ssckelley
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I've got you down for not liking the bowls, you have been on this for a month (probably longer). It's time to let it go, you can get back on this platform in 11 months.
Here we go again...the bowl system is a mess
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I've got you down for not liking the bowls, you have been on this for a month (probably longer). It's time to let it go, you can get back on this platform in 11 months.
deanvogs
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I've got you down for not liking the bowls, you have been on this for a month (probably longer). It's time to let it go, you can get back on this platform in 11 months.
The genie is out of the bottle. Playoffs have started and need to be expanded, and that will capture the ratings again. Can you imagine 4 college football playoff games on Jan 1st??? Most people are off work, and rating would be off the charts. Playing the playoff games on New Years Eve was just beyond stupid.
Also does anyone think that the playoffs would be "watered down" if Stanford, IOwa, OSU and ND were in them as well? OSU and Stanford could very well win the whole damn thing, and as we saw in the Bama vs MSU game blowouts can happen.....even when it was just #1 vs #2 blowout happen.
Knight78
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DIII has a 32 team playoff for 239 teams. DII has a 28 team playoff (top team in each bracket gets a bye) for 167 teams. FCS has a 24 team playoff (top 2 teams in each bracket get a bye) for 122 teams. NAIA has a 16 team playoff for 85 teams. Since there are 120 teams in FBS, perhaps we should have more teams in the playoffs?
deanvogs
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Um, who cares what DIII and DII do? This is about D1 college football. With the greater parody now a #6 or #7 ranked team like OSU or Stanford could easily have won the championship if let in. I don't see why people are freaked out about letting teams settle it on the field vs trying to just say one team or the other is better.
Seth53
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Scheduling the playoffs the day before the rest of the bowls had been played is like having the Stones warm up for Asia.
Move the "big" bowls back a day, showcase the playoffs the day *after* that.
And for heaven's sake B1G, three 'bigger games' (Outback, Citrus, Fiesta) cannibalized national viewership by being on basically at the same time....no other league does that....who signed that dumb deal?
Move the "big" bowls back a day, showcase the playoffs the day *after* that.
And for heaven's sake B1G, three 'bigger games' (Outback, Citrus, Fiesta) cannibalized national viewership by being on basically at the same time....no other league does that....who signed that dumb deal?
Seth53
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I've got you down for not liking the bowls, you have been on this for a month (probably longer). It's time to let it go, you can get back on this platform in 11 months.
I never said that in that broad-brush tone. Never. But they could be so much more meaningful and watchable.
What I've said is:
Make 7-5/.500 conference the standard for eligibility
Don't hold the playoffs *before* any other bowl games
Can't we say, instead of the Dog-Poop Music City Bowl, or Dog Poop Bowl...title the bowls as the Music City bowl sponsored by Dog-poop. Etc.
Raise the standards. Weed out the dog poop. Make the bowl games mean something again.
BigD
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Lol, I like it. They could even start their own league together. We will called it "The non-paid players SEC League."
Seth53
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Lol, I like it. They could even start their own league together. We will called it "The non-paid players SEC League."
I'd call it the insignificant Iowa State league.
ArvadaHawk
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40 bowl games is too many, in my opinion. I understand the bowl game allows a community to reap some revenue, but when have sub .500 teams playing, you have to wondering if the spirit of the bowl game idea hasn't been compromised. Why not let all teams practice up to a week before the first bowl game and cut back the number of bowl games. I remember how much fun it was when it was ESPN's Bowl Week. Now, it's a month long string of meaningless games that participating schools are having a difficult time in selling their ticket allotments. Really, what is the benefit of having so many bowl games, against the backdrop of bowl games having real meaning and being a reward for being an excellent team?
sirfarmsalot
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HawkeyeWalker
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It's too much about money/sponsors only now, which is unfortunate. 40 bowls is about 10 too many. I was on the fence on .500 teams getting in, but understood the reasoning.
5-7 teams getting in is ridiculous. That means what, 1-2 conference wins? Ugh.
I do think the CFP needs to go to 8 teams, like immediately. It will further water down bowl games, but anything outside of the top 10-15 bowl games has meant very little to anyone outside of the teams and fanbases that play in them (outside of a few "interesting" matchups).
5-7 teams getting in is ridiculous. That means what, 1-2 conference wins? Ugh.
I do think the CFP needs to go to 8 teams, like immediately. It will further water down bowl games, but anything outside of the top 10-15 bowl games has meant very little to anyone outside of the teams and fanbases that play in them (outside of a few "interesting" matchups).
hawkeyebob62
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Not difficult to solve.
Top 12 teams are in mix. Top 8 make CFP.
MAX 64 post-season teams. Teams 13-64 play in bowls between 12/15-12/28. NO bowls after this date.
Use NY6 bowls plus a few of the upper-echelon bowls of tradition-past.
12/24: Two playoff games (utilizing NY6/upper-echelon mix) NO other games allowed!
12/25: Two playoff games, same conditions as above.
12/31: Two bowl games featuring teams 9-12. No other games allowed, giving these 4 some "spotlight cred".
1/1: Two semifinal games
7-10 days later: Championship game.
Non-P5 teams eligible provided: they feature a CCG OR they play 2 P5 teams (still need to earn ranking, of course). Notre Dame either joins a P5 conference OR they must have BOTH 2 wins over a P5 CCG winner or division champ AND have LESS than 2 losses. 2nd loss knocks them out unless/until they join a p5 conference.
Other: No games against FCS teams EXCEPT against a team from same state once every 3 years. Play UNI this year, fine. Play them again before the 3rd year, NOT eligible for CFP.
In conferences with 10 teams or more, MUST play 9-game schedule. Must have CCG.
In 9-game conference schedule, non-conference games must include one P5.
Top 12 teams are in mix. Top 8 make CFP.
MAX 64 post-season teams. Teams 13-64 play in bowls between 12/15-12/28. NO bowls after this date.
Use NY6 bowls plus a few of the upper-echelon bowls of tradition-past.
12/24: Two playoff games (utilizing NY6/upper-echelon mix) NO other games allowed!
12/25: Two playoff games, same conditions as above.
12/31: Two bowl games featuring teams 9-12. No other games allowed, giving these 4 some "spotlight cred".
1/1: Two semifinal games
7-10 days later: Championship game.
Non-P5 teams eligible provided: they feature a CCG OR they play 2 P5 teams (still need to earn ranking, of course). Notre Dame either joins a P5 conference OR they must have BOTH 2 wins over a P5 CCG winner or division champ AND have LESS than 2 losses. 2nd loss knocks them out unless/until they join a p5 conference.
Other: No games against FCS teams EXCEPT against a team from same state once every 3 years. Play UNI this year, fine. Play them again before the 3rd year, NOT eligible for CFP.
In conferences with 10 teams or more, MUST play 9-game schedule. Must have CCG.
In 9-game conference schedule, non-conference games must include one P5.
Seth53
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Winner.
HawkeyeWalker
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I like all of this. But someone is going to have to turn down sponsors money from 8 companies....and therein lies the problem and why we are where we are. $ rules all, and it's the same reason the gold helmeted Irish haven't joined a conf.
The B1G, 9 in conference games will help, but all conf need to do it. It also negates some of the advantage of scheduling a FCS team in OOC.
It's talked about a lot here, but one SOS strike against Iowa almost every year is that one of the P5 schools we play is almost always regarded as one of the weakest. If isu was even a .500 team most years, it would help a ton, and it wouldn't hurt us so bad when we lose the game. I personally am not for getting rid of a long standing in state rivalry game, but as it is its a lose/not win scenario regarding SOS. Basically, that game gets the same cred as playing an average Mac school or really good FCS school.
I don't hate isu as some do here, as I don't have to deal with many of their fans in Omaha (trust me, nebby fans are far more insufferable). But if you ever hear a isu fan comment on how we were overrated and only were in the CFP hunt due to SOS....if that is true....then it's a lot the fault of having to play a perennial 3-4 win isu.
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deanvogs
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Agreed Seth. They need to scrap the whole system.
1) Go to a 8 team playoffs with next week being "play in week". 5 conference championship games, + 3 at large play in games. All playoff teams have to play that 13th game....no bye week bullshit like OSU is gonna get this year.
2) Two weeks after Conference championship week have the 1st round of 8 team playoff
3) Jan 1st final 4 playoff games
4) 7-10 after that championship game
5) Only the top 64 teams play in bowl games (Right now it is 80).
6) Allow all teams to continue to practice through the end of the Christmas (So if you get knocked out early or are a bad team you can practice)
1) Go to a 8 team playoffs with next week being "play in week". 5 conference championship games, + 3 at large play in games. All playoff teams have to play that 13th game....no bye week bullshit like OSU is gonna get this year.
2) Two weeks after Conference championship week have the 1st round of 8 team playoff
3) Jan 1st final 4 playoff games
4) 7-10 after that championship game
5) Only the top 64 teams play in bowl games (Right now it is 80).
6) Allow all teams to continue to practice through the end of the Christmas (So if you get knocked out early or are a bad team you can practice)
hawkeyes87
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So ccg losers are out of the mix, but 6 teams that didn't make a ccg are in?
And, 3) s/b "final 2"
deanvogs
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Shhhh, don't tell anyone but it is actually just a 16 team playoff. So yeah, you lose first game you out.
hawkeyes87
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Ah, I get it now.
I'd rather keep it at 4.
But if it did expand, I'd take the 4 highest-rated ccg winners ( so a weak conference winner isn't in ) plus the 4 highest others ( which could include ccg losers ).
