Don't Forget Where Iowa Was 3 Seasons Ago
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I don't think this is about justifying losing close games. It's about saying we've come a long way just to be in a position to win a lot of these games. Even last year we had no chance to even hang with the big boys at home.
The fact that we are losing all these close games are a completely separate matter. I think the coaches definitely need to start looking into this to see if there is something they are doing that needs to be changed.
theboat
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This is stupidly false.
Gatens carried the team through most of the month of Feb. This team is underachieving individually and is still way better than last year.
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ILHawk
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No you can't and never will. If you or a family member has been victim of a violent crime you would see it differently. In IC it has no business being there. Maybe in a large city.
I can see how someone showed grace to someone they knew than someone you don't, but I don't think either was handled well. The recruit also made a mistake after signing and that was forgiven.
Yes you are right, you can never really explain your position to me.
theboat
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It sounds to me as if you don't understand the situation of which you speak.
sportstalent
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Yeah, well, he isn't at Iowa now is he? Actually, he is a never was. PP on the other hand...it was just typical Alford and he hasn't changed since arriving at his new home.
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ILHawk
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I understood it very well.
sportstalent
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So what happened? Apparently, I missed it?
1977Hawkeye
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Say what? A few of Iowa's wins last year:
@ #11 Wisconsin 72-65
#13 Michigan 75-59
#20 Indiana 78-66
#15 Wisconsin 67-66
To say Iowa had no chance against the big boys last year is revisionist history, and just flat out wrong. On the road that may be true, but not at home. Iowa was very dangerous at home last year, as the 3 teams above found out.
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ILHawk
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We were discussing this post of Alford hate: Alford let a rapist back on his team. Nuff said.
I reminded him of Fran's version of 2nd chances. I see no difference. The Alford hate is pretty severe. He's gone, it's past. I"m more concerned about the present.
Calling out Alford on that is a dumb thing w/o examining Fran. That's all.
Alford was young inexperienced and arrogant. Life's experiences will take care of the latter for most people. He's obviously doing ok.
I personally know a very well known person in DC who worked with all Presidents from Kennedy through Clinton. He said most came in arrogant and left pretty nice fellows as the gravity of the position weighed on them. The correlation is that Alford is likely less arrogant. Bit of trivia that some will say...who cares...this guy says the most personable of the #1 and #2 men was Sprio Agnew. Never would have guessed that.
sportstalent
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Alford gave PP more than a second chance...Fran gave the other kid a chance, there is a huge difference there.
I thought you were going to enlighten me about why the guy Fran went after actually left, that something happened for him to leave.
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ILHawk
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I don't disagree about PP. We disagree about Hubbard. It's ok to disagree. I don't think it was just about a 2nd chance. He tried to find someone who could help him get to where he wanted to the quickest with acceptable levels of risk (acceptable in Fran's eyes). Honest people can disagree. In my mind Fran was being just as selfish as Alford. Selfishness is a human trait. Maturity can change that as can situations.
I would hope Fran's situation has changed. If Fran offered Hubbard after things were going well, then I'd characterize it as giving the young man a chance. That implies selflessness. Fran wasn't be selfless as much as selfish. He probably wouldn't do it (offer) again now.
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ILHawk
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I"m not upset either and I predicted 7-11 in conf and still on course for 7 or 8. What I don't want to hear is about great NIT wins. Don't care. Not exciting.
SpecialKHawk
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Disappointed yes because we controlled our destiny for once. Upset about the direction no.
The only complaint i have is we do not play our best 5 guys down the stretch and we continually play small lineups instead of playing either of our true centers. We are a vastly different team when we play a true post player. That is mind boggling that we think McCabe is a post and better than woody or olesani.
Also need a couple of good perimeter shooters.
HawkeyeMHA
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Doesn't matter where we were at three years ago in the context of being up on a poor team in the big by 19. Gotta win that one regardless of where we were three years ago. I felt like I was watching our football team with this loss.
sportstalent
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It does matter where Iowa was three years ago, just look at the Sr. classes that Fran has had. There was not much of anything even worth talking about on Iowa's roster except how people thought Matt Gatens was terrible.
I don't look at this year's failures as hey at least Iowa is competitive, I look at this year's failures and think about how little talent there was and freshman still have to play major roles on this team. Unless you are getting elite talent, that is a sign of the overall health of the program. Looking to next year, I don't see the newcomers Jok, Uthoff, Meyer being starters and that is a good thing. I do see the first two having roles on the team and seeing players like Olaseni/Ingram/Oglesby improving.
Hindsight is 20/20 and the fact that Fran is still building in year 3 kinda speaks volumes to just how bad of a state the program was in, I do believe it was the worst program in the Power Six at the time to start from where he did. Year 4 is going to be far less frustrating and with that, I hope to see a tougher non-conference schedule.
Team failure to lose a 19 point lead to a bad team, just a wasted effort.
If any of the newcomers do start, it will we a very good sign as to how good they are. In the past all it meant was they weren't as terrible as the other guys already on the team.
