Don't Expect Any Protests During National Anthem from Hawkeyes

deanvogs said:
Who is going to the gulag over this? Who is being threatened jail for kneeling?

I don't know where else to go with this. I have said several times I total support what they are protesting. I just don't think you need to do it during the Anthem in order to advance that cause. Even that seems to make me a target. If you are not all in on the message and the delivery of the message, then you are also a target. It reminds me of what the Republicans did during Iraq. If you didn't agree with the mission, then you can't support the troops. It was BS then, and it is BS now.
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It kind of seems your point is counter to your position....respectfully said.
 
HawkGold said:
It kind of seems your point is counter to your position....respectfully said.
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I have said each time that I don't think they should be trying to tie their cause to the Anthem. If you haven't noticed that, then you either don't read my posts, or only read my post to find something to argue about or attack me about.
 
deanvogs said:
If you want to raise awareness for Cancer, you don't do it by kneeling during the Anthem, because you will alienate a segment of the population that feel the Anthem is above this type of thing.. If you want to raise awareness to child abuse, you don't do it by kneeling to the Anthem, because you will alienate a segment of the population that feel the Anthem is above this type of thing.

It makes no sense, and has never made sense to tie this cause to the National Anthem. My issue isn't with the cause, as it is damned well a very good cause. Any police who victimize the population deserved to get punish 100x worse than the average citizen for breaking the trust and job they were given. My issue is the manner in which it was implemented. Now good people who would normally back a good cause are totally turned off by it because it is hijacking something that they value and respect (the Anthem). These same people would be turned off by cancer awareness or child abuse awareness if they tried to Hijack the Anthem for their causes.

I am not sure how this goes over the heads of those who are protesting in this manner, or who support the kneeling during the Anthem. Now they frame the argument as if you DON'T kneel during the Anthem, you are a racists or are for police brutality.
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Kap originally started sitting during the anthem to disrespect the flag and our country because he thinks our country disrespects blacks. Only now has it become a protest to raise awareness. He was doing it as an F U to America.
 
deanvogs said:
I have said each time that I don't think they should be trying to tie their cause to the Anthem. If you haven't noticed that, then you either don't read my posts, or only read my post to find something to argue about or attack me about.
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It is this part: if you are not all in on the message and the delivery of the message, then you are also a target. It reminds me of what the Republicans did during Iraq. If you didn't agree with the mission, then you can't support the troops

Go back and reread your responses to people who are supportive of kneeling.

A Sampling:

It makes no sense...

I am not sure how this goes over the heads of those who...

Now they frame the argument as if you DON'T kneel during the Anthem, you are a racists or are for police brutality... (My words....that just isn't correct).

'm thinking maybe those who are protecting unborn children (noble cause in their minds)

It is soooooooooo freaking stupid ....

Who is going to the gulag over this? Who is being threatened jail for kneeling?

. The right uses this tactic as well. It is pathetic and it is why we stay divided as a country.

and not related:

.How is it that some posters like @Playmaker seem to get dumber each and every year?
 
HawkGold said:
It is this part: if you are not all in on the message and the delivery of the message, then you are also a target. It reminds me of what the Republicans did during Iraq. If you didn't agree with the mission, then you can't support the troops

Go back and reread your responses to people who are supportive of kneeling.

A Sampling:

It makes no sense...

I am not sure how this goes over the heads of those who...

Now they frame the argument as if you DON'T kneel during the Anthem, you are a racists or are for police brutality... (My words....that just isn't correct).

'm thinking maybe those who are protecting unborn children (noble cause in their minds)

It is soooooooooo freaking stupid ....

Who is going to the gulag over this? Who is being threatened jail for kneeling?

. The right uses this tactic as well. It is pathetic and it is why we stay divided as a country.

and not related:

.How is it that some posters like @Playmaker seem to get dumber each and every year?
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Thanks for proving my case. As I said in my post
"or only read my post to find something to argue about or attack me about."

You take pieces and parts and argue endlessly over them. So much so that you even went back, pull out the parts of the post you didn't agree with or whatever and are now posting them again.

So once again, thanks for proving exactly what I stated.
 
deanvogs said:
Thanks for proving my case. As I said in my post
"or only read my post to find something to argue about or attack me about."

You take pieces and parts and argue endlessly over them. So much so that you even went back, pull out the parts of the post you didn't agree with or whatever and are now posting them again.

So once again, thanks for proving exactly what I stated.
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Bet we'd have one hell of a chess game....
 
PCHawk said:
Kap originally started sitting during the anthem to disrespect the flag and our country because he thinks our country disrespects blacks. Only now has it become a protest to raise awareness. He was doing it as an F U to America.
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And the funny thing is, Kap sat for 2 preseason games during the anthem and no one noticed. In the 3rd preseason game, a photo of him sitting was tweeted and people noticed.

He then met with Nate Boyer (former Green Beret and NFL long snapper) who discussed the protest with him. Boyer convinced Kap that kneeling was more respectful to service personnel.

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/9/11/...-anthem-protest-seahawks-brandon-marshall-nfl
 
PCHawk said:
Kap originally started sitting during the anthem to disrespect the flag and our country because he thinks our country disrespects blacks. Only now has it become a protest to raise awareness. He was doing it as an F U to America.
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Yup yup and yup. Yet that's not even remotely how the media reports it or pushes it I should say. They think it's all about peace love blah blah blah. Please the guy wore socks depicting cops as pigs and shirts with Castro on them. He's got some pretty extreme views on things. His GF went on a twitter rant about a possible could have been employer of his the Ravens owner and Ray Lewis being racist in which he never once disavowed. So I guess he didn't want to play there. I mean what gives with the guy really? Yet the media is making him out to be Martin Luther King. That's when you know it's just agenda driven and the media is using him more so than the other way around now.
 
There are clearly some shitty cops out there. But I think people underestimate what happens in their jobs leading up to shootings to give them itchy trigger fingers. The cops in Iowa City that didn't shoot Faith haven't had to live through some things inter city cops have. Things might have turned out differently in that situation if they had.
 
HawkU said:
It is funny - in a weird kind of way. What do you think caused him to flip?
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Simple: not having a job in the NFL. Although I really think he could solve it by just going to the CFL. Hell, half the stadiums sing their anthem in French, anyway. And the ones where they don't sing in french, they've messed up American so badly, it practically sounds English! Oh wait...
 
PCHawk said:
There are clearly some shitty cops out there. But I think people underestimate what happens in their jobs leading up to shootings to give them itchy trigger fingers. The cops in Iowa City that didn't shoot Faith haven't had to live through some things inter city cops have. Things might have turned out differently in that situation if they had.
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I dunno ask Eric Shaw
 
For those that think the only time police officers do something bad is when it makes the national news, you might want to check this out. They stopped posting a couple of months ago, but they posted current daily news (not crap from months or years ago). You can go thru the previous postings if you truly want to understand the subject matter. It may be eye opening for some.

Www.policemisconduct.net

https://mobile.twitter.com/npmrp?lang=en
 
tksirius said:
For those that think the only time police officers do something bad is when it makes the national news, you might want to check this out. They stopped posting a couple of months ago, but they posted current daily news (not crap from months or years ago). You can go thru the previous postings if you truly want to understand the subject matter. It may be eye opening for some.

Www.policemisconduct.net

https://mobile.twitter.com/npmrp?lang=en
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Of course there are bad police officers out there. There are some are dumb, some lazy, some corrupt, some criminals with a badge, some flat out killers, and some racist cops on the street. Nobody with a brain would deny this.

There is an estimated 1000-1400 arrest related killings a year in the US. There are an estimated 765,000 law enforcement officers in the US. There is an estimated 12 Million-15 million arrest per year made. So there is a arrest related killing in .0001of the total arrests made. That is basically 1 in every 8,600-10,600 arrests.

The Washington post is tracking the number for the current year and you can check it an any time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
It says right on the page a quarter of these shootings are related to mental illness.

I know a guy who used to be a cop in a small po dunk Iowa town. He quit when a guy on meth pulled a knife on him. I never asked the details, as he really didn't want to talk about it, but I know nobody died. He just said that it isn't worth it to be a cop. My wife's family knew the female cop who was shot in the face by a meth head in Sioux City about 1-2 years ago. She lived, she was shot 1-2 months before her wedding. She had been to this person's residence several times on calls, this time the guy shot her in the face. Those of us in Des Moines all know about the 2 cops who were gunned down by the guy in Urbandale not that long ago.

This post isn't meant to excuse criminal behavior by the cops when they do engage in criminal behavior. We just have to be able to have a reasonable discussion about this topic. The cops do a very dangerous job, we have to understand that. At the same time, we can't just let them do whatever and get away with murder if that is what they did to someone.
 
deanvogs said:
Of course there are bad police officers out there. There are some are dumb, some lazy, some corrupt, some criminals with a badge, some flat out killers, and some racist cops on the street. Nobody with a brain would deny this.

There is an estimated 1000-1400 arrest related killings a year in the US. There are an estimated 765,000 law enforcement officers in the US. There is an estimated 12 Million-15 million arrest per year made. So there is a arrest related killing in .0001of the total arrests made. That is basically 1 in every 8,600-10,600 arrests.

The Washington post is tracking the number for the current year and you can check it an any time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
It says right on the page a quarter of these shootings are related to mental illness.

I know a guy who used to be a cop in a small po dunk Iowa town. He quit when a guy on meth pulled a knife on him. I never asked the details, as he really didn't want to talk about it, but I know nobody died. He just said that it isn't worth it to be a cop. My wife's family knew the female cop who was shot in the face by a meth head in Sioux City about 1-2 years ago. She lived, she was shot 1-2 months before her wedding. She had been to this person's residence several times on calls, this time the guy shot her in the face. Those of us in Des Moines all know about the 2 cops who were gunned down by the guy in Urbandale not that long ago.

This post isn't meant to excuse criminal behavior by the cops when they do engage in criminal behavior. We just have to be able to have a reasonable discussion about this topic. The cops do a very dangerous job, we have to understand that. At the same time, we can't just let them do whatever and get away with murder if that is what they did to someone.
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Dean it is naive ignore there is a huge problem and that is slanted against blacks. There is a for sure increase in aggressiness in officers and a more military type response. My own dad was an officer and he was very aggressive in his approach on duty and at home. He was that as before he was an officer. I know very well how the system works. He should have gone to prison. My brother is a cop and was a helloon prior. The badge gives him privilidge. One day to show off he tried to demonstrate his training to take down me against my will. I took him down and wouldnt let the asshole off the ground until he calmed down. Hes 2nd in command of a law enforcement dept today.

There is a problem and Im sorry it upsets your apple pie view of America.
 
HawkGold said:
It is this part: if you are not all in on the message and the delivery of the message, then you are also a target. It reminds me of what the Republicans did during Iraq. If you didn't agree with the mission, then you can't support the troops

Go back and reread your responses to people who are supportive of kneeling.

A Sampling:

It makes no sense...

I am not sure how this goes over the heads of those who...

Now they frame the argument as if you DON'T kneel during the Anthem, you are a racists or are for police brutality... (My words....that just isn't correct).

'm thinking maybe those who are protecting unborn children (noble cause in their minds)

It is soooooooooo freaking stupid ....

Who is going to the gulag over this? Who is being threatened jail for kneeling?

. The right uses this tactic as well. It is pathetic and it is why we stay divided as a country.

and not related:

.How is it that some posters like @Playmaker seem to get dumber each and every year?
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You actually took the time to look all that up?
 
HawkGold said:
Dean it is naive ignore there is a huge problem and that is slanted against blacks. There is a for sure increase in aggressiness in officers and a more military type response. My own dad was an officer and he was very aggressive in his approach on duty and at home. He was that as before he was an officer. I know very well how the system works. He should have gone to prison. My brother is a cop and was a helloon prior. The badge gives him privilidge. One day to show off he tried to demonstrate his training to take down me against my will. I took him down and wouldnt let the asshole off the ground until he calmed down. Hes 2nd in command of a law enforcement dept today.

There is a problem and Im sorry it upsets your apple pie view of America.
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My brother-in-law is the chief of police of a decent sized city. Over the years, he has had several racist comments to make about the job (black co-workers and citizens), earliest one I remember was about a black cadet while he was going thru the academy. I also remember him speaking about getting a phone call when his brother was arrested for a dui and made that arrest/charge disappear. Today, my brother-in-law is looked at as if he is a really great guy by the local populace and a real officer's chief if ya know what I mean.
 
Lots of cops are a-holes. Guess what? Lots of people are a-holes, so obviously some would be cops.

But that means a lot of people that get shot are a-holes too. The riots that just happened in St. Louis were over some dirtbag drug dealer who got shot after trying to run over and then evade cops. Boo-hoo dirty cops?? If "Black Lives Matter" so much, why be upset about getting this guy off the streets?

Everybody is so eager these days to label everything as racism- I see lots of headlines where I think "yeah, that might be racism, but that's only 1 possible explaination".

(note I'm not saying there's no racism- just that I think it's being overblown by the media)
 
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