Does Fran get reprimand for blowing up at Dev, Eric?

sportstalent said:
ILHawk gets upset when you call him a troll, he is a bonerfide Iowa fan.

Is he troll or tool, or both a trooll?
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Some of you guys need to make sure your beer bottles are turned he right direction so the ball goes through the hoop. Don't send negative vibs ok?

All is great. Iowa forever. They would always win except for the coaches and recruit who they went if it weren't for cheating. Ok, I get it.
 
I respect fran as a coach and feel like bobby knight was one of the greatest if not the greatest. I played sports in hs and college and got yelled at a lot. But how you yell at a player is what gets me. Fran gets nose to nose and looks like he is going to headbutt his players at times. That isn't needed. Yelling and getting mad is fine. But he makes a spectacle about it. And that isn't right. Now each do it there way and I won't tell them to stop because I am not their superior, but it wouldn't surprise me if the university had barta say something at sometime. I don't think what bobby knight did was ok but it doesn't mean he is a bad coach he is great. Fran does similar things and that is him but I personally don't feel he should do it like he does.
 
ILHawk said:
So glad you know how to discuss things intelligently (sarcasm).

It doesn't take much to improve on where our recruiting was. That said, not all agree that our recruiting for next year and after is all that terrific. Time will tell.
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Iowa has one guy for next year, Peter Jok who appears to be playing well this season and continuing to improve from knee problems.

For the 2014 class, Iowa has zero commits, so that looks pretty bleak at this point.

Also, '33' pointed all the way back to Alford's 2nd year and Iowa had some pretty good teams in that time, so it does say something.

The really good programs have kids from 2014 committing to them at this point, also if teams at or below Iowa's level have kids coming, most likely those programs are hoping they have an under the radar type kid.
 
ILHawk said:
Some of you guys need to make sure your beer bottles are turned he right direction so the ball goes through the hoop. Don't send negative vibs ok?

All is great. Iowa forever. They would always win except for the coaches and recruit who they went if it weren't for cheating. Ok, I get it.
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You must not read everybody's posts, if you think all of us that question you are nothing but positive all the time then you aren't paying attention.
 
ILHawk said:
Some of you guys need to make sure your beer bottles are turned he right direction so the ball goes through the hoop. Don't send negative vibs ok?

All is great. Iowa forever. They would always win except for the coaches and recruit who they went if it weren't for cheating. Ok, I get it.
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You're right, Fran's yelling is driving away the long list of blue chip recruits who would otherwise be ready to sign with Iowa.

LOLerz
 
I know of a number of decent but not blue chippers from IL that didn't chose Iowa and opted to go to recent power house IL and some others. That's where the current battle is at. No way that behavior causes more of those recruits to come to Iowa than drives away. Likely more driven away. But we'll never know. In a few years we will know whether or not Fran was successful or not. So far optimism, but nothing to hang hats on. Good action pictures though.
 
ILHawk said:
I know of a number of decent but not blue chippers from IL that didn't chose Iowa and opted to go to recent power house IL and some others. That's where the current battle is at. No way that behavior causes more of those recruits to come to Iowa than drives away. Likely more driven away. But we'll never know. In a few years we will know whether or not Fran was successful or not. So far optimism, but nothing to hang hats on. Good action pictures though.
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How do you assume that they didn't or aren't going to Iowa because of that?

IL isn't exactly going to determine Iowa's successes or failures in recruiting either.

What kids have turned Iowa down to go to other schools? What IL kids has Fran been locked on before going after guys like Cunningham, White, Allen, Harris, Ulis in the 2014 class?

Do tell.
 
ILHawk said:
I know of a number of decent but not blue chippers from IL that didn't chose Iowa and opted to go to recent power house IL and some others. That's where the current battle is at. No way that behavior causes more of those recruits to come to Iowa than drives away. Likely more driven away. But we'll never know. In a few years we will know whether or not Fran was successful or not. So far optimism, but nothing to hang hats on. Good action pictures though.
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You have absolutely nothing to back this up. I could say Lickliter never screamed and just sat and pouted on the bench, thus he didn't get quality Illinois recruits because he wasn't passionate enough and you can't prove me wrong there.
 
hawkfan33 said:
You have absolutely nothing to back this up. I could say Lickliter never screamed and just sat and pouted on the bench, thus he didn't get quality Illinois recruits because he wasn't passionate enough and you can't prove me wrong there.
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That is what bothers me about ILLHawk, he says things that have no backing.

If I were to say Iowa could have had Al Horford on their roster, that is absolutely true.

Horford chose not to sign with Florida shortly after committing to them in the early period, in local papers he stated that he wanted to hear what Iowa had to say again as he felt the need to commit to a program and he had just gotten back from a visit to Florida.

Alford didn't pursue and signed two uncommitted players after Horford eventually signed with Florida. That is an actual story with facts involved, if I can find the article I will provide a link, but as long as it has been I may not be able to find it today. Needless to say, living in Michigan and knowing who Horford was, I was a little bitter.
 
sportstalent said:
That is what bothers me about ILLHawk, he says things that have no backing.

If I were to say Iowa could have had Al Horford on their roster, that is absolutely true.

Horford chose not to sign with Florida shortly after committing to them in the early period, in local papers he stated that he wanted to hear what Iowa had to say again as he felt the need to commit to a program and he had just gotten back from a visit to Florida.

Alford didn't pursue and signed two uncommitted players after Horford eventually signed with Florida. That is an actual story with facts involved, if I can find the article I will provide a link, but as long as it has been I may not be able to find it today. Needless to say, living in Michigan and knowing who Horford was, I was a little bitter.
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ST, you like to attack those who are different. It's ok to disagree, but you get personal and then you got real upset when I gave it back. Let's examine one of your posts:

[h=2]Re: So Aaron White scores a Career High starting at the 3[/h]
I like seeing Woodbury/Basabe together, Woodbury does a good job at passing from the high post, I would like to see him take that jumper, it opens things up when he does.

Also, Olaseni/Basabe are a good combo they rebound well together and contest everything.

As Spank said though when there is no true center on the floor White/Basabe play so well together. That combo with Clemmons running the point were on the floor during the last part of the game.

I would still like to see more Olaseni with Basabe, it worked really well against Purdue. With Clemmons sitting the bench is more defined: Clemmons-PG, Oglesby-SG, May-SF, McCabe-PF and Olaseni-C. If Basabe continues to start, I like that he and McCabe aren't on the floor together very much and that is a good thing.

The problem with the bench now is someone has to step up and be able to score now that Basabe is starting. If Oglesby can't regain his shot, I would like to see Clemmons/Ingram play more together with the second unit.

You strictly gave an opinion with nothing to back it up. It is an opinion and nothing more. You attack me for the same way.

To clarify my positions on Iowa basketball and it is my opinion which you are free to disagree. It would be nice if you wouldn't attack.

1. Fran stopped the drain on Iowa basketball. It is not proven if it is long term.

2. Iowa's future recruiting is unknown at this time. I do know a lot of the IL kids that Iowa offered or was interested in. I have seen quite a lot of them play, including real recently Finke and Bates Diop.
Outside of Diop, the others that Iowa has expressed interest to a significant degree seem to lack what I call game savvy and toughness. Diop has it for sure. What is concerning to me is that Iowa isn't even getting a lot of these kids. Diop dunked from the bottom of the ft circle and went over a 6'8" athletic player (who was a year younger).

3. I am free to disagree on the impact of yelling on players. I don't think the impact is the same as in the past. That is my opinion, just like you have yours. My experience in life is that when somebody is really that mad (if he really was), he will eventually take it further.

4. I have some concerns about lack of Iowa development in shooting and 1/2 court. Our full court game is terrific and gives me hope.

5. I have some concerns about player development. MG I believe will be solid as will Clemmons. White as I've said could be a 6/7 for any program and a starter for a lot. Marble last year could not go left for anything and he has developed that. However, it was unusual to see someone of his position on the floor for a B1G team that couldn't. So that's all positive. Woody doesn't seem to be developing very well to me, even for a Freshman. You don't often see kids that unsure of what to do in a B1G game. I could give our stats on 3 point shooting and lack of paint points I guess.

6. We won't know much for several years really on progress. Fran deserves that time unless he goes into a meltdown and hits someone.

Ok so they are opinions. Several years ago I was one of the first to indicate the slipping of the football program. I took a lot of heat. I didn't use close four letter words or get personal. I really got chewed because I stated there appeared to be a fall off in football speed and still believe that is the biggest problem. In the past I took heat because some didn't like I posted that Banks should be qb his senior year and if given a chance would be phenomenal.

I have coached high school sports including basketball. Some observations are from my experiences. If you no likey you don't have to read them or your are free to disagree. Grow up and quit name calling those you don't agree with and that appears to be quite a few people, many of whom quit because of the name calling. I was wrong to finally give pay back and don't intend to go there again. Would be nice if you'd do the same.

So you want only stats?

OK, so and so scores xx.x points per game. That would be a nice post.




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hawkfan33 said:
You have absolutely nothing to back this up. I could say Lickliter never screamed and just sat and pouted on the bench, thus he didn't get quality Illinois recruits because he wasn't passionate enough and you can't prove me wrong there.
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So 33, you give no opinions? Really?
 
kmajhawk said:
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BILLBUCKNER said:
eah, I bet you dream of the days when Lick was here with his face buried in his hands...GTFO
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No, I don't miss Mr. Depressedliter sitting in Iowa's coaching box. I love Fran, his passion and the players he's bringing into the program. I think it's going in the right direction. But I have to honestly say he comes off looking like an immature *** in both of these photos. And no one yet seems to be considering what I think could be an issue -- at this point a minor one -- for Fran, and that is the notification(s) in writing last year expressing concerns about his sideline behavior. Athletic directors and conference officials do not look at this from the standpoint as fans, and when a university employee is written up, so to speak, they operate on a bit shorter leash.
 
ILHawk said:
So 33, you give no opinions? Really?
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Opinions are fine, we're all entitled to ours. But if you want yours to be taken seriously, you have to provide something to back it up. Maybe you're still wrong, maybe not. But I can't expect my opinion that Aaron White is a doosh to be taken seriously if I don't have something to support that opinion.

For the record, I don't think Aaron is a doosh; just an example.
 
ILHawk said:
You strictly gave an opinion with nothing to back it up. It is an opinion and nothing more. You attack me for the same way.​
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My opinion was based on seeing Iowa come back against Purdue with Olaseni/Basabe playing most of their minutes together and when it stopped, Purdue won the game. Iowa lost control of the boards and didn't contest inside shots. That actually happened.

I ask you, what players in the past have been turned off to Iowa and went somewhere else, plus you indicated saying it was because Fran yells?

You don't have to have stats to back up facts because stats can be flawed like saying Iowa has a good offense because their A/FGM % is 65%. That is an awesome stat to base offensive production.

You gave some real content there and I am proud of you. I coach high school sports now and kids are really different than when I was in high school, it is frustrating much of the time. Parents make things far worse, especially the unrealistic and helicopter ones.

I have asked you this multiple times, what other prospects have you seen play, specifically Paul White? Iowa was never getting Bates-Diop as he is a Top 20 recruit. Also, didn't Iowa offer Finke much later than Illinois?
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I have no problem with the current recruiting. We have two seniors this year (including Rickert, 6 points in 16 min this year) so we don't need to bring in a bunch of players and have too many next year. I think it's nice to just get one really good guy and be done. 2014 will be different, replacing much more productivity, but we have plenty of time to deal with that.
 
To be perfectly honest I have thought, through observation, that Fran has been relatively composed this season......

Remarkably so......

I believe, I could be wrong, that the chat with Devyn was near the end of the game when we were having trouble getting the ball inbounds and Penn State was whittling the lead down......

There was NO way we could lose to Penn State at Carver, NO way.......

I would rather he text his message to Devyn, It would be more contempory and polite......
 
jacknicholson said:
To be perfectly honest I have thought, through observation, that Fran has been relatively composed this season......

Remarkably so......

I believe, I could be wrong, that the chat with Devyn was near the end of the game when we were having trouble getting the ball inbounds and Penn State was whittling the lead down......

There was NO way we could lose to Penn State at Carver, NO way.......

I would rather he text his message to Devyn, It would be more contempory and polite......
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Spot on as always Uncle Jack
 
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