliss"? If that's the case, you must be very blissful right now......Living in your whitebread world where all people convicted of a crime are thugs, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it......Where coaches aren't held accountable for the conduct of their players........Where ex-cons who have served their time and paid their debt to society don't deserve an opportunity to better themselves.

While you do that, the rest of us will live in a place called "Planet Earth" and realize that not everything is as it seems, that people deserve second chances and that sometimes, people do mature, learn from their mistakes, and can be valuable and contributing members of society.

I think your "Planet Earth" while it sounds like a great place is fictitious. There are very few good jobs if any that accept convicted felons. It will be manual labor for this kid if he can't hack it in B-Ball. Thug or not being stamped felon follows you wherever you go.

 

[MJSCK]

Bottom line . . . it's a risk. At this point in the rebuilding process, it's a risk worth taking.

But jeez, there sure seems to be a lot of judgmental people ready to say, "I told you so."

I hope Hubbard commits and succeeds to shove it up your judgmental a$$es -- you non-forgiving, holier than thou nutballs.

You're probably the same ones going to church every Sunday where you are supposed to learn about redemption, forgiveness and loving your brother . . . but for some reason, because you go to church, you think you're better than everyone. Weird.

I'm all for a second chance . . . maybe not a third but he seems to have proven worth of a second chance.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

I'm really confused as to how the Iowa fan base became so divided on Alford after the Pierre Pierce scandal? Obviously it was the right choice by Alford to give him a second chance and let him back on the team. By doing the right thing, he ended up with a bunch of self-righteous ******** ****** at him, some tough luck he had here.

 

[MJSCK]

I'm really confused as to how the Iowa fan base became so divided on Alford after the Pierre Pierce scandal? Obviously it was the right choice by Alford to give him a second chance and let him back on the team. By doing the right thing, he ended up with a bunch of self-righteous ******** ****** at him, some tough luck he had here.

It was a lot easier to come down harsh on Alford for the Pierce debacle because Alford was not a likeable dude. By the time Pierce was busted the second time, Alford had left a bad taste in people's mouths for a lot of other things.

Now if Hubbard was a convicted felon sex offender, we wouldn't be able to give him a second chance -- not with what's gone down with Satterfield, Everson and Pierce.

 

[hawkeye12345]

I'm really confused as to how the Iowa fan base became so divided on Alford after the Pierre Pierce scandal? Obviously it was the right choice by Alford to give him a second chance and let him back on the team. By doing the right thing, he ended up with a bunch of self-righteous ******** ****** at him, some tough luck he had here.

You have a very selective memory I guess.

PP raped a girl to get suspended. He plead guilty to assault causing injury. There was a huge uproar when he was let back on the team and a petition with several thousand signatures was given to BB and the UofI. The petition fell on deaf ears.

Some things can be brushed aside but rape is not one of them.

 

[NIUHawkeye]

The biggest difference between a DUI and home invasion/assualt can be summed up in one word....intention. When you purposefully break into someone's house and assault them, you knew what you were doing before you ever did it. When someone is driving drunk and hits someone, that was not their intention. I'm clearly not saying driving drunk is a good idea or acceptable. It's dangerous and ruins thousands of lives every single year.

What I'm saying is, someone who is an otherwise good person who makes good decisions can get behind the wheel after drinking too much and make a horrible mistake without ever intending to harm anyone. Someone who breaks into another person's house and assaults the home owner did so with that intention.