Ben Rumson
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Funny., think if Fran had some defense and Kirk had some offense where both programs would be. Talk about two different sports with opposite glaring issues creating the same headaches to us fans.
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NorthKCHawk
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I don't disagree that the West stunk for a decade and KF benefitted from that. That has been discussed ad nauseum. That said, KF took advantage of his situation better than the other 6 teams in the division. He also dominated an ISU program during this time period that was competitive in the Little 12. He played the schedule in front of him and did better than his peers.
The question is who is best situated to get Iowa to the next level--a level where there is not such a gap with Michigan and OSU? KF with a dominant D and STs and with a new OC, or random replacement Coach McGee?
WHEN Iowa has had competent QB play and competent offense as a whole, Iowa has been competitive with the big boys. So, I have more faith in KF stumbling into a competent OC than rolling the dice on tearing it all down and starting over with a new and unknown coach.
NCHawker
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those teams like LSU, Oklahoma, Arizona, Washington, Oregon, WSU,
Look nobody is saying to throw the ball the majority of the time. What everyone believes is that new ideas are important.
Playing good D is possible while playing good offense. - not sure Kirk believes that though.
Dadman
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It is just amusing to me. This burn the house down reaction. After tOSU lost, there was a OS forum just like this, maybe a bit worse actually. What we wouldn’t give to have the bucknuts recent record……
I mean, we were what we were this year. Even with Cade version .5 we looked to have a terrible offense. Deacon just wasn’t the answer with the depleted offense. Don’t think he was the answer with a great offense either. Our vaunted defense was not at the previous year level, I think they just had enough. There is no way that our pathetic offense did not have residual effect on the defense.
Our uncertainty at offense is distraction enough. Perhaps the new OC will help. But firing KF? I am not sure that more than a few of the members of this forum will live long enough to see us recover from a drastic overhaul all at once. I am in that group. I was at pre-fry Iowa when we were nearing the end of our 20 year losing streak. Many of you have no idea how bad it can get…..
Does that mean I am happy with the past few years, even with our vaunted 10 wins this year, this was one of the most mind numbing frustrating seasons I have watched in a long time. Maybe there were 10 wins. Felt like half that many to be honest.
But let’s roll with KF for a bit yet…..change is coming at many levels. I sincerely hope it is the change most of us want.
I mean, we were what we were this year. Even with Cade version .5 we looked to have a terrible offense. Deacon just wasn’t the answer with the depleted offense. Don’t think he was the answer with a great offense either. Our vaunted defense was not at the previous year level, I think they just had enough. There is no way that our pathetic offense did not have residual effect on the defense.
Our uncertainty at offense is distraction enough. Perhaps the new OC will help. But firing KF? I am not sure that more than a few of the members of this forum will live long enough to see us recover from a drastic overhaul all at once. I am in that group. I was at pre-fry Iowa when we were nearing the end of our 20 year losing streak. Many of you have no idea how bad it can get…..
Does that mean I am happy with the past few years, even with our vaunted 10 wins this year, this was one of the most mind numbing frustrating seasons I have watched in a long time. Maybe there were 10 wins. Felt like half that many to be honest.
But let’s roll with KF for a bit yet…..change is coming at many levels. I sincerely hope it is the change most of us want.
Bigtenchamp
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oh god the "look what happened after tom davis argument"?
The galactic excuse for eternal mediocrity.
I watched bout 10 min of the bowl game. 10 min of my life that i wasted.
Exactly. It's not who you fire. It's who you hire to replace the one fired.
Although the jury is still out, Beth Goetz may very well be the best AD at Iowa since Bump Elliott.
My man, KF isn't changing after 25 years of the same ole conservative offense.
The Missouri Tigers played very good defense and offense this year. It is indeed possible to do as you stated.
But as you also said, you're not sure if KF believes this. By the results of the past 25 years, that belief is pretty much warranted.
NorthKCHawk
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Fine, how about Nebraska firing Solich because Nebraska was falling behind Texas. 11 wins a year was not good enough. How did that work out? They went from a national powerhouse to a national joke in a generation. There are a lot more Frosts and Rileys out there than Dabos and Sarks.
And you and I define mediocrity much, much differently. 10 wins is mediocre? Really? Kirk Ferentz has been anything but mediocre in his time at Iowa. He has fallen short of making the playoffs, but beyond that, he has been a consistent winner. If Nattie's are your measuring stick, by a Roll Tide shirt.
Who is winning in the NFL right now duel threat QBs see ravens for example.
Dadman
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I don’t disagree with your statement but KF is 68 and change is coming……maybe he is just waiting until he is 70 so he can max out his SS payment……
The choice of OC may tell us something and then again it may have the same impact as a fart in a windstorm
How about Schembechler retiring?
I believe Kirk was better than .500 against Moeller, Carr, Rodriguez, and Hoke...cumulatively.
Same for Joe Pa's ouster. Kirk was .500 against PSU until this year.
Probably the only coaches with a big enough data set and a winning record against Kirk is Alvarez and effing Pat Fitzgerald.....and any OSU coach.
And don't get me started on "natties" being the measuring stick.
There's only 9 teams that have won more than one national title since 1970 AND have won one in the last 21 years.
Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson, OSU, FSU, Florida, Texas, USC
If you go back more than 21 years you can add multiple winners of:
Miami (2001) Oklahoma (2000), Nebraska (1997), Notre Dame (Madonna was still hot?), PSU (1994)
I bet most of us would agree that AT LEAST 2 of these are not like the others.
8 teams have won one. Only Auburn has won one within 20 years..
Tennessee (1998), Michigan (1997), Washington (1991)
I'm tossing out Pitt, GA Tech, BYU, Colorado
So if "natties" and somewhat recent 'natties' paired with year-in year-out consistency is your measureing stick........
Roll Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson, OSU, FSU, Florida, Texas, USC
And maybe: Miami, Oklahoma, Tennesse, and Michigan.
Honorable mentions: PSU
There's probably a few in there that could be argued off the list, but most have been pretty consistently involved in top 25 rankings.
That's it. 10-15 teams. Period. And a whole lot that wouldn't even make the non title winning, consistent winner bubble.
Bigtenchamp
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"nattie" nah how about just a conference championship?
I think the last won was 20 years ago.
Is 10 wins mediocre? Not typically but it's all relevant to the level of competition you play.
We barely beat average teams - then when we played ranked teams 0-92 score.
I think when you put everything together - yes, we are a medicore team.
If you blindly judge by pure wins and losses that's another thing.
Northside Hawk
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With our Deffense/Special Teams the past three years all he needed from his offense was one or two plays a game (Williams long TD run vs Wisconsin for example)
All he needed from the offense was to protect the ball and Hill failed miserably, and was getting worse. Interestingly our D was also way down this year in terms of taking the ball.
Our D and special teams will probably take a step backward next year due to graduation and personnel losses.. With the west coast teams coming in next year scores in the teens won't cut it..
If I can see that as a middle-aged overweight beer guzzling jimoke, someone who is getting paid top dollar for such observations has to see it.
I think off season plans ro improve the offense has been an afterthoughts since Stanley left. It has to be top priority now, even if it pushes the outer boundaries of Kirk's comfort zone.
Northside Hawk
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Michigan wore them down physically. They had a big edge once it went OT
Northside Hawk
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Agree to an extent, especially the top in state talent getting poached by Roy Dub, but not the statement on the conference getting better. B1G was top heavy with Izzo winning it all in 2000 and Davis at Indiana coming close two years later, and Weber at Illinois in 2005. But it bottomed out quickly once you got past two or three very good teams. B1G as a whole was in a major state of Flux during the late Davis/Alford years which is why
1) Iowa was always a threat in the conference tournament under Alford
2) his teams were NIT participants or early NCAA exits.
A lot of legendary conference coaching icons bade farewell from roughly 1995-2005 and some geared their programs back up slower than others. Also, talent from Midwestern metro areas such as Chicago and Detroit was getting scooped up nationally as the AAU era hit the boom stage.
By the way late era Davis non Cons included Kansas, Arkansas, Duke and UConn. Far from awful.
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Northside Hawk
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I was in too rough of shape to do much of anything else. Probably deserved it.
Finally worked out at my local gym about 4:30 to salvage something from the day.
Larry Legend
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Points well taken, I was thinking it would be nice to wake up and have that "unknown" factor, as compared to you know exactly what you're getting now and taking the temperature of all these posts, it's a little hot. KF is not adaptable in game, and he recruits that way, will not recruit to what's going on, on the field, he recruits to fit his offensive philosophy, e. g. I think I read earlier in the year, the wide receivers coach came out and said, "if you're a wide receiver and you want allot of touches, Iowa is not the place for you", I am in sales, like me saying on the first meeting, "you really don't want to buy this do you?".
Ben Rumson
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No argument there, just surprised Bama ran in the teeth of a stacked Michigan box . But my main point was in both those games I mentioned it seemed like offense for Bama and Georgia was kind of blah. I'm sure game was dictating it though.
trj
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Why do you even care? You guys are about to run the Big 12 with Oklahoma and Texas leaving.
