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Anyone else see the bad call on the pickoff attempt. Not that the Cubs would have won the game, but that call was bad.
 
Fukudome is only trade. Disappointed on this end. There is still the waiver wire, but you never get as much out of the deal as at the deadline.
 
Now that Colvin has been called up, he looks absolutely terrible at the plate. The Cubs really ruined this kid. Two years ago he looked like a real prospect. Now he simply looks overmatched.
 
where did you watch him where he looked like a real prospect? dude has been a reach ever since he was drafted far too early.
 
9YRPLAN said:
where did you watch him where he looked like a real prospect? dude has been a reach ever since he was drafted far too early.
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He did show some promise last year, at least with some power and defense. Who knows what happened between those ears, but it is definitely mental. Yes I agree, drafted way too early, but he had a solid season last year.
 
hawkfarmer said:
He did show some promise last year, at least with some power and defense. Who knows what happened between those ears, but it is definitely mental. Yes I agree, drafted way too early, but he had a solid season last year.
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I have to admit I haven't bothered watching the Cubs much this year, so haven't seen much of Colvin, but his stats are speaking for themselves right now.

Last year, even though Colvin was hitting some HR, I was a little concerned about what seemed to me like a lack of plate discipline.. It doesn't take good big league pitching long to figure out guys who swing at everything. Not sure if that's what is going on this year or what.

Based on last year, I have to think that Colvin has more ability than what he's showing this year, and yeah, when you're barely hitting over .100, it's got to be easy for it to get to your head.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
I have to admit I haven't bothered watching the Cubs much this year, so haven't seen much of Colvin, but his stats are speaking for themselves right now.

Last year, even though Colvin was hitting some HR, I was a little concerned about what seemed to me like a lack of plate discipline.. It doesn't take good big league pitching long to figure out guys who swing at everything. Not sure if that's what is going on this year or what.

Based on last year, I have to think that Colvin has more ability than what he's showing this year, and yeah, when you're barely hitting over .100, it's got to be easy for it to get to your head.
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Wouldn't have mattered if you watched since he was in AAA most of the year. They are saying they need to know if he is a "every day player" by the end of this year. this could be the end of a very short Colvin era.

I agree, his plate discipline was not good. Pitchers adjusted and wa-la, we have this year's production. Anyway I wish he could produce but I don't think we'll see it.
 
hawkfarmer said:
Wouldn't have mattered if you watched since he was in AAA most of the year. They are saying they need to know if he is a "every day player" by the end of this year. this could be the end of a very short Colvin era.

I agree, his plate discipline was not good. Pitchers adjusted and wa-la, we have this year's production. Anyway I wish he could produce but I don't think we'll see it.
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At least Colvin has not been hit by a bat fragment this year! I always try to look for positives as far as the Cubs are concerned. :)
 
I think Hendry should be fired for not dumping more of these veteran players to beef up the farm system. He has to much pride to admit that this team he put together is bad and thinks this team can win next year. This team is horrible and could use some good prospects to turn it back around. There was interest in Pena and he should have jumped on the opportunity and brought up LaHair, who is ripping it up in Des Moines, to see what he can do. If all else fails you resign Pena in the off season. The same thing goes for Ramirez, he is obviously motivated to put up big numbers since this is his contract year. Get what you can for him now and you can always go back after him in the off season. If you can get anybody to take Soriano off your hands and pay part of his salary then you drop him like a hot potato.

The Cubs have a perfect opportunity to try out some younger players in the minors and they are ******* it away because Hendry is trying to save his job.
 
ssckelley said:
I think Hendry should be fired for not dumping more of these veteran players to beef up the farm system. He has to much pride to admit that this team he put together is bad and thinks this team can win next year. This team is horrible and could use some good prospects to turn it back around. There was interest in Pena and he should have jumped on the opportunity and brought up LaHair, who is ripping it up in Des Moines, to see what he can do. If all else fails you resign Pena in the off season. The same thing goes for Ramirez, he is obviously motivated to put up big numbers since this is his contract year. Get what you can for him now and you can always go back after him in the off season. If you can get anybody to take Soriano off your hands and pay part of his salary then you drop him like a hot potato.

The Cubs have a perfect opportunity to try out some younger players in the minors and they are ******* it away because Hendry is trying to save his job.
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The problem is the Cubs were going to get jack squat as far as MLB ready prospects for those players. Ramirez wasn't going to take a trade anyway so that doesn't matter. The thing to me is if you look at the cubs farm system, it is bare already. Jackson is the only prospect in the top 50 of the whole league and he's not quite ready for the bigs. The cubs don't have the system built up yet, but they don't have a guy (Jiminez, Lee, Sabathia, like those in the past) they can trade for top teir prospects.
 
hawkfarmer said:
The problem is the Cubs were going to get jack squat as far as MLB ready prospects for those players. Ramirez wasn't going to take a trade anyway so that doesn't matter. The thing to me is if you look at the cubs farm system, it is bare already. Jackson is the only prospect in the top 50 of the whole league and he's not quite ready for the bigs. The cubs don't have the system built up yet, but they don't have a guy (Jiminez, Lee, Sabathia, like those in the past) they can trade for top teir prospects.
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I do not want to see our young prospects rushed but there are players in their prime at Des Moines that should be brought up to see if they offer any value to the team.

Bryan LaHair - Power hitting firstbaseman that bats left handed. He is killing the ball in Des Moines with a 1.053 OPS. I could care less what you get for Pena, let this guy play in the bigs for the rest of the year and see if he can produce at the big league level. He is going to be 29 years old, let's see what he's got.

Brad Snyder - I have had enough of Soriano and his streakiness for the year. This guy is another lefthanded power hitter that is 29 years old. Let's see if this guy can hit at the major league level. I know he is not any worse defensively than Soriano, and that does not take much.

Scott Moore - Yet another lefthanded powerhitter who plays third base. If Ramirez refuses to waive his no trade clause then sit his *** on the bench so he can stop bloating his numbers for the off season free agency. Flaherty, hopefully, will develop and take over this position but Moore could be a filler until he is ready.

The Cubs season is a waste and so is the I Cubs, get these players up here and let them play for the rest of the year and see what they can do. Perhaps you catch lightening in a bottle and find someone that can contribute next year at the big league level. I really could care less what they get in return for Soriano, Pena, or Ramirez but anybody you get is better than nothing.
 
As much as I love seeing young guys get their shot, I don't have a good feeling about any of those older guys you just mentioned. The reason they're not there is because someone better than them is there. I think if anyone offered to take soriano for a ball boy the cubs would jump on it, there's just not the interest. I'm not sure why Pena couldn't move, but I agree I would love to see some of the young guys get a shot, but you can't give everything away.
 
ssckelley said:
I do not want to see our young prospects rushed but there are players in their prime at Des Moines that should be brought up to see if they offer any value to the team.

Bryan LaHair - Power hitting firstbaseman that bats left handed. He is killing the ball in Des Moines with a 1.053 OPS. I could care less what you get for Pena, let this guy play in the bigs for the rest of the year and see if he can produce at the big league level. He is going to be 29 years old, let's see what he's got.

Brad Snyder - I have had enough of Soriano and his streakiness for the year. This guy is another lefthanded power hitter that is 29 years old. Let's see if this guy can hit at the major league level. I know he is not any worse defensively than Soriano, and that does not take much.

Scott Moore - Yet another lefthanded powerhitter who plays third base. If Ramirez refuses to waive his no trade clause then sit his *** on the bench so he can stop bloating his numbers for the off season free agency. Flaherty, hopefully, will develop and take over this position but Moore could be a filler until he is ready.

The Cubs season is a waste and so is the I Cubs, get these players up here and let them play for the rest of the year and see what they can do. Perhaps you catch lightening in a bottle and find someone that can contribute next year at the big league level. I really could care less what they get in return for Soriano, Pena, or Ramirez but anybody you get is better than nothing.
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There is a reason you are 29 and still in AAA. You just mentioned a bunch of AAAA ball players there.

I fail to see why people get down on Rami. He's produced well this season and he's going to exercise his option for next year. He isn't going anywhere.
 
DuffMan said:
There is a reason you are 29 and still in AAA. You just mentioned a bunch of AAAA ball players there.

I fail to see why people get down on Rami. He's produced well this season and he's going to exercise his option for next year. He isn't going anywhere.
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Ramirez, who initially joined the Cubs midway through the 2003 season in a trade with the Pirates, had opted out of the final two seasons of a $42 million, four-year contract and filed for free agency on Oct. 30. His new deal contains a mutual option for 2012.

I believe it is a mutual option meaning if the cubs opt out the give hima 2 million relocation bonus, but if they both say yes he stays for 16 mil.
Ramirez agrees to $42 million contract - MLB - ESPN
 
hawkfarmer said:
Ramirez, who initially joined the Cubs midway through the 2003 season in a trade with the Pirates, had opted out of the final two seasons of a $42 million, four-year contract and filed for free agency on Oct. 30. His new deal contains a mutual option for 2012.

I believe it is a mutual option meaning if the cubs opt out the give hima 2 million relocation bonus, but if they both say yes he stays for 16 mil.
Ramirez agrees to $42 million contract - MLB - ESPN
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16 million isn't a bad price for a guy who's gonna put up .290, 25-30 and 90-100. The only way it makes sense to cut him lose is if you are going to dump all kinds of salary and give up on next year already, which is something the fans wouldn't let them do. The 3b FA market isn't exactly loaded next year, and realistically the Cub's aren't in a position to make a run anyway. If nothing else he's going to be re-signed to keep butts in the seats.
 
DuffMan said:
16 million isn't a bad price for a guy who's gonna put up .290, 25-30 and 90-100. The only way it makes sense to cut him lose is if you are going to dump all kinds of salary and give up on next year already, which is something the fans wouldn't let them do. The 3b FA market isn't exactly loaded next year, and realistically the Cub's aren't in a position to make a run anyway. If nothing else he's going to be re-signed to keep butts in the seats.
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I don't disagree. I think he's teh best available option unless they can muster a trade, but who are they going to get that won't be as expensive as Ramirez. I think they give him anotehr year or 2 to see how vitters works out.
 
DuffMan said:
If nothing else he's going to be re-signed to keep butts in the seats.
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I dont think there anybody that flocks to Wrigley just to watch Aramis Ramirez. Whether or not he is back next year would not have impacted ticket sales at all.
 
Section136 said:
I dont think there anybody that flocks to Wrigley just to watch Aramis Ramirez. Whether or not he is back next year would not have impacted ticket sales at all.
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I'm not saying he's selling hundreds of thousands of seats. I'm saying if they don't re-sign him and run out some 30 year old rookie from AAA and a bunch of his buddies they will see it at the turnstyles.
 
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