Does Beathard Have Ferentz By The ----s?

[ThunderHawk]

Kurt is a lying SOB. He deserves this.

welcome to the Kirkliter era.

 

[Caddy]

But KF is such a nice guy, he would never lie to anyone. Bull crap, he's as arrogant and smug as they come. I'm wondering if he doesn't have early onset dementia or Alzheimer's. Seriously, anyone that can sit and watch this steaming turd of a program and continually not play the best players has got to have something wrong with them. If CJ does happen to start, he still needs to be fired. Kid should have started the first friggin game this season, for sure after Ball St. Clueless is only trying to pave the way for Clueless Jr. now.

 

[Ozhawk]

Agreed

Not Me! If I had my choice who would be here next year between Ferentz and CJ..it's CJ hands down. Iowa Football is DEAD..the coach is an extremely expensive lame duck.

 

[pekurhawk]

My God, we are now throwing out terms like corporate culture, positions of leadership, being on the management side of things, how about I get you boys a chart pad and you can come up with a new mission statement

 

[mysteron]

If you lost employees as talented as CJ and Willies in the same month, not to mention the many others over the years, I would fire you. This doesn't happen to hungry coaches who want to win, not this often. When we lost Coker, for example, it was the equivalent of Nebraska losing Abdullah or Wiscy losing Melvin Gordon in terms of importance. You almost never hear of other programs losing their feature players, at least not as often as we do.

Kirk chased off 3 QBs in Calendar 2014. Two of which were better than the surgeon. That's quite an accomplishment for someone who claims that coaching at Iowa is an insurmountable handicap. Hey Kirk, you know what else is a handicap? Destroying your own depth chart.

 

[BlindDogScooter]

Once again, this probably will not end well for the Iowa fans...I don't see KF caving to outside pressure by CJs family, especially in the light of going public now. He will more than likely now not play CJ at all to highlight his stance ...even at the peril of losing the game.

Yeah... a long tenured coach with numbers comparable to many HOF coaches should probably just let the players families dictate things in the media.

At this point if playing CJ guaranteed a win I'd let him sit.

You don't get to poke the coach in the eye indirectly and get your way... there is precisely ZERO upside to the coach for caving to outside pressure from Nashville songwriters. If you have something to say have the balls to request a meeting with your coach face to face and make your case. Better yet... make your case every day in practice and execute flawlessly when you get your chances on the field.

 

[Xerxes]

Yeah... a long tenured coach with numbers comparable to many HOF coaches should probably just let the players families dictate things in the media.

At this point if playing CJ guaranteed a win I'd let him sit.

You don't get to poke the coach in the eye indirectly and get your way... there is precisely ZERO upside to the coach for caving to outside pressure from Nashville songwriters. If you have something to say have the balls to request a meeting with your coach face to face and make your case. Better yet... make your case every day in practice and execute flawlessly when you get your chances on the field.

I agree here. I wish KF would make this a standard for all QBs playing in games, or at least make the standard above average execution. Right now, its not. If it was, I'm not sure if either of the QBs we've seen playing for Iowa this season would still be playing.

I'm pretty sure about JR because there is enough of a sample size to know what you're going to get from him. Basically average at best.

CJB hasn't had the opportunities yet to make a judgement one way or the other. I do trust EP's opinions more than anyone else inside or outside the Iowa program. He likes CJ so thats enough for me to want to see him get a shot but I gave up on that a long time ago. Maybe we'll see what he can do at another school sometime in next few years?

 

[vork22]

It's a classless move by CJ and his Dad. If you don't like the shot you are getting then transfer. But don't give a F'ing ultimatum to your son's coach via your hometown paper. That is something you just don't do.

It's like a helicopter dad of a 10 year old that thinks his 10U coach isn't playing his son enough at shortstop.

How does this get 19 thumbs down?? Spot on I hope this guy just quits crying and tranfers already.

 

[BlindDogScooter]

I think you and hwk are right. It's not intended to be an ultimatum. But that's the way it has come across to some.

KF says he evaluates his players/staff after the season (and some players don't come back after that evaluation and once-in-a-great-while even a coach); CJB says he'll evaluate his position after the season.

Why is it when KF says it he's a good manager and if CJB says exactly what KF says he's a bad team member?

Is this even a serious question? Do you really not know and understand the answer?

 

[Tierney]

Great point IMO! Has anyone seen a QB actually get better under Ferentz? I truly think he does more harm than good over the course of his tenure at Iowa. That has been the one thing he has never done an adequate job at. I've seen QB's that had plenty of talent come into the program only to decline and lose their edge under Ferentz. Sad..... just so sad!

Regardless of what KF may have said or promised, the issue for me is whether any QB can develop under KF's guidance.

The issue isn't how talented the quarterback is. Iowa will recruit pretty talented quarterbacks, but the main issue is which quarterback will give what Ferentz is looking for. When Ferentz first started at Iowa he promised the Iowa offensive attack would be wide open. That isn't what Ferentz is looking for. Cody Sokol just lead Virginia tech past Illinois in a bowl game. He is a pretty talented player, but he wasn't what Ferentz was looking for. Its hard to have a guy by the balls if he is worth fifty million dollars. If I was the backup quarterback I wouldn't hold much stock in whatever Ferentz says even if he was to start the bowl game. Ferentz has a history of saying one thing and doing another.

 

[mysteron]

Great point IMO! Has anyone seen a QB actually get better under Ferentz? I truly think he does more harm than good over the course of his tenure at Iowa. That has been the one thing he has never done an adequate job at. I've seen QB's that had plenty of talent come into the program only to decline and lose their edge under Ferentz. Sad..... just so sad!





The issue isn't how talented the quarterback is. Iowa will recruit pretty talented quarterbacks, but the main issue is which quarterback will give what Ferentz is looking for. When Ferentz first started at Iowa he promised the Iowa offensive attack would be wide open. That isn't what Ferentz is looking for. Cody Sokol just lead Virginia tech past Illinois in a bowl game. He is a pretty talented player, but he wasn't what Ferentz was looking for. Its hard to have a guy by the balls if he is worth fifty million dollars. If I was the backup quarterback I wouldn't hold much stock in whatever Ferentz says even if he was to start the bowl game. Ferentz has a history of saying one thing and doing another.

Apparently Kirk recruits players he isn't looking for. The guy's a genius I tellz ya.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Boy, say what you will, but this chess(t) match is kind of fun to watch. Say it aint so, is this really happening, 12 games into the season and there is still an apparent QB competition? What coaching staff still has an open competition 12 games into the season. Shouldn't you know who you are at this point in the season?

Now comes the Beathard camp making chess moves to a coach that historically keeps a tight ship and you do things on Iowa's terms. I don't know how it's going to work out in the end, but this is rather entertaining to say the least.

What's "fun" about a father and player making veiled threats in a hometown newspaper?

 

[championdrinker]

Agreed

Nice avatar marjack. Mr Show is not referenced nearly as much as it should be on sports message boards.

As to the topic at hand, I am in the camp that says CJ brings to the table an ability to make plays that this current group of Hawkeyes is lacking. Remembering the reports from August of 13, which said the competition between the two was very close, brings me to the conclusion that the job should have been won on the field last year, and we wouldn't be in this situation.

However, I do not support the statements to the media that are being discussed here.

 

[Tierney]

Apparently Kirk recruits players he isn't looking for. The guy's a genius I tellz ya.

I'm glad you were able to twist what I was saying around. Ferentz was going to play the quarterback that is most likely to follow his conservative style no matter how talented the other guy is. I'm sure both guys are talented. If both quarterbacks play in the bowl game and they both come back next year, I wonder who do you think will be the starter next year? I'm not saying one quarterback is better than the other, but its a matter of what the coaches want. I'm sure they will tell the players whatever suits there (the coaches) purposes.