herkyattack
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Who cares what their non con SOS was rated? They didn't beat any of those good teams. I think 23 of their wins were against RPI 150+
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Who cares what their non con SOS was rated? They didn't beat any of those good teams. I think 23 of their wins were against RPI 150+
tm3308
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I honestly don't get the emphasis on the OOC schedule. Who cares if you have the #6 OOC schedule when your full schedule is #135? I don't understand what difference it makes if a team has an "elite" OOC schedule and an absolute garbage conference slate, or a garbage OOC schedule and a very strong conference slate.
If you're considering the entire body of work, it really shouldn't matter which you have. Iowa's overall schedule was tougher, just like So Miss (#66), UMass (73), Kentucky (76), Tennessee (51), Alabama (84), and Baylor (23). I don't give a damn what MTSU's OOC schedule was. They went 1-3 against the top 100, and play in a pathetically awful conference that was so bad, it pulled a #6 SOS for games through December 21 all the way down to #135 at the end of the year.
They didn't deserve a bid.
BlacknGold19
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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
clicheusername3
Banned
Wow this thread is pretty pathetic. Let's blame MTSU for getting picked, that makes sense.
tm3308
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That was almost so stupid it didn't warrant a response. I suppose it would be better to blame the committee (which is what people are doing, btw). Better yet, it would be better to blame the committee and not provide any evidence to support that complaint.
clicheusername3
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"I'm thoroughly pleased that they didn't make it out of the "first round"."
Yes it seems that you are certainly blaming the committee. Why would you say this if you didn't have some kind of vitriolic feelings towards MTSU?
1977Hawkeye
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The point is that MTSU was a mediocre team that "looked good" on the strength of 23 150+ RPI wins, and better teams got left out.
MTSU got all this credit for "going out and testing themselves" while Iowa got blasted for a weak non-conference SOS, despite the fact that MTSU's overall SOS was actually worse than Iowa's.
83Hawk
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What difference should it make playing a "tough" non-conference schedule if you lose those games? Make zero sense.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
No one is blaming MTSU.
The point is their inclusion by the committee was a joke - Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, Virginia, et al were better teams than MTSU.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
To show that the committee made a mistake, I think that's fairly obvious.
I doubt they made a mistake. For whatever reason they wanted other teams in before Iowa. I doubt they really thought the other teams were better than Iowa. Bowlsby , ect. were on the committee. It had a lot more to do with politics than basketball. They don't have to answer to anyone for their agendas.
This thread has gotten really dumb as have many on this board lately....
The goal of the NCAA is not to get the best 68 teams in the tournament. If it was you would not allow any of the crappy small conference tournament winnners in the tournament. People are being so dumb around here they can't even grasp this common sense fact from the start. If you want to start your argument by saying the NCAA tournamet is complete garbage I can agree with you. Hell I would only let like 12 -20 teams in and play like a 3-5 game series or something like that if I was interested in crowing the truly best team in the country.
On to people being dumb and complaining about MTSU. Well I am sure they would gladly switch spots with Iowa and play in the Big 10 so they actually played in a good conference and had a good SOS. How in the heck do you expect any of these small conference teams to have a good SOS? They are not going to because the teams in their conference are bad. Their only shot at having any sort of OK SOS is to schedule really hard in the non conference. How may wins do you expect them to get on the road in preseason playing at good teams home court. They play in bad conference so they don't get a shot a recruiting as good players as power conference teams as well. I mean who the heck did Iowa beat on a neutral/away court that was a really solid team? Don't say UNI or Western Kentucky becasue they are OK but nothing special.
This whole argument is just dumb honestly.
Everyone knows MTSU is not as good as Iowa. The goal is not to get the best teams in.
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I stated this on my first post, but the reason Iowa isn't in the NCAA is because of MTSU.
St. Mary's is a good team and have only lost to Gonzaga, since a 7-point loss at Cedar Falls on December 23rd.
We can agree that Iowa's and MTSU's overall strength of schedule is relatively close.
MTSU won 28 games vs. Iowa, which won 21 games.
Yes, I'm disappointed Iowa didn't make it.
Even if we won at Nebraska and Purdue, I'm not sure that we would make it.
(See 11 win Virginia ACC conference record)
St. Mary's is a good team and have only lost to Gonzaga, since a 7-point loss at Cedar Falls on December 23rd.
We can agree that Iowa's and MTSU's overall strength of schedule is relatively close.
MTSU won 28 games vs. Iowa, which won 21 games.
Yes, I'm disappointed Iowa didn't make it.
Even if we won at Nebraska and Purdue, I'm not sure that we would make it.
(See 11 win Virginia ACC conference record)
Its kind of like the elected political officials are always doing whats best for the country. The players and the basketball coaching staff at Iowa try their best playing the game, but some of the referees, and most of the upper echelon officials have their own agendas.
patmyne
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You clearly missed my next post and the 100 I've made since the selection show saying how gay the rpi is
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
Really?
"The point is their inclusion by the committee was a joke - Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, Virginia, et al were better teams than MTSU."
I didn't mention Iowa once.
The goal is not to get the best teams in or crown the best team at the end due to how the tournament is currently set up.
hawkeyebob62
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There are several ways we can view this:
--Which teams "earned" a bid (of the at-large teams)
--Which teams "deserved" a bid
--Which teams did BOTH (earned AND deserved)
IOWA clearly did not do both. As to whether we we either "earned" or "deserved", in that context, we are one of about 10 to 15 in the "either/or" category that are also not in the NCAA Tournament.
In essence, our exclusion isn't about "other" teams, whether by "earning" or "deserving". We are where we, theoretically, "belong" for this season.
--Which teams "earned" a bid (of the at-large teams)
--Which teams "deserved" a bid
--Which teams did BOTH (earned AND deserved)
IOWA clearly did not do both. As to whether we we either "earned" or "deserved", in that context, we are one of about 10 to 15 in the "either/or" category that are also not in the NCAA Tournament.
In essence, our exclusion isn't about "other" teams, whether by "earning" or "deserving". We are where we, theoretically, "belong" for this season.
The committee does. Because Iowa didn't beat any worldbeaters in conference play, so they needed to make up for it with a few resume wins over good teams outside the conference. They couldn't do that though because there weren't enough opportunities to beat anyone of circumstance in their OOC schedule, except maybe Iowa State, therefore they were skipped over for the NCAA's.
