Here we go again...the bowl system is a mess

hawkeyes87 said:
Ah, I get it now.

I'd rather keep it at 4.

But if it did expand, I'd take the 4 highest-rated ccg winners ( so a weak conference winner isn't in ) plus the 4 highest others ( which could include ccg losers ).
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I just have a problem with the blue bloods owning the 4 team playoffs. OSU has proven everything that is wrong with it in the short time it has been around.

No way OSU jumps a 1 loss Oklahoma/Texas......but they jumped Baylor/TCU

Now a 1 loss OSU is a lock for the playoffs, and they won't even win their division or have to play in a CCG. I'd much rather watch 8 or 10 (B1G east, B1G West, etc) small division determine 10 of the teams that make it, then 6 at large for teams like OSU who deserve it, but didn't win their division. Plus I think this would lead to a lot more big time non conference games, as losing them you still have a good path to the playoffs.
 
And with eight in the playoffs, seed the teams.
Higher seeded teams get a home game for the opening round.
Keeps the money on campus, and is a tangible reward for the teams to play for throughout the year.
And is definitely a reward for the faithful fans.
 
Seth53 said:
And with eight in the playoffs, seed the teams.
Higher seeded teams get a home game for the opening round.
Keeps the money on campus, and is a tangible reward for the teams to play for throughout the year.
And is definitely a reward for the faithful fans.
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The only problem with campus games is you'd be like the NFL often is - "You might be a good team but can you prove it when it's 25 degrees and snowing?" You get Hawkeye-style games - conservative, avoid mistakes ( aka, boring football ).

And, those games would be played a month before signing day. You think the southern schools would make sure recruits saw those frozen northern games?
 
hawkeyes87 said:
The only problem with campus games is you'd be like the NFL often is - "You might be a good team but can you prove it when it's 25 degrees and snowing?" You get Hawkeye-style games - conservative, avoid mistakes ( aka, boring football ).

And, those games would be played a month before signing day. You think the southern schools would make sure recruits saw those frozen northern games?
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It's an outdoor game, and frankly I'm tired of these souther teams built for souther weather ALWAYS having an advantage. Let them pussies come up here and play when it's cold. Look at Texas Tech a couple weeks ago against ISU, they did not want to be in Iowa in Nov., not for one second.
 
The entire bowl system is a joke. In no way does the college football system make any sense. Boy it would suck if an entire slate of FBS playoff football was set to kickoff next weekend or in 2 weeks.
 
With the advent of the playoff system, the bowl cartel *had* to understand their worth, outside of the fan base playing in their games, took a permanent nosedive.

Bowls no longer determine national championships. Obviously the playoff does.

The top bowls (Rose, Sugar, etc) which used to mean something are now regulated to mere consolation prizes, a side show where everybody puts on their best game face, but deep down, know they are missing out on the "show." That group probably took the biggest prestige hit.

The mid bowls didn't suffer as much IMO as they were always for 'good' teams whose NC aspirations died sometime in October. Still watchable entertainment as those teams have winning records.

But even with the evidence clearly in their grill, the cartel keeps insisting on sustaining a dying enterprise with FORTY bowl games. By playing the cash-grab game and positioning sub .500 teams to play in no-nothing bowls clearly shows their desperation. And diluting the grand enterprise known as college football. Sad, really.
 
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So having said that how does one talk sense into these Chamber of Commerce types who believe sponsoring a bowl game with 6-6 & 5-7 teams is going to be their shot at the proverbial pot of gold?
 
Seth53 said:
With the advent of the playoff system, the bowl cartel *had* to understand their worth, outside of the fan base playing in their games, took a permanent nosedive.

Bowls no longer determine national championships. Obviously the playoff does.

The top bowls (Rose, Sugar, etc) which used to mean something are now regulated to mere consolation prizes, a side show where everybody puts on their best game face, but deep down, know they are missing out on the "show." That group probably took the biggest prestige hit.

The mid bowls didn't suffer as much IMO as they were always for 'good' teams whose NC aspirations died sometime in October. Still watchable entertainment as those teams have winning records.

But even with the evidence clearly in their grill, the cartel keeps insisting on sustaining a dying enterprise with FORTY bowl games. By playing the cash-grab game and positioning sub .500 teams to play in no-nothing bowls clearly shows their desperation. And diluting the grand enterprise known as college football. Sad, really.
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So just do away with all bowl games, then. That would hearken back to the days of old.
 
Reality check. Bowls were and have always been creatures of commerce. From the beginning they were established to attract tourists to their respective fair cities. An exhibition game ! they thought, will attract people who will rent rooms and buy meals.

now we have TV added to the mix, People like to see interesting match ups on TV. Brands matter now for TV is king. The number of fans that travel are nice, but probably not as important to the bowl people as it was to the chamber of commerce.

People just expect too much from bowl games. Apart from playoffs, its not entirely about Merit. Just get over that notion.
 
NCHawker said:
Reality check. Bowls were and have always been creatures of commerce. From the beginning they were established to attract tourists to their respective fair cities. An exhibition game ! they thought, will attract people who will rent rooms and buy meals.

now we have TV added to the mix, People like to see interesting match ups on TV. Brands matter now for TV is king. The number of fans that travel are nice, but probably not as important to the bowl people as it was to the chamber of commerce.

People just expect too much from bowl games. Apart from playoffs, its not entirely about Merit. Just get over that notion.
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Bowl games which have sub .500 teams, and .500 teams for that matter, have little if any merit.
 
SmokeTownHawk said:
So having said that how does one talk sense into these Chamber of Commerce types who believe sponsoring a bowl game with 6-6 & 5-7 teams is going to be their shot at the proverbial pot of gold?
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Winner....good point.

And sadly, the aforementioned Chamber's have no regard for the grand enterprise of college football outside of putting some money into their coffers. Quality be damned...."will that be cash or credit today sir?"
 
I do like the current bowl system and I do worry a 8 team playoff would ruin it. But I like the idea that the first round was treated as an extension of the regular season and played the week after the conference championship games at the home stadium of the lower seed. Then the semi finals would be played at one of the bowl sites and pretty much everything else stays the same. The losers of that first round would still be eligible to accept a bowl bid.
 
http://www.sbnation.com/a/bowl-games-schedule-2016

Playing any bowl game after the NC semi's is just dumb.

Well, hey, welcome ABBA to the same stage after the Stones get done playing.

And as far as the entire landscape, guess I'll add some more data:


Number of bowl berths available: 80
Number of bowl-eligible teams: 75
Number of conditional bowl-eligible teams: 3 (Army, Hawaii, South Alabama)
Number of teams qualified by APR: 2 (North Texas, Mississippi State)

  1. ^ Army is 6–5 with two wins over Football Championship Subdivision opponents. Only one such win counts toward official bowl eligibility. Army is conditionally bowl eligible and will play in a bowl game as there will be unfilled bowl berths, and will be officially bowl eligible if they win vs. Navy.
  2. ^ Hawaii played 13 games (6–7), and thus has already qualified for the Hawaii Bowl because they hold priority over 5–7 teams.

"Conditionally bowl eligible" What?
"Hold priority over 5-7 teams" What?

Keep lowering the standards. Yesirreee.....
 
ssckelley said:
I do like the current bowl system and I do worry a 8 team playoff would ruin it. But I like the idea that the first round was treated as an extension of the regular season and played the week after the conference championship games at the home stadium of the lower seed. Then the semi finals would be played at one of the bowl sites and pretty much everything else stays the same. The losers of that first round would still be eligible to accept a bowl bid.
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It is soooooo simple, makes tooooo much sense for these idiots to get it right though. Everything else can stay the same. You get all the conference champions in, you add an extra week of college football with 4 premium games. Then everything else stays the same.

I think the real problem is the NCAA wants to limit access. I think they fear that they can't control who gets in then. They want to say that 2 years ago that "conference championships matter" to let OSU in over Baylor/TCU, and then turn around 2 years later and say "best 4 teams" and "conference championships don't matter" to let OSU in over others. It is a sham, they want the control, and the lapdogs just eat it up every last year.
 
deanvogs said:
It is soooooo simple, makes tooooo much sense for these idiots to get it right though. Everything else can stay the same. You get all the conference champions in, you add an extra week of college football with 4 premium games. Then everything else stays the same.

I think the real problem is the NCAA wants to limit access. I think they fear that they can't control who gets in then. They want to say that 2 years ago that "conference championships matter" to let OSU in over Baylor/TCU, and then turn around 2 years later and say "best 4 teams" and "conference championships don't matter" to let OSU in over others. It is a sham, they want the control, and the lapdogs just eat it up every last year.
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I just think it would be a shame to ruin the current bowl system. I get there are too many of them but even the crappy bowls I enjoy watching. Every game is like a championship game to these young players so they put it all on the line so one of the teams can hoist a trophy at the end. I think this is the biggest hang up for the NCAA, those bowls generate a lot of TV revenue. The only other hang up in the extra week is we forget these players are also students and adding an extra week of practices and a game would be tough as they are also going through mid terms.
 
The committee changes their rules every year to get who they WANT in the final 4...it was shown when TCU dropped from 3 to 7 after blasting a team by 50 because of no conference champion ship game...it was shown this year when all they did before was complain how BAD teams did their OOC schedules but Washington gets in with the 2nd WORST in the world...those 12 people are a joke and there needs to be specific rules in place so they stop hosing teams.
 
Hawk4Fan said:
The committee changes their rules every year to get who they WANT in the final 4...it was shown when TCU dropped from 3 to 7 after blasting a team by 50 because of no conference champion ship game...it was shown this year when all they did before was complain how BAD teams did their OOC schedules but Washington gets in with the 2nd WORST in the world...those 12 people are a joke and there needs to be specific rules in place so they stop hosing teams.
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Yep, but many just lap up their shit each and every year.
 
theboat said:
Then don't watch
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I don't. You must be quite young. Back in the day it used to be an honor to go to a bowl game. Top teams got selected. Now it's just a continuation of the season so that certain groups, cities, etc. can earn the extra $$.

Now it's just diluted and makes the regular season even more less important.
 
bcl20 said:
You get punished for being terrible by going to no bowl. You get punished for mediocrity by going to an embarrassing bowl (lol Nebraska) The bowl system has been diluted for years and every one knows what bowls master and what ones don't. The rest can be ignored if no one cares or can be watched of you do.

The sanctity of sport isn't being destroyed over this ****.
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Agree to an extent. Well stated. Times have changed. Now we know the playoffs is the place to be or the handful of top notch bowl games. There's a pecking order.
 
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