WestCoastHawk
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Someone would take the time to make an account with the name AnthonyHubbard, pay for a subscription to the site, just to post that? I mean, it's possible, but seems like a lot of work.
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tm3308
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You can get an account for the free boards on TOS. I've got an account on the Scout site, but I don't pay for insider info, it's just so I can check out the free forums. So it wouldn't be too much work for someone to do that.
WestCoastHawk
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I thought you had to pay to post...
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
This is accurate. Iowa City is hardly the only college sports town that puts athletes on a pedestal and is aware of their public moves.
Also, basketball players are more recognizable, in general, than football players are on college campuses because of the face time they get and there are fewer players...no helmets. And athletes are most recognizable on campus, among their peers...so Lincoln being bigger than Iowa City, as a city, doesn't matter as much in 2011 as perhaps in 1985 because of social media, phone cameras, the internet, etc.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
Re: What the heck are you talking about?
There is no doubt about this, and what he has going for himself in this regard is he is 25 years old, has had a lot of time to think about his past actions, rectify those and while 25 is not 45 in maturity, he's seen a lot more than most 25 year olds, has had things we take for granted taken away from him, therefore may have a greater appreciation for doing things the right way, knowing his margin for error is more narrow than most.
When I was 25, while I still was going out with friends (and had my own immaturity issues with that), I certainly wasn't going to college house parties or looking to date coeds.
While I can understand some folks being leery of Hubbard's past, I think some of the rationale in this post applies anywhere he goes and Iowa City is not going to be all that different from any other destination.
If you are not into the Ped Mall and party scene, Iowa City is a pretty good place to lie low and get the job done.
There is no doubt about this, and what he has going for himself in this regard is he is 25 years old, has had a lot of time to think about his past actions, rectify those and while 25 is not 45 in maturity, he's seen a lot more than most 25 year olds, has had things we take for granted taken away from him, therefore may have a greater appreciation for doing things the right way, knowing his margin for error is more narrow than most.
When I was 25, while I still was going out with friends (and had my own immaturity issues with that), I certainly wasn't going to college house parties or looking to date coeds.
While I can understand some folks being leery of Hubbard's past, I think some of the rationale in this post applies anywhere he goes and Iowa City is not going to be all that different from any other destination.
If you are not into the Ped Mall and party scene, Iowa City is a pretty good place to lie low and get the job done.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
I am not saying Iowa has to be the place to give him a second chance, but goodness there is some high and mighty going around. Many of us posting here could easily be 'ex-cons' but for the fact we didn't get caught. I know that I could have been busted for DUI numerous times...I was busted once, at 19...and didn't learn from that. Numerous DUI's can land you in prison. I am guessing a number of folks can say the same thing here.
As for the 'we're not ISU' stuff, people should drop that. It's like a tide..it ebbs and flows and one side gets all uppity when things are going bad or done a certain way at the other school, but rest assured the tide is gonna flow back onto your beach at some point and time.
While I tend to agree with you and I have no problem with anybody recruiting Hubbard, I just don't think your example is applicable. I am actually somebody who can say I have never driven and had any worry about getting a DUI. I walked miles back to my apartment in college if I'd drank at all if I couldn't find a ride right away. That said, there is something different about getting a DUI and making a bad decision after having a few too many and attempting to burgle somebody's house and assaulting somebody during a home invasion. It's just not a comparable situation.
rodg12
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They're also more recognizable due to their size. Not every day you see guys 6'5", 6'6", 6'7", etc walking around.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
I'd u go to prison for DUI an are released at a later date, you are an ex-con. If you have never broken a law, props. I am guessing most have and have not been arrested
Again, this ain't carte blanche saying this kid is a must get or Iowa has to be the second chance school. But there are labels getting thrown around amidst at least some degrees of hypocrisy.
Again, this ain't carte blanche saying this kid is a must get or Iowa has to be the second chance school. But there are labels getting thrown around amidst at least some degrees of hypocrisy.
tm3308
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This. Athletes at Iowa stick out like a sore thumb. They either completely decked out in Nike gear, or they're a football player with a backpack that has either an Orange Bowl or Insight Bowl patch on it. Very easy to spot.
HawkeyeMike23
Banned
I have no problem with people being high and mighty when it comes to someone who was arrested for armed robbery. People who get a DUI don't go out looking to hurt anyone. And no, not many of us could be 'ex-cons', that's a ridiculous statement. I wonder if someone were to break into your house with a gun while you're family was there, if you would feel the same way about him. I don't care if he can play basketball or not, I don't want this thug on our team.
SirJamaLot
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Great point Jon, careful what you preach it could come back to haunt you, I'm all for giving Hubbard a 2nd chance with him knowing he doesn't get a third, it would be a great story if he could turn his life around and become a productive citizen again
SpiderRico
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Seriously, you need to get off your high horse.
The man did his time and paid his debt to society. That's how our justice system works.
If everyone thought the way you did, no one who ever did time would be able to get a job or support himself. So get over yourself.
Does Iowa need to be the place that gives him another shot? Maybe, maybe not.
But here's the deal.......The recidivism rates for ex-cons in the first year is extremely high. However, once that first year has passed and they have not committed another crime, then the chances of them committing again are about the same percent as the general population. Hubbard has been out and clean for two years and by all accounts has been a model citizen, so the chance that he would commit something again are really no different than any other athlete we would recruit.
Plus, keep this in mind. Fran is making over $1M per year right now. If Hubbard were to come to Iowa and commit something similar to what he did when he was a teenager, Fran would be fired immediately. Do you really think Fran would take that chance if he wasn't extremely convinced that Hubbard poses little risk in that regard?
I also find it amusing when Ferentz complains about the media and fans on message boards say "If we're not careful, he'll go to the NFL." If anyone thinks the Iowa sports media is tough...
That post is gone, by the way.
NIUHawkeye
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Jon, come on. You honestly can't see that there is a big difference between a DUI and a home invasion with assault? There's a huge difference there. One would be a violent crime, the other would be a poor judgement crime. Very big difference.
Sometimes good people make a bad decision and have too many drinks and decide to drive. Good people do not make a bad judgment, break into someone's house, and assault someone.
I'd be leary about taking this kid on the team as well. It's not being high and mighty, or thinking you are better than someone. It's just not necesarry to add what could be seen as a violent criminal to a young basketball team.
Section136
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Thats terrible reasoning. So now theres a difference between a "good criminal" and a "bad criminal"?
His incident was 8 years ago I believe. I would have no problem giving him a chance here.
HawkeyeMike23
Banned
You're right. Murder, public intox, whatever, it's all the same.
Section136
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Haha, not what I said. The poster I was responding to made it sound like good people can screw up, make a mistake and get a OWI. No way a good person can screw up, make a mistake and break into someones house. Only bad people do that. I disagree with that.
