Des Moines Lincoln High School Coach Update

Holy cow. I never met Chris Street but still think of him like a brother. He is the epitome of a Hawkeye student-athlete in my opinion. I don't even want to put my thoughts in print regarding this.
 
bighawkeyedaddy said:
The only reason he made him go and tell the varsity players what he said was so that they could hear about it and exert some of their own internal discipline. There was no other reason to do that. And the intent was also to keep him running until the varsity was done practicing so that he would have to be in the locker room at the same time as them. That is obvious.

These things happened when I played. We had to run every time someone left a piece of their equipment out. One kid kept leaving stuff out over and over. So we took matters into our own hands... he left his helmet out one day and we all took turns taking a dump in it. He didn't leave anything out after that. But if our coach would have known about it we all would have been suspended for God knows how long.
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Your coach sounds like this guy, but 100x worse:

[video=youtube;5NP8y63Ms4o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NP8y63Ms4o&feature=related[/video]
 
pumpdog20 said:
If he takes out the curse word, does it make you feel better? Do you think that was the first time he's ever heard the word before, how about said it himself? Have you used the word before? Does it make you a less mature adult? It's football, it's intense; coached and played by intense people. The team is a bonding unit, if one says the things the kid says, they will be called out. This scenario would have been played out the exact same way by the coaches at any school in the country. Confession, running, cursing all included.
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It is really sick that you think this is the case.
 
Travisam said:
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BS. If my kid ran his mouth about his team like that, and was so confident as to put it out on twitter, he can face the consequences. The same would go for him as an adult if he posted something about his company. He would get his *** fired. This is a teachable moment. His parents have taught him that Mommy and Daddy can bail him out when he acts like a little punk. I have a son. He's very young, but I assure you, I will not be raising a kid like these little entitled pukes I see running around.
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To each his own I guess. I have an infant son and if a coach decided to feed him to the dogs like this, I would not react too kindly. The kid is 15 years old. Repeat 15. Kids at that age are essentially brainless and as a result, do and say brainless things. If TM wanted to suspend the kid and had the grounds to do so, fine. However, Lincoln High School is not The Citadel.
 
Travisam said:
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This is a teachable moment.
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What lesson did the coach teach in this moment? A real coach, if for some reason he felt like he couldn't ignore it, would have made the kid apologize, tell him he's going to bust his butt in conditioning while the team practices, and tell them that if they ever say or do anything that is against this team, they will be on the hill with him. After practice, have him come together with the team, tell the team he's learned his lesson, and the matter is closed, he's still a part of this team. If anyone has a problem with it, they take it up with the coaching staff.
 
GhostofBTT said:
What lesson did the coach teach in this moment? A real coach, if for some reason he felt like he couldn't ignore it, would have made the kid apologize, tell him he's going to bust his butt in conditioning while the team practices, and tell them that if they ever say or do anything that is against this team, they will be on the hill with him. After practice, have him come together with the team, tell the team he's learned his lesson, and the matter is closed, he's still a part of this team. If anyone has a problem with it, they take it up with the coaching staff.
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And then Mr. Brady said "You have to eat peas every day for a week, Greg!"
 
GhostofBTT said:
It is really sick that you think this is the case.
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Or maybe, you've been living in a bubble. Name one school, where the corrective action wouldn't have been: confront team/apologize, extra conditioning, and being irrate that cursing was included.
 
Kids (and some adults) need to realize that posting random thoughts to the Net is not a good idea. If he had made this as an off hand comment while at his house playing video games, nothing would have come of it and the coach most likely wouldn't have known about or at least the kid would know he told him. We all say things we know would be frowned upon but don't put it in "print" for the world to see. Anyone who has an open Twitter or Facebook account is just asking for trouble unless they are very conservative.

That being said, the coach handled this very, very badly and sounds like he has tendencies to be an idiot on occasion, though he may be a somewhat effective football coach. Most kids can probably take some of his crap. But there are some that have other issues in their lives and may not be able to and shouldn't have to take it to be part of a high school team. The lying and some of his other actions (having his players lift and damage a car!) are just kind of bizarre.
 
pumpdog20 said:
Or maybe, you've been living in a bubble. Name one school, where the corrective action wouldn't have been: confront team/apologize, extra conditioning, and being irrate that cursing was included.
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I think your characterization of the actions taken as "apologizing and extra conditioning" are a bit misleading. The report certainly paints a picture of a coach who sets a bad example of sportsmanship and repeatedly uses humiliation as a motivational ploy. Those sound like the tactics of someone who is a terrible communicator and does not care about kids; in short, someone that I would not want coaching in high school.

I guess none of us knows what goes on in all schools, so we can only speak to our own experiences.

None of my high school coaches used profanity excessively (you would maybe hear it once or twice a season, and then you knew that you really messed up). There was also very little profanity used by my collegiate coaches. And I am confident in stating that none of my coaches, at any level, would set out to humiliate an athlete in the way that was done here. The same holds true for the numerous individuals that I have coached beside or observed over the past decade.

I would be interested to hear from others; how many could see their coaches carrying out these actions, and how many of your coaches would be appalled by these actions?
 
I still think some of the people on here defending him have not read the entire report or possibly any of the report. I think if you read just the section about the Chris Street drill alone you'd change your tune of how your defending what this guy did to this kid and what his intentions were with how he went about it. Read the entire report and come back here and then give your opinion.

I'm all for corrective punishment and disciplinary action when warranted, but that's far from what this guy was doing. And I'd be very thankful that my kids would never have to be associated with him.
 
pumpdog20 said:
Or maybe, you've been living in a bubble. Name one school, where the corrective action wouldn't have been: confront team/apologize, extra conditioning, and being irrate that cursing was included.
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The devil's in the details. For instance, the scenario I proposed was pretty much the same thing you said. However, this Lincoln coach's goal was clearly to humiliate the kid and anger the team. For instance, all witnesses testified that the coach made him stand in front of the team for 30-60 seconds while they shouted insults at him until he put a stop to it. That's not apologizing or extra conditioning, that is absolute garbage.

If I were coaching that team, I would have had the kid apologize and run hills, and if one player popped off about it, his *** would have been on that hill with him. What kind of sick coach feels that the best thing for the team is to turn the team against a player?
 
GhostofBTT said:
The devil's in the details. For instance, the scenario I proposed was pretty much the same thing you said. However, this Lincoln coach's goal was clearly to humiliate the kid and anger the team. For instance, all witnesses testified that the coach made him stand in front of the team for 30-60 seconds while they shouted insults at him until he put a stop to it. That's not apologizing or extra conditioning, that is absolute garbage.

If I were coaching that team, I would have had the kid apologize and run hills, and if one player popped off about it, his *** would have been on that hill with him. What kind of sick coach feels that the best thing for the team is to turn the team against a player?
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Good point Ghost. I know that no coach ever made my entire team run extra laps/drills for something that I did, or one of my teammates did to screw up in practice. And they sure as hell never let the team know why, and who's fault it was for running the extra laps/drills.

Never happens.

Ever.

Never.

Happens.
 
Travisam said:
Good point Ghost. I know that no coach ever made my entire team run extra laps/drills for something that I did, or one of my teammates did to screw up in practice. And they sure as hell never let the team know why, and who's fault it was for running the extra laps/drills.

Never happens.

Ever.

Never.

Happens.
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Look guy, whatever happened in the past is irrelevant. Each and every child today is a special snowflake, and God forbid anyone puts any heat on those snowflakes or else they may melt.
 
I have no problem with making the kid read the tweet in front of the team. He should be embassed like that.

I have no problem with the exra conditioning, provided he had adequate water.

I have a huge problem with the coach encouraging ,directly or indirectly, any threats of violence against the kid. That is clearly not appropriate and the coach should have been immediately terminated if that happened.
 
My children will never stoop to the level of scholastic sports. They'll be club/AAU/OD only. I don't need some psycho in BIKE coaching shorts with a tucked in "too tight" polo slathering my kid with spit while he yells obscenities that are so out-dated they don't even offend my grandma.
 
DuffMan said:
I have no problem with making the kid read the tweet in front of the team. He should be embassed like that.

I have no problem with the exra conditioning, provided he had adequate water.

I have a huge problem with the coach encouraging ,directly or indirectly, any threats of violence against the kid. That is clearly not appropriate and the coach should have been immediately terminated if that happened.
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this is the end of the thread.
 
Travisam said:
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BS. If my kid ran his mouth about his team like that, and was so confident as to put it out on twitter, he can face the consequences. The same would go for him as an adult if he posted something about his company. He would get his *** fired. This is a teachable moment. His parents have taught him that Mommy and Daddy can bail him out when he acts like a little punk. I have a son. He's very young, but I assure you, I will not be raising a kid like these little entitled pukes I see running around.
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lol.. Nice try.. So your not a parent yet.. Talk to me when you are.. :)
 
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